White Culture

[Hellfire]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:08 PM, MalcolmB said:

I would put forward that nearly all major contributions to mankind have come from white men. 
credit where credit due Freddy. 
 

Fine to be friendly with women and people from other races. They have overall benefitted from our inventions, electricity, planes, trains and automobiles etc and advances in modern medicine that has increased life expectancy for all.

 

Unfortunately jealousy rears its ugly head and we don’t get the credits and accolades we deserve. 
 

A big Thankyou to the white men and all you have done for us. 
 

 

"Our inventions"...  I imagine a sore loser, consuming another glass of beer at 10AM at some dirty Pattaya bar and writing this. Hahaha.  Do I respect Henry Ford? Surely I do. Should I equally respect some alcoholic with pedophile tendencies just because he supposedly belongs to the same race as H. Ford? I don't think so.

 

 

Edited September 30 by Hellfire

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Exactly.  That isn't what you are talking about.  Dominant as in it is favoured and followed more than any other single culture is.  E.g.  "Dominant opinion" means the opinion that most people have, not an opinion that can beat up other opinions...

 

I'm not sure why you're trying to conflate something being physically strong.  You're not really making any sense.  🤷‍♂️

 

Let me explain this way, the American culture is the most dominant today in soft culture. Do you think this would be the case if the US had not won WWII?

 

Clearly it would not be the case. The reason why the American culture today is dominant is not because Megan Thee Stallion is superior to Richard Strauss, but because for political, military and economic reason the US ascended to this position of cultural dominance. 

 

It is not a result of the culture itself, but of brute force, do you see what I'm saying?

[Inderpland]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I think he forgets that we're not actually talking about the physical toughness of a culture.  One culture doesn't beat up another culture to become dominant.

I'm not sure he's got a clue what the heck we're talking about.

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

 

The Thais you see who don't want to be like drunken expats do actually copy their clothes, their education system, their architecture, and a lot of them would like to have their democracy.

 

   All those are quite universal these days and not American culture , clothes are clothes and they are all pretty much the same the World over , along with buildings and education and food 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Let me explain this way, the American culture is the most dominant today in soft culture. Do you think this would be the case if the US had not won WWII?

 

   Stop right there .

The USA did not win WW2 .

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I think he forgets that we're not actually talking about the physical toughness of a culture.  One culture doesn't beat up another culture to become dominant.

 

No, I think you forget, or rather don't realise, that the soft cultural power you have in mind is a by product of the West having beaten the rest of the world on the head with a big hammer for the last few hundreds of years.

 

It is NOT a result of the superiority of the culture itself, but rather a result of centuries of war, annihilation, genocide, purposeful starvation and similar events.

[Cameroni]

25 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

That isn't what is being discussed.  We're talking about the strength of a culture.  That doesn't require any force, now.

 

That's obviously wrong. In the case of the West, it did and still does.

 

The global appeal of US culture is unthinkable without the US having emerged victorious from WWII, or having won the Philippines war, or still being ready to send naval forces into the South China Sea to asssit the Philippines.

 

In the case of the West, soft culture appeal and military strength are linked.

 

[Cameroni]

13 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think one of the problems you get when talking about "White/Western culture", is that it is so dominant that people don't even notice it.  It's basically just become "normal".  So people wear Western clothes, use Western inventions, speak Western words, eat Western food, live in Western houses, but they think this is just "normal".  Then say that there is no Western culture.

 

It's more American culture that has become dominant, American clothes, American inventions, American food, the rest of the West not so much.

 

And again, the reason that is the case is very much linked with military, political and economic reasons that led to this being the case, it was not the result of a "superior" culture forcing itself to the fore. Rather it was an accident of fate, the fantastic size of the USA, its resources, and immigration, then the events leading to WWII, these are the real reasons Western culture is so widespread.

 

Not a cultural superiority inherent in the culture itself.

[BangkokReady]

25 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Let me explain this way, the American culture is the most dominant today in soft culture. Do you think this would be the case if the US had not won WWII?

 

WWII involved a lot of White countries.  Also, American culture isn't as dominant as Western culture.

[BangkokReady]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

All those are quite universal these days and not American culture , clothes are clothes and they are all pretty much the same the World over , along with buildings and education and food 

 

Who's talking about American culture?  Maybe re-read the thread. 

 

They're universal, but they are still largely based on Western culture.  You can't just say, "Oh, they might have come from Western culture, but everyone has them now, so they aren't Western culture anymore".

 

What you're basically picking up on, is the fact that Western culture is so dominant, that people don't even realise it's Western culture.  It still is, though.

Edited September 30 by BangkokReady

[BangkokReady]

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

That's obviously wrong. In the case of the West, it did and still does.

 

It doesn't.  People want to follow Western culture.  It doesn't need to be forced on anyone.  In fact, in many cases, non-Western governments have to fight their own people in order to prevent them from embracing and living a Western cultural lifestyle.

[BangkokReady]

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's more American culture that has become dominant, American clothes, American inventions, American food, the rest of the West not so much.

 

No.  1, American culture is Western culture.  2, American culture isn't specifically dominant.

[BangkokReady]

28 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I think, clearly what is required, is to define more precisely what the term "dominant culture"

 

Just the normal definition is fine.

[BangkokReady]

29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, I think you forget, or rather don't realise, that the soft cultural power you have in mind is a by product of the West having beaten the rest of the world on the head with a big hammer for the last few hundreds of years.

 

Not really.  It might have been around longer or appeared in more places because of this, but when someone sees Western culture and wants to live in that way, there is no coercion involved, they simply like that culture.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Who's talking about American culture?  Maybe re-read the thread. 

 

They're universal, but they are still largely based on Western culture.  You can't just say, "Oh, they might have come from Western culture, but everyone has them now, so they aren't Western culture anymore".

 

What you're basically picking up on, is the fact that Western culture is so dominant, that people don't even realise it's Western culture.  It still is, though.

 

   What exactly are we talking about when we say "culture" ?

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, Hellfire said:

"Our inventions"...  I imagine a sore loser, consuming another glass of beer at 10AM at some dirty Pattaya bar and writing this. Hahaha.  Do I respect Henry Ford? Surely I do. Should I equally respect some alcoholic with pedophile tendencies just because he supposedly belongs to the same race as H. Ford? I don't think so.

 

 

What has it got to do with pedophiles? 

And there is nothing wrong with beer either. Another great invention by white man.

Refrigeration.

 

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Not really.  It might have been around longer or appeared in more places because of this, but when someone sees Western culture and wants to live in that way, there is no coercion involved, they simply like that culture.

 

There was coercion involved prior to Ahmed deciding he wants to become a rapper and wear a baseball cap, even if Ahmed doesn't realise it. So yes, whilst Ahmed is not coerced himself in his desire to become a rapper, the fact that US popular music has attained the ever present status it has in the world is linked to US music being the music of the victor of WWII, the economic ascendancy of America due to the self-destruction of Europe in WWII. These are the conditions which led to US Music thriving in the world. History is still with us today.

 

If Mongolia had become the dominant power after WWII  and its economy had become the most powerful in the world, Ahmed woud most likely want to wear a Mongolian sheep herders hat and want to be a Mongolian throat singer.

 

There is nothing inherent in US culture that makes it superior to Chinese, Japanese, Thai, German or Russian culture. An American baseball hat is not better than a North German seafarer hat, US popular music is not better than Chinese popular music. It just happened that way for a variety of reasons.

 

 

Edited September 30 by Cameroni

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Just the normal definition is fine.

 

No, sorry, but culture is a very wide net to cast, what aspect of culture do you see the West being dominant in?

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

No.  1, American culture is Western culture.  2, American culture isn't specifically dominant.

 

American culture is indeed largely Western culture. However, American culture is the dominant Western culture. It is American music, dress and fast food that dominates the world, not any other. You can say Beatles this, Elton John that, but they sang with an American accent and pretended to be Americans.

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

WWII involved a lot of White countries.  Also, American culture isn't as dominant as Western culture.

 

American culture is the dominant Western culture. There is no other Western culture that dominates the world in terms of academia, pop music, fast food, popular dress and so on, to the extent American culture does.

Edited September 30 by Cameroni

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

American culture is the dominant Western culture. There is no other Western culture that dominates the world in terms of academia, pop music, fast food, popular dress and so on, to the extent American culture does.

How do you measure that? 

 

When you put it that way, America is world champions in American Football to, so

[Lacessit]

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How do you measure that? 

 

When you put it that way, America is world champions in American Football to, so

One of the most tedious and boring forms of football ever invented.

[Cameroni]

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How do you measure that? 

 

When you put it that way, America is world champions in American Football to, so

 

Well, in terms of music it's self-evident, American music dominates. Even if English, Thai or Japanese acts are in the charts they're pretending to be American, like that Australian Iggy Azalea.

 

In terms of food, the hamburger is the most successful food in the world. You can say it was really German, but it ascended to that position as an American fast food from American chains.

 

In fashion it's the American version of sneakers that predominates, jeans, baseball caps, etc.

 

In Academia it's American universities getting most prizes

 

In films, well, I rest my case.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I'm pretty fly for a white guy 

[Cameroni]

Just now, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I'm pretty fly for a white guy 

 

Great song.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, in terms of music it's self-evident, American music dominates. Even if English, Thai or Japanese acts are in the charts they're pretending to be American, like that Australian Iggy Azalea.

 

In terms of food, the hamburger is the most successful food in the world. You can say it was really German, but it ascended to that position as an American fast food from American chains.

 

In fashion it's the American version of sneakers that predominates, jeans, baseball caps, etc.

 

In Academia it's American universities getting most prizes

 

In films, well, I rest my case.

It seems cor Americans, there is no world outside Usa.

 

Pizza, Pasta, Nudes?

Asian movies? Bollywood compare to Hollywood?

 

I rest my case, 

[Captain Monday]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:43 PM, novacova said:

White folks are more diverse..

This is the stupidest racial meme ever

posted on AN. 

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It seems cor Americans, there is no world outside Usa.

 

Pizza, Pasta, Nudes?

Asian movies? Bollywood compare to Hollywood?

 

I rest my case, 

 

Bollywood? That's like saying "rice" is the most popular food in the world, obviously the point here is internationally not for one particular group. Internationally the Hamburger is the most popular dish in the world, 

 

If you look at this list, 8 of the top 10 fast food chains are American. And we see them all over the world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_fast_food_restaurant_chains

 

Most people watch Hollywood films, Indian films have a big audience, but not as internationally diverse as Hollywood.

[Caldera]

It was nice while it lasted. 

[Flyguy330]

OK, this is my first post on this thread. I hadn't ther time to read through it before.

There has been a lot of comment about Thai's believing in their 'superiority' - though the notion has been declared inexplicable and wrong.

I think I can explain it.

I've often read and been reminded that Thailand is the only Asian nation that has never been defeated and colonised, and whose culture and monarchy has been preserved through thick and thin over the centuries. I guess that counts for something, and makes Thais feel justified in feeling superior relative to those other local nations.

I think that makes some sense.