So the U.S. elected an autocrat -- what to expect next from a Hungarian perspective

[save the frogs]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Wasn't a landslide. Stop lying. In fact it was among the closest elections in US history. 

 

That's exactly the problem.

No matter which side wins, half the country is angry. 

 

Here, I'll teach you a secret. Xi in China is there for life, right? Is that a "dictatorship"?

You can put whatever name you want on it.

But in some ways it's a good thing because it sometimes takes 40-50 years to make massive changes to a country.

You can't do much in 4 years. 

 

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Hummin,

Is it my imagination or are you becoming an angrier person?

Coincides with you leaving Thailand?

Maybe you need some Thai beaches, man. 

 

I become angrier 😁

 

I have never been happier in my life, and quite steady going for 8 years or more. Been my absolutely best time, and if you recall, I left at once I felt I had enough, and I came back when I felt for it. Im privileged to do what I want when I want, so not necessary to make world politics personal. By the way, we will hit the beaches next month, for a month as usual 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

That's exactly the problem.

No matter which side wins, half the country is angry. 

 

Here, I'll teach you a secret. Xi in China is there for life, right? Is that a "dictatorship"?

You can put whatever name you want on it.

But in some ways it's a good thing because it sometimes takes 40-50 years to make massive changes to a country.

You can't do much in 4 years. 

 

Yes XI is a dictator.

Thank you for coming out about which side you're on about the global democracy vs. autocracy debate.

[Jingthing]

Maga-Trump and Orban.

Joined at the hip.

 

"...lead with culture wars and end up with DICTATORSHIP."

 

 

[save the frogs]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes XI is a dictator.

Thank you for coming out about which side you're on about the global democracy vs. autocracy debate.

 

He improved the standard of living of hordes of people over the past few decades.

You need to stop obsessing over labels and terminology. 

 

[save the frogs]

Haha, Orban. Never heard of him. 

I country. He went to the same grammar school as Bob.

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

He improved the standard of living of hordes of people over the past few decades.

You need to stop obsessing over labels and terminology. 

 

Don't tell me what I need. 

[blaze master]

Jan 2029 cannot come soon enough. The final nail in the coffin to this kind of hysteria.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Jan 2029 cannot come soon enough. The final nail in the coffin to this kind of hysteria.

So to you noticing and being concerned about the USA going in the direction of autocracy  (which is an objective FACT) is hysterical. 

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So to you noticing and being concerned about the USA going in the direction of autocracy  (which is an objective FACT) is hysterical. 

 

As I am not allowed to make personal attacks I'll leave it there.

 

Stop telling me what I believe or am noticing. I said nothing of the sort. You are expressing your opinion and presenting things as fact. 

 

People can't take you seriously anymore but you keep raging on. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

As I am not allowed to make personal attacks I'll leave it there.

 

Stop telling me what I believe or am noticing. I said nothing of the sort. You are expressing your opinion and presenting things as fact. 

 

People can't take you seriously anymore but you keep raging on. 

 

 

Yet you did make a personal attack. Contradicted yourself in the same post. Impressive.

[swissie]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The Trump / Maga autocratic (anti-democratic) movement is modeled after the success of Orban of Hungary to destroy democracy there. So now that the U.S. voters have done what they have done, it's wise to not only learn from history in a general sense, but more specifically to learn from recent Hungarian history.

 

I Watched Orbán Destroy Hungary’s Democracy. Here’s My Advice for the Trump Era. - POLITICO

 

Many believed that after his first term as president, Donald Trump would end up in the dustbin of history. Now Trump is back, and the United States is about to be ruled for the second time by a right-wing populist.

 

Trump’s goal this time is to remake the American government to enhance his power. He isn’t the first modern right-wing populist to attempt this — he is following a playbook pioneered by Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament and have been researching populism since. I’ve learned a few things along the way that might help Trump’s opponents understand how he won and how they can fight back.

One very interesting quote by the OP has been overlooked by posters:

" I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament".

Is JT a "dual-citizen"? Possibly able to be a member of the Hungarian parliament and becoming a member of congress in the US as well (theoretically)?

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yet you did make a personal attack. Contradicted yourself in the same post. Impressive.

 

No I didn't. Stop it. 

[connda]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I've quoted you @connda because this is very worthy of being repeated. 

Thanks!  I was waiting for someone to call me names and hurl slurs.  That's usually what comes next from these folks considering they seem to be incapable of actual analytical thinking no less the ability to debate issues.  If they don't like you! 

"You're HITLER." 
Oh well, I grew up in the era of "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me."  That was back when people graduated from high school with better than a six grade education. Things have gone downhill since then I'm afraid. 

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, swissie said:

One very interesting quote by the OP has been overlooked by posters:

" I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament".

Is JT a "dual-citizen"? Possibly able to be a member of the Hungarian parliament and becoming a member of congress in the US as well (theoretically)?

I assume you are playing but that is part of the quote from the author of the linked article. I have visited Hungary as a tourist but that's all. I could tell the story of the venison goulash with the tainted meat and the subsequent 3 a.m. violent vomiting session but that would be superfluous (paprika covers up a lot of sins).

[GammaGlobulin]

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

No, that's only what is presented in the daily rags.

But behind the scenes, it doesn't work that way.

 

Not sure why they do that. Maybe they don't have much respect for the average voter so they just feed them bread and circuses.

 

Again, I'm not sure any average person knows what Trump will do or what Harris would have done. 

But keep arguing if it makes you feel better. 

 

Also, if you put a gun to most people's heads, they wouldn't know where to begin on how to run a country. 

 

 

Trump is not an autocrat.

However, what I will tell you is that Trump, during the next four years, will become the second-greatest president of the last 200 years, behind Lincoln, only.  Trump will be even greater than Roosevelt, both of them.

 

I am looking forward to the next 4 years, as I never have before.

I feel as if a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders, now that Trump is headed for the WH, and not Harris.

 

We need a visionary of Trump's stature at this particular point in America's history.

Hopefully, Trump's administration will be a model for other countries, and especially the UK, to follow.

 

For sure, Trump will be better than that bad actor, Reagan.

 

So, maybe best to just relax, now, and let Trump take over.

Why should we worry when Trump is so willing to do the heavy lifting, anyway?

I am not worried.

I am trying to see things from a more science-based perspective.

 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Trump is not an autocrat.

However, what I will tell you is that Trump, during the next four years, will become the second-greatest president of the last 200 years, behind Lincoln, only.  Trump will be even greater than Roosevelt, both of them.

 

I am looking forward to the next 4 years, as I never have before.

I feel as if a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders, now that Trump is headed for the WH, and not Harris.

 

We need a visionary of Trump's stature at this particular point in America's history.

Hopefully, Trump's administration will be a model for other countries, and especially the UK, to follow.

 

For sure, Trump will be better than that bad actor, Reagan.

 

So, maybe best to just relax, now, and let Trump take over.

Why should we worry when Trump is so willing to do the heavy lifting, anyway?

I am not worried.

I am trying to see things from a more science-based perspective.

 

Full marks for SATIRE!

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Full marks for SATIRE!

 

Please recall...

I told you that Trump would win the popular vote...

He did.

 

My political acumen and my conclusions are not to be questioned, or question at one's peril.

 

[still kicking]

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Trump is not an autocrat.

However, what I will tell you is that Trump, during the next four years, will become the second-greatest president of the last 200 years, behind Lincoln, only.  Trump will be even greater than Roosevelt, both of them.

 

I am looking forward to the next 4 years, as I never have before.

I feel as if a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders, now that Trump is headed for the WH, and not Harris.

 

We need a visionary of Trump's stature at this particular point in America's history.

Hopefully, Trump's administration will be a model for other countries, and especially the UK, to follow.

 

For sure, Trump will be better than that bad actor, Reagan.

 

So, maybe best to just relax, now, and let Trump take over.

Why should we worry when Trump is so willing to do the heavy lifting, anyway?

I am not worried.

I am trying to see things from a more science-based perspective.

 

Are you pissed again?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Please recall...

I told you that Trump would win the popular vote...

He did.

 

My political acumen and my conclusions are not to be questioned, or question at one's peril.

 

No worries. I do appreciate your satirical voice. I may be the only one. 

[save the frogs]

26 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Please recall...

I told you that Trump would win the popular vote...

He did.

 

My political acumen and my conclusions are not to be questioned, or question at one's peril.

 

 

You are perhaps the last remaining voice of reason on AN, Gamma.

 

[RetiredNavy71]

20 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

It's the denial of the existence of left-wing authoritarianism that has caused the Leftists to get their knickers in an almighty twist. They are in absolute denial that left-wing authoritarianism is a "thing", despite the overwhelming historical evidence.

 

They also fail to realize that right-wingers absolutely detest pervasive authority of any kind. Leftists require rules and authority to govern their lives, because they are incapable of successfully managing their lives - indeed they are incapable of managing their own emotions, as is self-evident.

 

Ironically, it is the right-wingers detest for authority that would prevent any authoritarian government from going too far. The latest election proves it. Oh wait...authoritarianism can't exist on the left. A circular conundrum.

 

Sic semper tyrannisc. 

 

Edit: Some reading material for the OP. 0% chance it will be read, but...

 

How Experts Overlooked Left-Wing Authoritarianism - The Atlantic

It seems that your below average intelligence has placed you in a dystopian funk.  My next question to you is what are you planning to do about it? 

[NedR69]

Another <deleted> foreigner concerned about US elections and politics.    Maybe time for you to worry more about the <deleted>-hole you're from.

[Thingamabob]

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The Trump / Maga autocratic (anti-democratic) movement is modeled after the success of Orban of Hungary to destroy democracy there. So now that the U.S. voters have done what they have done, it's wise to not only learn from history in a general sense, but more specifically to learn from recent Hungarian history.

 

I Watched Orbán Destroy Hungary’s Democracy. Here’s My Advice for the Trump Era. - POLITICO

 

Many believed that after his first term as president, Donald Trump would end up in the dustbin of history. Now Trump is back, and the United States is about to be ruled for the second time by a right-wing populist.

 

Trump’s goal this time is to remake the American government to enhance his power. He isn’t the first modern right-wing populist to attempt this — he is following a playbook pioneered by Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament and have been researching populism since. I’ve learned a few things along the way that might help Trump’s opponents understand how he won and how they can fight back.

Trump's first term was no worse than most others, and better than many. I doubt that you have the inside knowledge, to which you lay claim, on what his second term will be like. Let's wait and see how things go before passing judgement.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Trump's first term was no worse than most others, and better than many. I doubt that you have the inside knowledge, to which you lay claim, on what his second term will be like. Let's wait and see how things go before passing judgement.

Over nearly twelve years, Trump tweeted around 57,000 times, including about 8,000 times during the 2016 election campaign and over 25,000 times during his presidency. The White House said the tweets should be considered official statements.

 

Trump visited a Trump Organization property on 428 (nearly one in three) of the 1,461 days of his presidency and is estimated to have played 261 rounds of golf, one every 5.6 days which might have cost the tax payers 340 million dollars. Quite funny since he bashed Obama for playing to much golf

 

 

[Red Forever]

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. The autocracy is a real threat but equally worrying is the appointment of RFK the antivax loon to the Health Department.

Related to this subject, I note that the MAGA far right posters have become increasingly aggressive and abusive towards anyone with opinions other than theirs.

Hey MAGA. You won (by the slimmest margin in 140 years) so get over it!

[Red Forever]

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. The autocracy is a real threat but equally worrying is the appointment of RFK the antivax loon to the Health Department.

Related to this subject, I note that the MAGA far right posters have become increasingly aggressive and abusive towards anyone with opinions other than theirs.

Hey MAGA. You won (by the slimmest margin in 140 years) so get over it!

[howlee101]

22 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

It's the denial of the existence of left-wing authoritarianism that has caused the Leftists to get their knickers in an almighty twist. They are in absolute denial that left-wing authoritarianism is a "thing", despite the overwhelming historical evidence.

 

They also fail to realize that right-wingers absolutely detest pervasive authority of any kind. Leftists require rules and authority to govern their lives, because they are incapable of successfully managing their lives - indeed they are incapable of managing their own emotions, as is self-evident.

 

Ironically, it is the right-wingers detest for authority that would prevent any authoritarian government from going too far. The latest election proves it. Oh wait...authoritarianism can't exist on the left. A circular conundrum.

 

Sic semper tyrannisc. 

 

Edit: Some reading material for the OP. 0% chance it will be read, but...

 

How Experts Overlooked Left-Wing Authoritarianism - The Atlantic

Well said 👍

[Thingamabob]

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Over nearly twelve years, Trump tweeted around 57,000 times, including about 8,000 times during the 2016 election campaign and over 25,000 times during his presidency. The White House said the tweets should be considered official statements.

 

Trump visited a Trump Organization property on 428 (nearly one in three) of the 1,461 days of his presidency and is estimated to have played 261 rounds of golf, one every 5.6 days which might have cost the tax payers 340 million dollars. Quite funny since he bashed Obama for playing to much golf

 

 

.....and your point is ?

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

.....and your point is ?

good question, and a question you should ask your coming president, if he is mature enough to take the responsibility, but I know asking Magas about that (or a few members here), is like blasphemy