4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Thank you. Many/most AN members like to ask,/discuss about medical issues instead of asking Google. The world doesn't need doctors anymore apparently. With Google everybody claims to be an expert. Terrible.

So which is the focus of your comment?

Should people not discuss medical opinion or should they ask for diverse Google "opinion" ?

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Nice quote mine.

 

Pfizer only had two years experience researching mRna.

Pfizer never had an mRna product.

 

Flu vaccines were tested in mice in the 90's, rabies vaccines for humans in 2013.

 

But the technology was not sufficiently developed.

 

The first vaccine to be approved in the United States was rVSV-ZEBOV in December 2019.

 

The first mRNA vaccines using these fatty envelopes were developed against the deadly Ebola virus, but since that virus is only found in a limited number of African countries, it had no commercial development in the U.S.

Fauci was very happy to refer to his involvement in (failed )mRNA research on HIV and other virus infections as the basis of justifying the Covid-19 version.

Other than Covid-19  vaccines there are none other that are known to have FDA approval for other diseases.

rVSV-ZEBOV i is not an mRNA vaccine.

 

 

30 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

So which is the focus of your comment?

Should people not discuss medical opinion or should they ask for diverse Google "opinion" ?

If you don't get it scroll down

20 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Other than Covid-19  vaccines there are none other that are known to have FDA approval for other diseases.

rVSV-ZEBOV i is not an mRNA vaccine.

 

Thank you for catching that. 

I was misteaken.

Vaccines exist, but not FDA approved.

 

Table 1.

mRNA Vaccines Against Infectious Diseases

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8668227/table/t0001/

 

 

 

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Nice quote mine.

 

Pfizer only had two years experience researching mRna.

Pfizer never had an mRna product.

 

Flu vaccines were tested in mice in the 90's, rabies vaccines for humans in 2013.

 

But the technology was not sufficiently developed.

 

The first vaccine to be approved in the United States was rVSV-ZEBOV in December 2019.

 

The first mRNA vaccines using these fatty envelopes were developed against the deadly Ebola virus, but since that virus is only found in a limited number of African countries, it had no commercial development in the U.S.

Botched Ebola Vaccine Trials in Ghana: An Analysis of Discourses in the Media
 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7922854/

 

We have worn out our welcome in many African countries.

 

On 12/28/2024 at 9:10 PM, Red Phoenix said:

 

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/why-some-of-us-did-not-get-covid

 

= = =

My comment > Not only does this article explain in easy to understand language WHY some people - like myself - never experienced any COVID symptoms, but it also helps understand the harm you inflicted on yourself when you tricked your immune system by injecting the mRNA 'vax' straight into your blood-stream thereby bypassing your natural defense system. 

Mind you, these are not 'new insights' but is basic immunology and has been known - and then conveniently 'forgotten' - long before the Big Pharma sorcerer apprentices unleashed their PP (profitable poison) on the world population. 

 

= = =

Just about everyone will admit that most of us have encountered something that resulted in a collection of disease symptoms that we called COVID. But about 30% of us never got those symptoms. Why? The answer is in our immune systems that keep us in harmony with the environment and whatever is in it. Call these environmental exposures whatever you want, parasites, toxins, bacteria, viruses, obelisks, exosomes, exogenous genetic material pushed around by electromagnetic frequences, it doesn’t matter. The key is this; the environmental exposure must get IN you to affect you. So, unless you take a needle and shove it directly in, it’s going to have to come through your epithelial barrier that separates the inside of you from the outside. There are biological and molecular explanations for how these things can get through the barrier, but know this: When they do come through the barrier naturally, your immune system, unless you tamper with it by directly injecting stuff, will remember the exposure, whether or not you had symptoms, and will protect you against future exposures for the rest of your life. If this didn't happen, we’d never have immunity to anything, ever.

 

Edited to fair use

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/why-some-of-us-did-not-get-covid

Clearly, you don't understand that everything you think about the science of vaccines is wrong. The MRNA vaccines (and I'm neither pro nor against) are not "genetic DNA therapy." That is literally gibberish. The vaccines did save millions of lives, the incidence of serious side effects, while real, was small, they did not cause turbo cancer (which is impossible), the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines did cause myocarditis and pericarditis, although the incident was rare and in most cases self-healing, there is no long-term natural immunity against Covid (just is there is no long-term immunity with the vaccines because of the rapid mutation of the virus), and it is literally impossible that the Big Pharma industry could have dictated all of the positive studies on the vaccines that took place in multiple countries. So why don't you go out and enjoy yourself instead of still talking about something you know nothing about.

 

Oh, and Thailand had a vaccination rate of only around 62 percent and the vast majority of those received the Astra Zeneca and Chinese vaccines. So, no, the MRNA vaccines are not responsible for the rise in cancer cases in Thailand

On 12/29/2024 at 5:44 PM, Ohyesuare said:

COVID is over, find something else to obsess about.

I might try telling people what to do,just like you.

25 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Botched Ebola Vaccine Trials in Ghana: An Analysis of Discourses in the Media
 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7922854/

 

We have worn out our welcome in many African countries.

 

 

Interesting read.

 

The press release suggested that the “criminal” trials will spread Ebola in Ghana because healthy people will have to be infected with the Ebola virus before being given the vaccine.

 

Their press release described the vaccine trials as “unfortunate,” risking the lives of Ghanaians as guinea pigs for an “unnecessary experiment.”

 

The must have a lotta voodoo chiropractors in Ghana.

On 12/29/2024 at 4:52 AM, Flyguy330 said:

Here's an interesting story.

Because of various delays and diversions my 13 y.o. son wasn't vaxxed. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I was just waiting for the promised non mRNA vax to come out for him. I had concluded that (according to all the data being published) his risk was very low or non existent and the only reason for vaxxing HIM was to allow him to travel or otherwise go to restricted places.

As it happened, the non mRNA vaxx didn't become available by the time lockdowns started lifting and he was called back to regular school. His un-vaxxed status became a non-issue.

Once back to school I assumed he'd catch it and get over it fast. But he steadfastly refused to catch it (LOL). Then all his little classmates and friends (all of whom were obediently vaxxed) started catching it dropping like flies. Not dying - but getting quite sick, and having to stay away from class for a week. Even kids sitting next to him were succumbing. But not him.

How weird I thought. He must have a super strong immune system! OR, maybe he DID catch it, but was asymptomatic and shook it off fast?

In the end my curiosity got the better of me and I took him to a hospital covid test lab to have an antibody test. This would show if he had indeed caught it and had the antibodies to prove it.

The test came back negative.

To this day he has never had covid (no symptoms anyhow).

I can't explain it - but it sure amazes me!

I wonder if there is any validity that Asians had some immunity?  Perhaps from something similar in the past evolution.  

I'm convinced I got it  Dec 26th 2019 when I flew through Shanghai on my way to BKK.  Was sick as a dog for 5 days.  I think if I wasn't fit or obese I would have died by choking on my phloem.  Sone nights I sat up for 2 hours focusing on coughing enough to clear my lungs passages so I could inhale my next breath.  My Thai GF at the time stayed with me the entire time and didn't get sick.   Luckily our travel plans included this 5 day stay.  But after that I did contribute to passing it all over Thailand.  I did wear mask and stayed far away from others when I could ask I would do anytime I was recovering from some illness.  

We both have taken several covid mrna vaccinations including the latest one 2 weeks ago.  We both got it pretty bad in July, my 3 rd time, she was down for 7 days.  Me only 4 but I started paxlovid a few days after my symptoms started which was 4 days after hers. 

I despised being forced to get vaccinated if I wanted to partake in certain important activities I do often.  I had my doubts about what the media was selling but in the end I think the vaccines were beneficial.  To what extent, I have no clue.  

 

The wife and I both got Covid soon after our second shot. We are both slim and extremely healthy but that was a rough week! I never felt I was going to die but it made me realize how important health was and how little the media was promoting health as a cure. Getting a nasty case of Covid and being extremely unhealthy like many would be frightening.

 

Covid preyed on the weak and on this forum you couldn’t even discuss this “fact”. Weird times.

44 minutes ago, Elkski said:

We both have taken several covid mrna vaccinations including the latest one 2 weeks ago.  We both got it pretty bad in July, my 3 rd time, she was down for 7 days.  Me only 4 but I started paxlovid a few days after my symptoms started which was 4 days after hers. 

A three time winner eh?  With several Covid vaccinations?

 

Wow.

 

And just to think that I still haven’t had Covid with zero vaccinations…and I’m not Asian.

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I despised being forced to get vaccinated if I wanted to partake in certain important activities I do often.  I had my doubts about what the media was selling but in the end I think the vaccines were beneficial.  To what extent, I have no clue.  

 

The wife and I both got Covid soon after our second shot. We are both slim and extremely healthy but that was a rough week! I never felt I was going to die but it made me realize how important health was and how little the media was promoting health as a cure. Getting a nasty case of Covid and being extremely unhealthy like many would be frightening.

 

Covid preyed on the weak and on this forum you couldn’t even discuss this “fact”. Weird times.

You too?

 

Getting Covid after your vaccination?  Did you ever have it before vaccination?

 

I too was wondering why the media never told people to “focus on their health” or anything that promoted a healthy lifestyle….well….no….actually I didn’t wonder at all.
 

Because the only answer was to get the jab. 🫤

 

 

On 12/29/2024 at 9:10 AM, Red Phoenix said:

 

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/why-some-of-us-did-not-get-covid

 

= = =

My comment > Not only does this article explain in easy to understand language WHY some people - like myself - never experienced any COVID symptoms, but it also helps understand the harm you inflicted on yourself when you tricked your immune system by injecting the mRNA 'vax' straight into your blood-stream thereby bypassing your natural defense system. 

Mind you, these are not 'new insights' but is basic immunology and has been known - and then conveniently 'forgotten' - long before the Big Pharma sorcerer apprentices unleashed their PP (profitable poison) on the world population. 

 

= = =

Just about everyone will admit that most of us have encountered something that resulted in a collection of disease symptoms that we called COVID. But about 30% of us never got those symptoms. Why? The answer is in our immune systems that keep us in harmony with the environment and whatever is in it. Call these environmental exposures whatever you want, parasites, toxins, bacteria, viruses, obelisks, exosomes, exogenous genetic material pushed around by electromagnetic frequences, it doesn’t matter. The key is this; the environmental exposure must get IN you to affect you. So, unless you take a needle and shove it directly in, it’s going to have to come through your epithelial barrier that separates the inside of you from the outside. There are biological and molecular explanations for how these things can get through the barrier, but know this: When they do come through the barrier naturally, your immune system, unless you tamper with it by directly injecting stuff, will remember the exposure, whether or not you had symptoms, and will protect you against future exposures for the rest of your life. If this didn't happen, we’d never have immunity to anything, ever.

 

Edited to fair use

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/why-some-of-us-did-not-get-covid

Find a credible source and not an ex-chiropractor to use as valid scientific evidence for or against any medication not just covid vaccines

On 12/28/2024 at 8:26 PM, dinsdale said:

I remember some espousing that injecting the experimental DNA therapy was the only way to go and natural immunity was seen as dis or misinformation. 

 

I'm not familiar with this DNA therapy. Can you explain further? I got the vaccine, which is not therapy and has nothing to do with DNA, but it worked well to prepare my immune system to fight off the virus.

40 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

 

I'm not familiar with this DNA therapy. Can you explain further? I got the vaccine, which is not therapy and has nothing to do with DNA, but it worked well to prepare my immune system to fight off the virus.

 

Always this deeply rooted idea that nature made us incomplete and the pharmaceutical companies are here to enhance us…

 

I really hope the incoming Trump administration will contribute to invalidating this deleterious notion.

Let those who wish to be vaccinated be vaccinated.  Let those who wish to wear masks wear masks.  And the converse should also be true.

 

If you search Google you will find endless support for the restrictions imposed by officialdom.  But Google, once relatively unbiased, is known now to shape its search algorythms to suit its financial interests.  And even respected academic institutions must keep an eye on their bottom line.

 

Studies support both sides of the arguments regarding vaccines, face masks and lockdowns.

 

But there can be little doubt that there has been criminal negligence, at the very least, where those suffering from mild Covid have been turned away from hospitals without any form of advice except to return when the disease becomes serious.  And many similar such mistakes.  If errors they were.

 

The Covid virus is a large, heavy one, as viruses go.  Spread largely by contact.  And fragile.  Soap and water kills it.  No need for toxic hand-washes.  Not airborne except on droplets of spittle.  About 30,000 base units, it is said.  Whatever base units may be.  Subject to faulty replication, i.e. mutation.  Nothing like the wee polio virus which has only produced two or three mutations during its long presence amongst us.

 

According to one report "a moderate positive correlation was found between mask usage and deaths in Western Europe, which suggests that the universal use of masks may have had harmful unintended consequences."  Nothing conclusive there.  But I tend to disagree with the possible reason they offer for this.

 

According to the F.L.C.C.C. doctors and healthcare professionals (about 600 of them internationally) they had zero deaths amongst their Covid patients as long as blood oxygen was maintained above 78% (the norm being 95 to 100%).  Masks, depending upon type and upon the individual, can reduce respiratory oxygen by up to 20%.

 

Just a personal footnote:  I am unvaccinated (as regards Covid),  in my 80s, with co-morbidities, contracted what was probably Covid in October last year.  This was long a "dark red" province, up on a border not recognised by Covid, nor now by the cholera.  Three days of hell in bed, knocking back doses of the vile CDS.  Up on the fourth day.  And cycling into town on the fifth for lunch at my favourite tea-room.  Viruses have been with us for millions of years and can be knocked on the head.  The means are not lacking and the cost is negligible.

6 hours ago, Airalee said:

LOL.  Yeah…sure

 

Histrionic appeal to emotion.  🙄

Well, did you? Millions had to watch as their friends and family died. Because you love a good conspiracy theory (it's all just a game anyway, right?) you mock the real suffering that people endured. Fiction over fact. Maybe you'll have to face tragedy one day too.

14 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Well, did you? Millions had to watch as their friends and family died. Because you love a good conspiracy theory (it's all just a game anyway, right?) you mock the real suffering that people endured. Fiction over fact. Maybe you'll have to face tragedy one day too.

Oh please.  The days of being a Covid drama queen are long past their expiration date.  Stop with the emotional outbursts.
 

What you mean is that that millions had to watch someone who most likely had multiple comorbidities, was older than the average life expectancy and already had one foot in the grave (and the other on a banana peel) die…and then have the hospital state that the cause of death was Covid so that they would receive a bonus in the tens of thousands of dollars?

 

Yeah.

 

Revealed: The Average COVID Death Age Is GREATER Than Average Lifespan

 

https://thenewamerican.com/us/politics/revealed-the-average-covid-death-age-is-greater-than-average-lifespan/

 

Criminality and Financial Incentives Concerning Hospital COVID Deaths: Why a Presidential Pardon Can’t Shield Fauci from State Prosecution
 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/criminality-financial-incentives-concerning-hospital-covid-deaths-why/

 

ONLY 6% WITHOUT COMORBIDITIES? THE TRUTH ABOUT COVID DEATHS

 

“According to the CDC: “For 6% of [coronavirus disease 2019] deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.””

 

https://www.futurity.org/cdc-covid-19-comorbidities-2436032-2/

5 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

Clearly, you don't understand that everything you think about the science of vaccines is wrong. The MRNA vaccines (and I'm neither pro nor against) are not "genetic DNA therapy." That is literally gibberish. The vaccines did save millions of lives, the incidence of serious side effects, while real, was small, they did not cause turbo cancer (which is impossible), the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines did cause myocarditis and pericarditis, although the incident was rare and in most cases self-healing, there is no long-term natural immunity against Covid (just is there is no long-term immunity with the vaccines because of the rapid mutation of the virus), and it is literally impossible that the Big Pharma industry could have dictated all of the positive studies on the vaccines that took place in multiple countries. So why don't you go out and enjoy yourself instead of still talking about something you know nothing about.

 

Oh, and Thailand had a vaccination rate of only around 62 percent and the vast majority of those received the Astra Zeneca and Chinese vaccines. So, no, the MRNA vaccines are not responsible for the rise in cancer cases in Thailand

I gather that you are actually interested in discovering what's going on in the real world.  While I cannot get the link to work,  you can Google "The Pandemic Hunters Bloomberg" and scroll down to "Scientists Search For the Next Pandemic Virus In Remote Jungles". 

It's a long article about how a division of Abbot Laboratories is working on identifying viruses that might become the next pandemic.  Hope you like it.

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Oh please.  The days of being a Covid drama queen are long past their expiration date.  Stop with the emotional outbursts.
 

What you mean is that that millions had to watch someone who most likely had multiple comorbidities, was older than the average life expectancy and already had one foot in the grave (and the other on a banana peel) die…and then have the hospital state that the cause of death was Covid so that they would receive a bonus in the tens of thousands of dollars?

 

Yeah.

 

Revealed: The Average COVID Death Age Is GREATER Than Average Lifespan

 

https://thenewamerican.com/us/politics/revealed-the-average-covid-death-age-is-greater-than-average-lifespan/

 

Criminality and Financial Incentives Concerning Hospital COVID Deaths: Why a Presidential Pardon Can’t Shield Fauci from State Prosecution
 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/criminality-financial-incentives-concerning-hospital-covid-deaths-why/

 

ONLY 6% WITHOUT COMORBIDITIES? THE TRUTH ABOUT COVID DEATHS

 

“According to the CDC: “For 6% of [coronavirus disease 2019] deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.””

 

https://www.futurity.org/cdc-covid-19-comorbidities-2436032-2/

Yeah, I thought so. Just a flood of dial a denial figures. You must have used these a million times. Getting COVID wasn't the problem. It was the already immune-compromised who were at risk. You obviously weren't. Lucky you.

45 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Yeah, I thought so. Just a flood of dial a denial figures. You must have used these a million times. Getting COVID wasn't the problem. It was the already immune-compromised who were at risk. You obviously weren't. Lucky you.

What about those who were in top shape and got very sick?  The unsolved mysteries of COVID are still with us and most likely many will never be revealed.

In a previous post, I wrote about my experience with the virus. My girl and I consider ourselves to fortunate to not have suffered despite being exposed.

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Always this deeply rooted idea that nature made us incomplete and the pharmaceutical companies are here to enhance us…

 

I really hope the incoming Trump administration will contribute to invalidating this deleterious notion.

 

Have you ever taken an antibiotic? If so, why wasn't your immune system good enough? And how do you feel about Ivermectin?

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

What about those who were in top shape and got very sick?  The unsolved mysteries of COVID are still with us and most likely many will never be revealed.

In a previous post, I wrote about my experience with the virus. My girl and I consider ourselves to fortunate to not have suffered despite being exposed.

Thanks, I totally agree. I think all you can rely on is your own experience of COVID. All the facts, figures, arguments, theories have become meaningless. For every hypothesis there's an antithesis, but there's no synthesis. In other words, nobody can agree.

7 hours ago, Paradise Pete said:

 

I'm not familiar with this DNA therapy. Can you explain further? I got the vaccine, which is not therapy and has nothing to do with DNA, but it worked well to prepare my immune system to fight off the virus.

Sorry my mistake. I meant gene therapy. 

9 hours ago, Elkski said:

We both have taken several covid mrna vaccinations including the latest one 2 weeks ago.  We both got it pretty bad in July, my 3 rd time, she was down for 7 days.  Me only 4 but I started paxlovid a few days after my symptoms started which was 4 days after hers. 

After x times getting sick, maybe time to question the 'It would have been worse without having taken the jabs'. 

The simple truth is that by taking the experimental shots you have seriously harmed your immune system, resulting in you becoming much more prone to infections. 

And taking Paxlovid is NOT the answer but will only make things worse.

Now you can get angry, dismiss and ridicule the above, but reading some of the articles/studies finally allowed to be posted on this Forum, might help you understand the downward spiral you are currently in, and show some ways to slow it down and reverse course.  Wishing you and your girlfriend a full recovery. 

59 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

 

Have you ever taken an antibiotic? If so, why wasn't your immune system good enough? And how do you feel about Ivermectin?

As we age our immune system begins to decline. Antibiotics I have taken for UTI's and contaminated shellfish have worked wonders for me.  The trick is to match the right antibiotic for each particular situation. 

9 hours ago, Dan O said:

Find a credible source and not an ex-chiropractor to use as valid scientific evidence for or against any medication not just covid vaccines

Time and again the 'expert credible sources' have been shown to be wrong.  How many times have we read that doctors were 'baffled' when the facts showed that the outcomes of their interventions (which they arrogantly touted as the One and Only truth) turned out to be disastrous.

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

After x times getting sick, maybe time to question the 'It would have been worse without having taken the jabs'. 

The simple truth is that by taking the experimental shots you have seriously harmed your immune system, resulting in you becoming much more prone to infections. 

And taking Paxlovid is NOT the answer but will only make things worse.

Now you can get angry, dismiss and ridicule the above, but reading some of the articles/studies finally allowed to be posted on this Forum, might help you understand the downward spiral you are currently in, and show some ways to slow it down and reverse course.  Wishing you and your girlfriend a full recovery. 

Who knows. Could of been worse.  If they weren't vaccinated they might not be here to talk about it.  Thankfully, they are on the road to recovery.  No two situations are alike.

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

What about those who were in top shape and got very sick?  The unsolved mysteries of COVID are still with us and most likely many will never be revealed.

In a previous post, I wrote about my experience with the virus. My girl and I consider ourselves to fortunate to not have suffered despite being exposed.

Do you mean the like the healthy teens who died?

 

 

8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Who knows. Could have been worse.  If they weren't vaccinated they might not be here to talk about.  Thankfully, they are on the road to recovery.  No two situations are alike.

Maybe the vaccine made it worse.  
 

More vaccinated people were dying than unvaccinated as the vaccination rates went up.  And then, when it got so bad, they stopped disclosing vaccination status of those who died.

 

Next!