1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

What is the civilian to combatant kill ratio, and how does it compare to other examples of urban warfare? I understand it is very good. 

 

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead verified by UN are women and children.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

5 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead verified by UN are women and children.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

Prime example of not checking the actual data source, bit like Amnesty's attempt.

 

Media claimed Gaza faced “imminent famine” and 70% of casualties were women and children. Here’s the catch: no famine, just speculation. And those casualty stats? Based on a tiny, skewed sample. Bad journalism or bias?

https://honestreporting.com/media-spread-baseless-gaza-famine-casualty-reports-despite-debunking-evidence/

 

 

10 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead verified by UN are women and children.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

The question was civilian to combatant ratio, not the number of "women and children". Many of the combatants are women and "children".

 

Even assuming the 70% is correct, it's much better than the 77% in Iraq.

Breaking News from Israeli Leading News Paper - 

Netanyahu's Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza Is on Display for All to See

Haaretz -

The Israeli military is conducting an ethnic cleansing operation in the northern Gaza Strip. https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-11-10/ty-article-opinion/netanyahus-ethnic-cleansing-is-on-display-for-all-to-see/00000193-12ac-d3a2-a3d7-5bed1d8d0000

Note: Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper. It was founded in 1918, making it the longest running newspaper currently in print in Israel. 

 

3 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Breaking News from Israeli Leading News Paper - 

Netanyahu's Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza Is on Display for All to See

Haaretz -

The Israeli military is conducting an ethnic cleansing operation in the northern Gaza Strip. https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-11-10/ty-article-opinion/netanyahus-ethnic-cleansing-is-on-display-for-all-to-see/00000193-12ac-d3a2-a3d7-5bed1d8d0000

Note: Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper. It was founded in 1918, making it the longest running newspaper currently in print in Israel. 

 

An opinion piece by a little read (4.8%) source in Israel. 

 

More baseless accusations

An off topic post making multiple unattributed claims as well as attempting to make comparisons to WW11 and Vietnam has been removed.

59 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

An opinion piece by a little read (4.8%) source in Israel. 

 

More baseless accusations

Attacking the messenger Bkk Brian. The oldest most prestigious newspaper in Israeli which was recently cut off from government sources in retaliation for reporting facts rather than only IOF propaganda. The publisher even had the guts to correctly label the Palestinian resistance as "freedom fighters"

2 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Attacking the messenger Bkk Brian. The oldest most prestigious newspaper in Israeli which was recently cut off from government sources in retaliation for reporting facts rather than only IOF propaganda. The publisher even had the guts to correctly label the Palestinian resistance as "freedom fighters"

No but I was addressing your lies that it is

 

"Breaking News from Israeli Leading News Paper - "

 

To claim Hamas are freedom fighters says all there is to say about the publisher and you.

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No but I was addressing your lies that it is

 

"Breaking News from Israeli Leading News Paper - "

 

To claim Hamas are freedom fighters says all there is to say about the publisher and you.

Thank you for confirming what I asked. Yes, attacking the messenger and the Haaretz publisher.  You work for IDF?🙏🏼👍

8 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Thank you for confirming what I asked. Yes, attacking the messenger and the Haaretz publisher.  You work for IDF?🙏🏼👍

You're welcome, more than happy to attack those who call the Hamas terrorists "Freedom Fighters" 

 

I see your also down to trolling asking if I work for the IDF. If I did I would be busy sorting out those terrorists.

33 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Thank you for confirming what I asked. Yes, attacking the messenger and the Haaretz publisher.  You work for IDF?🙏🏼👍

   

    Your last six posts on the subject have all been quoting someone else .Haaretz .Amnesty International , The Oxford Union  , You tubers 

Reminds me of that widely anti semitic UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese.

 

Agnes Callamard is the Secretary General, Amnesty International trying to defend her baseless report. Has a hysterical interview with Sky News, he can't get a word in! 

 

 

 

Amnesty allegations but zilch evidence. 

 

For Amnesty, Any Israeli Defense Is “Genocide”

Amnesty’s 6-page, 2,500 word embargoed press release – obtained by NGO Monitor – highlights the absence of substance and the dominance of slogans and myths. Following previous practice, the press release declares Israel to be guilty of genocide, regardless of the reality in Gaza. This basic paradigm is evidenced by Amnesty’s highly selective use of “evidence,” including fundamental omission of facts that do not support its political line, and the blatantly manipulative discussion of civilian casualties.

https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/amnestys-genocide-inversion/

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

Amnesty allegations but zilch evidence. 

 

For Amnesty, Any Israeli Defense Is “Genocide”

Amnesty’s 6-page, 2,500 word embargoed press release – obtained by NGO Monitor – highlights the absence of substance and the dominance of slogans and myths. Following previous practice, the press release declares Israel to be guilty of genocide, regardless of the reality in Gaza. This basic paradigm is evidenced by Amnesty’s highly selective use of “evidence,” including fundamental omission of facts that do not support its political line, and the blatantly manipulative discussion of civilian casualties.

https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/amnestys-genocide-inversion/

An Israeli organisation. Amnesty on the other hand is independent.

19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

An Israeli organisation. Amnesty on the other hand is independent.

interesting. Can you explain why that would make a difference to facts? I have read your posts on this thread so I am not holding out much hope on that. 

 

You said you read the report. Did you get as far as page 101? 

 

They "literally redefined the legal term of genocide to suit their accusation, stripping the term of its actual meaning in the process. The craziest part? They admit this in their report , correctly assuming that most people won't read all the way to p. 101:"

The great Murray telling it like it is:

 

"The people claiming that Israel is committing a genocide are the same people who want to commit a genocide."

This is a must-listen and a must-watch.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The great Murray telling it like it is:

 

"The people claiming that Israel is committing a genocide are the same people who want to commit a genocide."

This is a must-listen and a must-watch.

 

 

 

He is Great, isn't he? 

5 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Reminds me of that widely anti semitic UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese.

 

Agnes Callamard is the Secretary General, Amnesty International trying to defend her baseless report. Has a hysterical interview with Sky News, he can't get a word in! 

 

 

 

Thanks for bringing up Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur, Genocide Expert. Let's hear what she actually has to say rather than only your personal opinion smear against her.

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Thanks for bringing up Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur, Genocide Expert. Let's hear what she actually has to say rather than only your personal opinion smear against her.

 

 

 

It's not a personal opinion but a fact on what she is. However your claim that she is a genocide expert is false and a lie.

 

U.S. Officials Chide ‘Antisemitism’ of UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese

The Biden administration issued a fresh rebuke of Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur “on the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967” on October 29, ahead of her arrival in New York as part of nationwide speaking tour. U.S. Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield maintained that Albanese is “unfit for her role” and that “the United Nations should not tolerate antisemitism from a UN-affiliated official hired to promote human rights.”

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/11/01/u-s-officials-chide-antisemitism-of-un-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/

17 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

It's not a personal opinion but a fact on what she is. However your claim that she is a genocide expert is false and a lie.

 

U.S. Officials Chide ‘Antisemitism’ of UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese

The Biden administration issued a fresh rebuke of Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur “on the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967” on October 29, ahead of her arrival in New York as part of nationwide speaking tour. U.S. Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield maintained that Albanese is “unfit for her role” and that “the United Nations should not tolerate antisemitism from a UN-affiliated official hired to promote human rights.”

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/11/01/u-s-officials-chide-antisemitism-of-un-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/

The one country protecting Israel is the US. Their opinion on someone is biased and doesn't count for more than anyone else's opinion. 

Except of course they wield their power to protect Israel.

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The one country protecting Israel is the US. Their opinion on someone is biased and doesn't count for more than anyone else's opinion. 

Except of course they wield their power to protect Israel.

 

   Israel is protecting Israel .

Bidens USA have done very little to help and protect Israel 

26 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The one country protecting Israel is the US. Their opinion on someone is biased and doesn't count for more than anyone else's opinion. 

Except of course they wield their power to protect Israel.

I have yet to see you come up with any facts. All you do is post with unsubstantiated false claims, then disappear when asked to back them up. My post was about Francesca Albanese and no it's not just the US rebuking her pure anti semitism and support of Hamas

 

Why Germany & France Condemned UN’s Francesca Albanese for ‘Disgraceful’ Antisemitism

https://unwatch.org/germany-france-condemn-uns-francesca-albanese-for-disgraceful-antisemitism/

4 minutes ago, SomNaNa555 said:

Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity, and even if it were there's no justification for ethnically cleansing one group of people to make a ethnostate for another group.  

 

  Muslims attempted to ethnically cleanse Jews from Israel on Oct 7 th .

The Palestinian ethnic cleansers and war criminals are being bought to justice for their atrocities and crimes against humanity 

On 12/6/2024 at 9:13 AM, MalcolmB said:

If they keep murdering innocent women and children they should go to hell.

innocent?  innocent of what? They are all involved one way or the other

I seem to remember it was a certain D Rumsfelt who stated the humanity with which we are killing these people ......

Advocates for Amnesty International getting some well deserved reality checks from a passer by who caught them ripping up hostage posters and throwing them in the bin. Disgusting.

 

 

The population of the Gaza Strip will grow  about 1.0% in 2024, according to the Palestinian Central Statistics Bureau. "Based on the data, the estimated growth rate in Gaza Strip for 2023 will decrease from about 2.7%, according to PCBS estimates for 2023, to only about 1% during 2024,"  the PCBS stated.   https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/portals/_pcbs/PressRelease/Press_En_WPD2024E.pdf 

It's difficult to claim genocide is taking place when the population is still growing., even if the growth rate has slowed significantly.

 

On 12/5/2024 at 9:06 PM, impulse said:

Someone should have asked the same question about where the Palestinians should go, when the Brits sold them out...  With the support of the Americans.

 

Palestinians  SHOULD have gone to the Arab state which would have been created by the U.N. plan for the partition of Mandatory Palestine.  However, the Arab League  and the Palestinian leadership rejected the U.N.  plan because they wanted ALL of Mandatory Palestine.  Arab armies invaded Israel with the goal of pushing the Jews into the sea, but got their ass*s whipped by the newly formed Israel Defense Forces.  Through its victories on the battlefield, Israel was able to take over 78% of the land that had been Mandatory Palestine.  Arabs who hadn't already fled Israel did so at that point, retreating to the areas of thr former Mandate controlled by (Trans)Jordan, Egypt or another country.  

 

Palestinians are generic Arabs.  No differences in language, culture and religion seperated the Arabs who lived in the former Mandatory  Palestine from those in Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Iraq.  There were some cultural differences between Palestinians and Arabs in Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and Yemen, but nothing that would prevent them from integrating into those areas.  Palestinians had plenty of places to go when they lost Israel.

 

A chart from the PCSB (same link as above) shows the distribution of Palestinians.

The category "1948 Territory" refers to Arab citizens of Israel.

On 12/7/2024 at 2:52 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 Muslims attempted to ethnically cleanse Jews from Israel on Oct 7 th .

 

And long before Oct 7. Pogroms by Arabs against Jews in Palestine in the modern era go back to 1920-21.  Very serious attacks took place in 1929 and waves of attacks occurred between 1936 and 1939. 

Anti-Jewish Violence in Pre-State Palestine/1929 Massacres

"Arab violence against Jews is often alleged to have begun with the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 or as a result of Israel’s capture in 1967 of territories occupied by Jordan. But even before the Mandate for Palestine was assigned to Great Britain by the Allies at the San Remo Conference (April 1920) and endorsed by the League of Nations (July 1922), Palestinian Arabs were carrying out organized attacks against Jewish communities in Palestine."    https://www.camera.org/article/anti-jewish-violence-in-pre-state-palestine-1929-massacres/

It's important to note that before the U.N. awarded territory to the Jewish state, early Zionists (pre-1948) bought all the land they occupied.  None of it was "stolen."   The Muslim Arab opposition to Jews in Palestine was based on pure religious hatred.

 

More murders by the Israelis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk0x64ll8jo

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

More murders by the Israelis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk0x64ll8jo

 

   Always the same story .

Israel claims they were Hamas members attempting to steal the food .

Hamas says they were innocent civilians