I Think I Might Have Screwed Up

[kingstonkid]

Hi I need some advice from the experts.

 

My passport expires around the same time as my visa extension so I tried to do the whole thing at once.  

 

Now, Canada Post is on strike, and I am not sure I will get my new passport on time.

 

I am hoping someone can give me advice by extension, which is due -7 Jan.

 

Also, remember that in order to get my new passport, I have to give them my current one.

 

 

Yes I know I am an idiot no need to flame me.

 

 

[Caldera]

Not sure what your question is. You won't be able to get an extension if your passport is about to expire (or if you aren't able to physically take it along to immigration for any reason).

 

One option might be to get an emergency passport from the Canadian embassy if your regular passport is delayed too much. Other than that, you'd be on overstay and get fined for that.

[kingstonkid]

Yeah that is what 

1 minute ago, Caldera said:

Not sure what your question is. You won't be able to get an extension if your passport is about to expire (or of you aren't able to physically take it along to immigration).

 

One option might be to get an emergency passport from the Canadian embassy if your regular passport is delayed too much. Other than that, you'd be on overstay and get fined for that.

 

Yeah that is what I was thinking but will I be able to  extednd retirment visa is my worry as I will not  have my old one I can take pictures of it of course and possibly get the Embassy to certify them if they will.

 

I know we have a lot of real experts here so hoping someone has seen this before and can advise

[Phillip9]

2 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Yeah that is what I was thinking but will I be able to  extednd retirment visa is my worry as I will not  have my old one I can take pictures of it of course and possibly get the Embassy to certify them if they will.

 

You can't extend without your passport.  Any extension is only valid until the passport expiration date anyway.

 

Either try to renew your passport by Post and hope it gets back to you in time, and then do the extension, or fly back to Canada and renew it there.

 

[kingstonkid]

5 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

 

You can't extend without your passport.  Any extension is only valid until the passport expiration date anyway.

 

Either try to renew your passport by Post and hope it gets back to you in time, and then do the extension, or fly back to Canada and renew it there.

 

I can do the paperwork and everything at the embassy.  it is the time crunch.  My passport expires almost the same day as my extension LOL

 

That is what gave me the BAD idea of doing it all at once.

 

 

[Phillip9]

2 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

I can do the paperwork and everything at the embassy.  it is the time crunch.  My passport expires almost the same day as my extension LOL

 

That is what gave me the BAD idea of doing it all at once.

 

 

 

I would submit the renewal application ASAP at the embassy.  That is really your only option other than flying home. 

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

That is what gave me the BAD idea of doing it all at once.

Needless to say that you're in bad situation.

Have you applied for the passport renewal? Meaning already sent your existing pp with application 

 

 

[kingstonkid]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Needless to say that you're in bad situation.

Have you applied for the passport renewal? Meaning already sent your existing pp with application 

 

 

doing that wednesday

[impulse]

I got nothing in terms of advice.   I'm a Yank and don't claim knowledge of how the Canucks are operating.

 

Just the consolation of wishing that's the dumbest thing I've done.  Even recently.

 

[DrJack54]

Just now, kingstonkid said:

doing that wednesday

Personally I would not take the chance.

At very least would be talking to folk at your embassy.

Check info on emergency pp.

 

Reading Toronto times seems postal services have been down since Nov 15. So how quickly they return is guess work.

Easy for Oz folk (only 9 hr direct flight) to suggest you fly home prior to Jan 7.

However that's an option.

 

It's ridiculous that USA and Canadians have to send the physical current pp..

 

[CanadaSam]

I don't understand what Canada Post has to do with this.

 

In all my experiences of renewing my Canadian passport at many embassies / high commissions in foreign countries, they either issue it in the local office, or have it brought in via diplomatic channels.

 

Get to the embassy in Bangkok immediately and request a new passport, explain the circumstances to them, the staff there is pretty helpful, IMO.

[kingstonkid]

8 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

I don't understand what Canada Post has to do with this.

 

In all my experiences of renewing my Canadian passport at many embassies / high commissions in foreign countries, they either issue it in the local office, or have it brought in via diplomatic channels.

 

Get to the embassy in Bangkok immediately and request a new passport, explain the circumstances to them, the staff there is pretty helpful, IMO.

 

Sam thanks.  I agree that with the Dip bag, it should be realitivly easy but then again this is the CDN government 

 

Got all my paperwork ready and hoping they can help me.  

 

I agree they have always been helpful.  Worst case I see if possible border bounce. 

[Phillip9]

6 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Worst case I see if possible border bounce

 

I don't see how a border bounce helps you.  I think Thailand (and almost every other country) requires you to have a minimum of 6 months before your passport expires to enter the country.   Canada is likely the only country that will allow you to enter with your current passport.

 

[jerrymahoney]

23 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

It's ridiculous that USA and Canadians have to send the physical current pp..

For USofA, I presume one reason for that is so they can make sure the old passport is invalidated.

 

When I got my most recent passport, there was still almost a year before the old one's expire date.

[bbi1]

My advice would be to call your Embassy and ask them what to do about your passport.

[bbi1]

7 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

 

I don't see how a border bounce helps you.  I think Thailand (and almost every other country) requires you to have a minimum of 6 months before your passport expires to enter the country.   Canada is likely the only country that will allow you to enter with your current passport.

 

Border bounce would be fine if he has a 2nd passport. Come back into Thailand with a passport from another country.

[Dante99]

26 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

I don't understand what Canada Post has to do with this.

Yes, unlikely to be posted from Canada.  

 

Talk with your embassy asap as suggested above.  You need to apply for the new pp anyway.

[Phillip9]

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

For USofA, I presume one reason for that is so they can make sure the old passport is invalidated.

 

But they allow people living in the USA to renew online without sending in their old passport.  So invalidation of the old passport is not the reason.

 

But people living abroad have to mail in their passport.  Seems like it should be the opposite--People abroad should be able to keep their passport while waiting for renewal.

 

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I presume one reason for that is so they can make sure the old passport is invalidated.

I renewed my AU pp earlier this year.

Despite fact it expires in 2026.

 

Done completely online.

Existing passport is NOT sent to Oz embassy Bangkok with application. 

Granted you have to visit post office.

Not need to even visit Embassy.

 

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

Yeah that is what 

 

Yeah that is what I was thinking but will I be able to  extednd retirment visa is my worry as I will not  have my old one I can take pictures of it of course and possibly get the Embassy to certify them if they will.

 

I know we have a lot of real experts here so hoping someone has seen this before and can advise

A temporary travel document is not a passport and can't be used to renew or apply for an extension to my knowledge. You can check with imm office and your embassy but you may be unable to process any extension.

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Needless to say that you're in bad situation.

Have you applied for the passport renewal? Meaning already sent your existing pp with application 

 

 

Do you REALLY have to send your old Passport with the application for a new one?

I thought it was against the Law here to be without it. 

I have a couple of UK ones, which I personally made holes in when my new one arrived, after transferring the stamps at Immigration.

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

 

But they allow people living in the USA to renew online without sending in their old passport.  So invalidation of the old passport is not the reason.

 

But people living abroad have to mail in their passport.  Seems like it should be the opposite--People abroad should be able to keep their passport while waiting for renewal.

 

Well maybe the Dept of State is more concerned with nefarious uses of a non-invalidated passport ex-US than domestic.

[Phillip9]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Well maybe the Dept of State is more concerned with nefarious uses of a non-invalidated passport ex-US than domestic.

Yah, I think you're right.  The US gov is paranoid of everyone and everything abroad.

 

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Do you REALLY have to send your old Passport with the application for a new one?

USA citizens have to and seems Canadians also.

Ridiculous.

Certainly AU you do NOT send passport with application. 

[CanadaSam]

2 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Do you REALLY have to send your old Passport with the application for a new one?

 

 

For Canadians, the embassy only cuts a small corner portion of the entire passport and gives it back to you (if you request it back).

[KannikaP]

21 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

 

For Canadians, the embassy only cuts a small corner portion of the entire passport and gives it back to you (if you request it back).

Same for UK Basil, but you do not have to send it with application for new one, as you could be without a Passport for a couple of months, which is not a good situation. 

I would assume that the old passport number is automatically nulled when new one is issued.

You need the old one available if you need Visas and other stamps transferred.

[DrJack54]

26 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

I would assume that the old passport number is automatically nulled when new one is issued.

You need the old one available if you need Visas and other stamps transferred.

You certainly do require the old passport. 

As you pointed out any valid visa, reentry permit etc remain valid even when old pp cancelled.

 

When stamps are transfered at immigration some information from old pp is noted in new pp.

 

I obtained new pp earlier this year and still needed to travel with both passports as my reentry permit was in old pp and valid. 

[kingstonkid]

Thanks for the information everyone 

[DrJack54]

13 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Thanks for the information everyone 

Guessing your plan is to do the application Wednesday at Canadian embassy and obviously seeking any advice at the same time.

When you receive new and old passports back the new pp will have a "issued date" 

At the worst case where your permission of stay has expired prior you can face small overstay fine at airport and return no problem visa exempt and start over with new non O at local immigration office. 

Good luck

[Goethe]

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