Ceasefire in Ukraine.

[impulse]

12 hours ago, bokningar said:

16 hours ago, impulse said:

And the killing and the dying keep going on.  And the cost of rebuilding Ukraine keeps getting more expensive.

Over the year I have read a lot of stupid stuff here. But this take the first price.

Who is attacking who, and who is killing civilians and bombing schools and hospitals?

You don't need to answer. I will block you right now. Russian Troll

 

So which statement that I made is incorrect?

 

Did Putin attack on Biden's watch, over 2 years ago?

Has the $$ hundreds of billions that Biden dumped into the conflict resulted in a win or fewer deaths?

Has the dying stopped?

Is Ukraine somehow self healing so the cost of rebuilding is going down?

 

Please do block me.  You'll be doing both of us a favor.

 

 

[UWEB]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't recall that it was a campaign promise. What he said was that he COULD stop it in a day. I suspect he was a bit busy eliminating Biden's dead hand from government to be ending that war already.

Better to read first

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-russia-ukraine-war-un-election-a78ecb843af452b8dda1d52d137ca893

[still kicking]

14 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Zelensky will go into exile with all the $$ he has earn from being the Blackrock & MICs  puppet.

Yes Comrad 

[Sorted2024]

The Trump administration is a breath of fresh air for many businesses and the rule of common sense 

 

Compared to this guy 

[Jingthing]

16 hours ago, jas007 said:

It's just a matter of time. Everyone knows that. The war is over. The killing needs to stop.  Soon enough, Putin and Trump will get together and figure out a solution.  And Zelensky won't have any real say.  Fort him, it's take it or leave it. and if he wants to leave it, he can start spending his own money on an exercise in futility. 

Funny.

Trump just punted the problem to Xi.

Basically saying he doesn't even have a CONCEPT of a plan on how to solve it.

To Xi -- Putin's ally. 

How low can Trump go?

There is really no limit.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Thank gawd  Stalin didnt kill many  though eh

I hope that is sarcasm.

[thaibeachlovers]

51 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Better to read first

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-russia-ukraine-war-un-election-a78ecb843af452b8dda1d52d137ca893

Seriously? Your own article doesn't say he promised to end it on day one of his presidency. All it says is that he claimed he could stop it in one day, but it doesn't say when that day is.

[Woke to Sounds]

I'm a bit concerned if this war ends prematurely, it will hamper some great gains I've been seeing in my porfolio of diversified global assets so far this year.

 

We must remember that the manufacturibles of war are essential to so many economies and that human beings is intrinsically programmed for violence.

[expat_4_life]

2 hours ago, cr600john said:

When this Ukraine war started, Putin said it would be over in four days.

This is simply not true.  Arestovich predicted a 3 day end to the war before it actually started, back in 2021.  That is the earliest prediction I have even seen.  In early February 2022, before the full-scale invasion began, General Mark Milley predicted to Congress that if Russia invaded, Kyiv could fall within 72 hours.  Never said by the Russians.

 

This has since become something that was repeated endlessly, whether it was 3 days, 4 or a week, and used to demonstrate that Russia is weak, incompetent, etc.  It was never said by Putin, Lavarov or any other source that I've ever found.  You've been misled.

Post a link if you have one.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

I'm a bit concerned if this war ends prematurely, it will hamper some great gains I've been seeing in my porfolio of diversified global assets so far this year.

 

We must remember that the manufacturibles of war are essential to so many economies and that human beings is intrinsically programmed for violence.

I guess for some of us it only matters when their own house and family get blown up.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, expat_4_life said:

This is simply not true.  Arestovich predicted a 3 day end to the war before it actually started, back in 2021.  That is the earliest prediction I have even seen.  In early February 2022, before the full-scale invasion began, General Mark Milley predicted to Congress that if Russia invaded, Kyiv could fall within 72 hours.  Never said by the Russians.

 

This has since become something that was repeated endlessly, whether it was 3 days, 4 or a week, and used to demonstrate that Russia is weak, incompetent, etc.  It was never said by Putin, Lavarov or any other source that I've ever found.  You've been misled.

Post a link if you have one.

Who was it from the 1930s or 40s that said if you tell a lie often enough, eventually people will believe it?

[SiSePuede419]

17 hours ago, bannork said:

Has the fighting stopped as he promised?

But but but he said they are going to build a swimming pool at the Timeshare condominium.  Why haven't they started yet? 😂

[MalcolmB]

17 hours ago, impulse said:

Biden had over 2 years to do something about it.  All he did was squander a couple hundred $$ billion.  And the killing and the dying keep going on.  And the cost of rebuilding Ukraine keeps getting more expensive.

 

 

It will be done after they finish the wall.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

Ukraine does not need a ceasefire it needs a Russian withdrawal. Will America accept Russian occupation of all or part of Alaska? or Hawaii? A ceasefire is a Russian victory

It may need it but it's not going to get it.

 

On that basis, it will be a Russian victory.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

It will be done after they finish the wall.

 

Then he has his priorities straight.   America first.

 

[frank83628]

9 hours ago, bannork said:

Of course Putin is selling oil to India and China but if Saudi Arabia ups production and so does Trump, the world price will drop, leaving Putin with little or no profit.

Saudi are not aligned with the US as they were previously, they have deals with Russia and China. Putin is still making money from Eastern countries,  its the EU people that are being screwed by high priced US Lng because their politicians are weak US lackeys.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Saudi are not aligned with the US as they were previously, they have deals with Russia and China. Putin is still making money from Eastern countries,  its the EU people that are being screwed by high priced US Lng becausentheir politicians are weak US lackeys.

Saudi is becoming friends with Iran. So much for the US interests.

 

https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/gulf-and-arabian-peninsula/iran-saudi-arabia/b92-great-expectations-future

Great Expectations: The Future of Iranian-Saudi Détente

[jas007]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Who was it from the 1930s or 40s that said if you tell a lie often enough, eventually people will believe it?

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

Sometimes attributed to Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda chief, although there's apparently no evidence that he ever said this.  The idea itself, of "the big lie," came from Hitler in Mein Kampf. 

 

Anyway, there's no need to look to the 30s and 40s, except by way of comparison to the playbook used by today's Democratic Party in the USA.  The propaganda, the lies, the extreme efforts dedicated to suppressing the truth by labeling it "misinformation," and so on.  Once they lost control of the narrative, it was only a matter of time before it was game over.  The evil was defeated, and Donald Trump is now the President of the USA. Free speech is more important than many people seem to think. 

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It may need it but it's not going to get it.

 

On that basis, it will be a Russian victory.

I rarely agree with you, but if Russia gets one inch of Ukraine land that they stole to keep and it's clear they will, that's at least a partial Putin win.

The key for Ukraine is getting actually real security protections.

Empty promises as in the past aren't going to cut it.

It's impossible to predict the details of the "end" of this war at this point.

A cease fire type deal will only be pause, not an end. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Once they lost control of the narrative, it was only a matter of time before it was game over.  The evil was defeated, and Donald Trump is now the President of the USA. Free speech is more important than many people seem to think. 

Seems that Musk being forced to buy Twitter after he tried to back out backfired on the Dems spectacularly.

I seem to remember the left leaning posters making much merriment when they thought Musk bought a lemon.

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Happy now?

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

I belive there has been a ceasefire reachedband hostages released.. That was done before he took office....

Most people can understand that Trump wanted get the negotiations going and bring and end to the war quickly, unlike the former half dead guy that laundered billions through Aid. Putin has the land where he saw issues . However due the US, UK and NATO thousands are dead too. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that Musk being forced to buy Twitter after he tried to back out backfired on the Dems spectacularly.

I seem to remember the left leaning posters making much merriment when they thought Musk bought a lemon.

Musk bought a business lemon.

But he's using that business lemon as a right wing propaganda gold mine with his altered algorithms actively pushing toxic misinformation. 

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, cr600john said:

When this Ukraine war started, Putin said it would be over in four days. Sometimes, Presidents just can't get their time schedules right. 

It was actually 2 weeks, not 4 days.

[thaibeachlovers]

I guess we'll know which way Trump is leaning when the Ukrainians run out of weapons and munitions. They'll be OK for a while as Biden just gave them a heap of US money, but that won't last long.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I belive there has been a ceasefire reachedband hostages released.. That was done before he took office....

Not according to anything google provides.

Perhaps you got Biden's other war mixed up with Ukraine.

[jas007]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that Musk being forced to buy Twitter after he tried to back out backfired on the Dems spectacularly.

I seem to remember the left leaning posters making much merriment when they thought Musk bought a lemon.

Unlike Musk, people on the left are all basically brainwashed and don't have any real vision.  The spin doctors told them that Musk had been robbed, purchasing Twitter for that price, and they believed it.  And to this day, many of them are still repeating that nonsense.  Meanwhile, Musk has turned X into one of the most widely read news sources in the world.  And he's expanded and improved it with AI.  It's a free speech platform, with "Community Notes" available for readers to critique posts they don't agree with.  Facebook has now supposedly gone forward with this concept as well, after firing all its "fact checkers." And supposedly, Musk is  considering expanding X  to include a payment platform.  With his PayPal background, her has much experience in that realm, so I think it'll probably happen.   

[frank83628]

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I rarely agree with you, but if Russia gets one inch of Ukraine land that they stole to keep and it's clear they will, that's at least a partial Putin win.

The key for Ukraine is getting actually real security protections.

Empty promises as in the past aren't going to cut it.

It's impossible to predict the details of the "end" of this war at this point.

A cease fire type deal will only be pause, not an end. 

If the US hadn't stuck their nose in Ukraine/Russian business back in 2014 its likely this wouldn't have happened at all.

[frank83628]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Musk bought a business lemon.

But he's using that business lemon as a right wing propaganda gold mine with his altered algorithms actively pushing toxic misinformation. 

Altered algorithms like facebook and Twitter used to do, fake news MSM, pushing misinformation s lies forbthe Democrat party?

Zuckerberg has recently opened up on Rogan podcast how he was threatened regarding what he could and couldn't show.

Misinformation = stuff we don't want you to know because it might cost us an election.

[jas007]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I rarely agree with you, but if Russia gets one inch of Ukraine land that they stole to keep and it's clear they will, that's at least a partial Putin win.

The key for Ukraine is getting actually real security protections.

Empty promises as in the past aren't going to cut it.

It's impossible to predict the details of the "end" of this war at this point.

A cease fire type deal will only be pause, not an end. 

Inasmuch as the war is all but over, I've more or less stopped paying attention to it.  Unless I'm mistaken, didn't Putin recently voice his disapproval of any type of "ceasefire"?  The rationale being that a ceasefire would simply give Ukraine breathing room and time to restock its supplies.  In other words, counterproductive for Russia.  

 

Anyway, unless the Neocon warmongers get to Trump, I think what'll happen is that the money flowing to Zelensky stops. At least the money from the USA will stop.  Why pour money down the drain?  The European leaders talk a lot, but their countries are all broke and/or on the verge of economic collapse, so I can't see them stepping up to fund a losing proposition.  Once Zelensky sees reality, he'll cut a deal. Russia will get whatever land it then occupies and a guarantee of no NATO for Ukraine, ever.  

[frank83628]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not according to anything google provides.

Perhaps you got Biden's other war mixed up with Ukraine.

I was referring to ME, what was posted mentioned both, so he got 1/2 sorted.