DWP life certificate.

[Badrabbit]

Has any one received one of these, got it today, eventually got it signed at Chalong Police Station.

Cost 1000bht to send this back to DWP, surely in this day and age they should have an online form, oh well done now.

Didn't know where to post this so it's here.

[Upnotover]

It must be deliberate.  Every missed letter saves them money.  At least for THB1,000 there some chance it might make it back.

 

59 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Didn't know where to post this so it's here.

Maybe here next time....

[Badrabbit]

5 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

It must be deliberate.  Every missed letter saves them money.  At least for THB1,000 there some chance it might make it back.

 

Maybe here next time....

Okay, it made it back the last time so hoping it does this time.

[worgeordie]

I get mine signed at a local Chemist ,where I buy some medicines ,

last time I went to get him to sign ,there where 3 other Farangs  

already there , and not one of them bought anything after getting

the paper signed and stamped., greedy buggers ,

 

I just send the paper back ordinary mail ,as they have increased time

for return , and so far it's always arrived , 1000 Baht is a lot to send

a letter , or did you send FedEx or some other courier...I suppose

after reading this i will be getting the letter shortly.

 

regards worgeordie

 

 

[Badrabbit]

11 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

I get mine signed at a local Chemist ,where I buy some medicines ,

last time I went to get him to sign ,there where 3 other Farangs  

already there , and not one of them bought anything after getting

the paper signed and stamped., greedy buggers ,

 

I just send the paper back ordinary mail ,as they have increased time

for return , and so far it's always arrived , 1000 Baht is a lot to send

a letter , or did you send FedEx or some other courier...I suppose

after reading this i will be getting the letter shortly.

 

regards worgeordie

 

 

The Pharmacy I got it signed at last time this time refused, Dentist refused, then I noticed on the form saying a member of the police force, so I went to Chalong police stn. Thay signed it but I noticed he didn't print his name, I hope HMRC will not reject it plus he wrote in Thai.

I'm not bothered about the 1000bht it's EMS so I can see it all the way to Wolverhampton.

You would think thay would use an online form.

.

[LivinginKata]

I get my local doctor to sign. Pay 200 Baht consult fee. Send by registered post about 200 Baht. Give tracking number. 

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, Badrabbit said:

Has any one received one of these, got it today, eventually got it signed at Chalong Police Station.

Cost 1000bht to send this back to HMRC, surely in this day and age they should have an online form, oh well done now.

Didn't know where to post this so it's here.

HMRC sent you a life certificate? That's a first! 

 

Ok, I'm teasing you, you obviously mean DWP. Next time use registered mail. Just as reliable and a quarter of the cost. Switching to an on line procedure is under discussion by DWP. They are aware that they loose millions of pounds a year paying out pensions to dead folks around the world.

[Badrabbit]

22 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

HMRC sent you a life certificate? That's a first! 

 

Ok, I'm teasing you, you obviously mean DWP. Next time use registered mail. Just as reliable and a quarter of the cost. Switching to an on line procedure is under discussion by DWP. They are aware that they loose millions of pounds a year paying out pensions to dead folks around the world.

I'm fine with the 1000bht it's nice to track it all the way to Wolverhampton.

Yes DWP.

Had one a couple of years ago.

[Badrabbit]

28 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

I get my local doctor to sign. Pay 200 Baht consult fee. Send by registered post about 200 Baht. Give tracking number. 

Awesome. next time I will consider registered but I'm very happy with the 1000bht.

I like to watch it going every step of the way.

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, Badrabbit said:

I'm fine with the 1000bht it's nice to track it all the way to Wolverhampton.

Yes DWP.

Had one a couple of years ago.

Registered post will also track it all the way to the point of delivery, but it's your money, not mine!

[Badrabbit]

1 minute ago, Moonlover said:

Registered post will also track it all the way to the point of delivery, but it's your money, not mine!

Not wrong mate.

 

[cowellandrew]

On 1/25/2025 at 11:39 AM, Moonlover said:

HMRC sent you a life certificate? That's a first! 

 

Ok, I'm teasing you, you obviously mean DWP. Next time use registered mail. Just as reliable and a quarter of the cost. Switching to an on line procedure is under discussion by DWP. They are aware that they loose millions of pounds a year paying out pensions to dead folks around the world.

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/dwp-mistakenly-pays-500-million-30758112

[Andycoops]

On 1/25/2025 at 4:42 PM, Badrabbit said:

Has any one received one of these, got it today, eventually got it signed at Chalong Police Station.

Cost 1000bht to send this back to HMRC, surely in this day and age they should have an online form, oh well done now.

Didn't know where to post this so it's here.

I received mine on Friday and it's from DWP not HMRC.

 

They are sent out randomly about every 2 years in my experience.

[Muhendis]

I sincerely hope the UK  DWP can find a way to confirm that I am still alive without sending me a bit of paper once every year. EMS is very hit n'miss here in Buriram. A few years ago my pension was stopped because the life certificate never arrived from DWP. I keep a copy of it in my computer now so I can print it, get it signed and post it off to them every March without any delay. They seem to be quite content with that.

[Moonlover]

29 minutes ago, Muhendis said:

I sincerely hope the UK  DWP can find a way to confirm that I am still alive without sending me a bit of paper once every year. EMS is very hit n'miss here in Buriram. A few years ago my pension was stopped because the life certificate never arrived from DWP. I keep a copy of it in my computer now so I can print it, get it signed and post it off to them every March without any delay. They seem to be quite content with that.

 

Your wish might just be their command!

 

‘Life certificates’ sent to UK pensioners living abroad, including in France, could be moved online'.

 

Many providers already do have on-line life confirmation. DWP are behind the times.

 

https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/proof-of-life-certificates-may-go-online-for-uk-pensioners-in-france/104888

 

 

[Muhendis]

12 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

Your wish might just be their command!

 

‘Life certificates’ sent to UK pensioners living abroad, including in France, could be moved online'.

 

Many providers already do have on-line life confirmation. DWP are behind the times.

 

https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/proof-of-life-certificates-may-go-online-for-uk-pensioners-in-france/104888

 

 

I note the bit where it says "could be moved online". This has been under discussion for years.  The UK government really has no idea how to go about it. Perhaps they can take a look at banking security methods and use OTP's etc. I notice they have no problem in communicating with me by email so they really can use computers for communication if they have to.

 

"The DWP said it had no further information at this stage when we asked about the possible timeframe, how a digital process might work for signatures, and whether it might be difficult for some elderly people who lack IT skills."

 

That's a false assumption. Anyone who has made it as far as Thailand is quite likely to have gone on line to make the journey and is quite familiar with using their smartphone for making purchases etc.

If the DWP were to adopt security methods similar to financial institutions there would be no need for a verification signature.

These people really are dumb. 

 

[ignis]

53 minutes ago, Muhendis said:

I sincerely hope the UK  DWP can find a way to confirm that I am still alive without sending me a bit of paper once every year. EMS is very hit n'miss here in Buriram. A few years ago my pension was stopped because the life certificate never arrived from DWP. I keep a copy of it in my computer now so I can print it, get it signed and post it off to them every March without any delay. They seem to be quite content with that.

 

That is a good idea, saves the expense and Hazzel of waiting on the phone for 45 + mins to UK

So say they send every 2 years,   in 10 years have only received 1 letter, the day it arrived re stamp mark was 14 months after posting  in UK !!!

Look on the Royal Mail website  normal surface mail to Thailand = allow 12 weeks.. 

 

Every time my pension stops must phone them + every time ask them to always send via email. but they never do.

 

It is that time again, so have a copy on PC so will print it out and send to them - hope no stoppage theis time 

 

 

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, ignis said:

 

That is a good idea, saves the expense and Hazzel of waiting on the phone for 45 + mins to UK

So say they send every 2 years,   in 10 years have only received 1 letter, the day it arrived re stamp mark was 14 months after posting  in UK !!!

Look on the Royal Mail website  normal surface mail to Thailand = allow 12 weeks.. 

 

Every time my pension stops must phone them + every time ask them to always send via email. but they never do.

 

It is that time again, so have a copy on PC so will print it out and send to them - hope no stoppage theis time 

DWP doesn't use Royal Mail for posting proof of life forms, as far as I know they use a reposting/forwarding service provided by a European country as it's cheaper.

[crazykopite]

I have a HMRC app that’s how they contact me have had it for a number of years now it allows me to check everything and if they need to contact me they use the App 

[Gottfrid]

On 1/25/2025 at 6:11 PM, Badrabbit said:

I'm not bothered about the 1000bht it's EMS so I can see it all the way to Wolverhampton.

I am, as it seems that they overcharged you. They have EMS World, which for documents cost 550 baht.

 

https://www.thailandpost.co.th/un/article_detail/article/11/8124

[msbkk]

17 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

I am, as it seems that they overcharged you. They have EMS World, which for documents cost 550 baht.

 

https://www.thailandpost.co.th/un/article_detail/article/11/8124

Is it still the same price, the article mentions prices starting year 2018...?

[Moonlover]

2 hours ago, Muhendis said:

I note the bit where it says "could be moved online". This has been under discussion for years.  The UK government really has no idea how to go about it. Perhaps they can take a look at banking security methods and use OTP's etc. I notice they have no problem in communicating with me by email so they really can use computers for communication if they have to.

DWP do not need to know how to go about it. They simply need to out-source the verification process to a company such as My Pension ID and they'll do it for them, digitally. It would probably same them millions of pounds each year in preventing pensions being paid out to dead people!

 

Many companies  and local governments already use this process. It takes me just 5 minutes using a mobile app to confirm to BAE SYSTEMS that I'm still alive.

 

https://mypensionid.co.uk/personal/

[Captain Flack]

I have changes the heading as the OP has stated it is about DWP life certificate.

[scorecard]

On 1/25/2025 at 4:42 PM, Badrabbit said:

Has any one received one of these, got it today, eventually got it signed at Chalong Police Station.

Cost 1000bht to send this back to DWP, surely in this day and age they should have an online form, oh well done now.

Didn't know where to post this so it's here.

 

What is a DWP certificate?

[Muhendis]

12 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

What is a DWP certificate?

DWP is initials for the UK government Department of Work and Pensions.

The certificate is a form sent out to pensioners living outside of the UK, for completion and return to the DWP so that they can be assured that the pensioner is still reasonably alive enough to enjoy such a wealthy gift of pension money from the UK government.

[Badrabbit]

19 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

What is a DWP certificate?

It's a life certificate, thay want to know that you are still alive and can still receive the Pension.

[Badrabbit]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

I am, as it seems that they overcharged you. They have EMS World, which for documents cost 550 baht.

 

https://www.thailandpost.co.th/un/article_detail/article/11/8124

Paid the same last year, thay said its express, good enough for me.

[Badrabbit]

5 hours ago, Andycoops said:

I received mine on Friday and it's from DWP not HMRC.

 

They are sent out randomly about every 2 years in my experience.

Yea that seems right, last one was about 2 years ago.

[Pdavies99]

They are sent out as and when to persons mainly living abroad, to see you are still with us, note if you do not send back they will stop payment until received and would then backdated the payments outstanding.

 

As a retired pension trustee I have signed countless of these for for colleagues, note it does not need a stamp etc, merely a recognised person to effect.

[Badrabbit]

3 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Paid the same last year, thay said its express, good enough for me.

Checking it looks like I have got EMS International express, anyway I'm happy with it.