ChatGPT agrees that more COVID vaccination --> more cases

[Red Phoenix]

Moments ago, ChatGPT assured me the COVID vaccines reduced COVID cases. So I uploaded the COVID cases data and asked ChatGPT to analyze it. It conceded that the shot increase your infection risk.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/chatgpt-agrees-that-more-covid-vaccination

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From ChatGPT:

 

 

In plain English, the more you vax, the more COVID cases you get.

This is precisely the opposite of what we were told by the health authorities.

 

Here’s a link to the full ChatGPT session  >  https://www.skirsch.com/covid/chatgpt/CDC_cases_analysis.pdf

 

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[Will B Good]

 

Probably due to the vaccine paradox....as the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race get vaccinated the numbers admitted to hospital will eventually outnumber the selfish one's who won't get vaccinated.

 

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

[Bday Prang]

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Probably due to the vaccine paradox....as the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race get vaccinated the numbers admitted to hospital will eventually outnumber the selfish one's who won't get vaccinated.

 

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

So as it really only ( allegedly) benefits those who agree to receive it, and does not prevent transmission the above sounds like a positive, The so called "stupid" people are actually doing the "more intelligent socially conscious" a big favour. They are not selfish they are making the ultimate sacrifice for the benefit of mankind.  

Three friends all vaxxed within weeks of each other (pfizer)    and now each one diagnosed with bowel cancer within weeks of each other. What a coincidence eh?

[Red Phoenix]

21 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Probably due to the vaccine paradox....as the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race get vaccinated the numbers admitted to hospital will eventually outnumber the selfish one's who won't get vaccinated.

 

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

 

Do take a moment and reflect a moment on what you just wrote.

#1 - You arbitrarily categorized the vaxxed as 'the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race'  and those that did opt not to get vaccinated as 'the selfish ones'. 

How is resisting the relentless social pressure, coercion and manipulation to get the shots an 'act of selfishness'?  

And why are you deemed more intelligent and socially conscious when you 'go with the stream'?

#2 - What you call a vaccine paradox is simply proof that the shots do NOT provide you with the protection that they claim, when the data indicate that the shots actually INCREASE your infection risk.  

Instead of the 'vaccine paradox' let's call a spade a spade, and call it the 'vaccine lie'. 

 

[cdemundo]

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So as it really only ( allegedly) benefits those who agree to receive it, and does not prevent transmission the above sounds like a positive, The so called "stupid" people are actually doing the "more intelligent socially conscious" a big favour. They are not selfish they are making the ultimate sacrifice for the benefit of mankind.  

Three friends all vaxxed within weeks of each other (pfizer)    and now each one diagnosed with bowel cancer within weeks of each other. What a coincidence eh?

"Three friends all vaxxed within weeks of each other (pfizer)    and now each one diagnosed with bowel cancer within weeks of each other. What a coincidence eh?"

 

Wow.

[Bday Prang]

4 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

"Three friends all vaxxed within weeks of each other (pfizer)    and now each one diagnosed with bowel cancer within weeks of each other. What a coincidence eh?"

 

Wow.

yes wow indeed, I was one of them, 

[Woke to Sounds of Horking]

38 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

 

 

[Bday Prang]

38 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Probably due to the vaccine paradox....as the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race get vaccinated the numbers admitted to hospital will eventually outnumber the selfish one's who won't get vaccinated.

 

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

so choosing to take it or not should be entirely a personal choice, 

[camper star]

I now wonder if President Trump will release the the medical report from the Veterans Administration regarding the side effects the soldiers may have or whatever the report leads too.

[sungod]

43 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

 

Not the lies they sold us at the time

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

 

 

bill gates "expert" ???  in "cut and paste" and other  totally irrelevant computer matters, what a pity clive sinclair died before he could advise us all, and why was alan sugar never mentioned? 

[Will B Good]

46 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So as it really only ( allegedly) benefits those who agree to receive it, and does not prevent transmission the above sounds like a positive, The so called "stupid" people are actually doing the "more intelligent socially conscious" a big favour. They are not selfish they are making the ultimate sacrifice for the benefit of mankind.  

Three friends all vaxxed within weeks of each other (pfizer)    and now each one diagnosed with bowel cancer within weeks of each other. What a coincidence eh?

 

Just that.....a coincidence.....very sad.

[Will B Good]

20 minutes ago, camper star said:

I now wonder if President Trump will release the the medical report from the Veterans Administration regarding the side effects the soldiers may have or whatever the report leads too.

 

Especially for the Gulf War syndrome !!!

[camper star]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Especially for the Gulf War syndrome !!!

I'm a Vietnam era Veteran that served in Thailand. USAF. We also have to worry and think about "Agent Orange". 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, camper star said:

I'm a Vietnam era Veteran that served in Thailand. USAF. We also have to worry and think about "Agent Orange". 

 

 

...and further back....atomic and nuclear bomb testing.......although most must have died by now, I assume the America soldiers, like British soldiers were used as guinea pigs????

[LosLobo]

So, let me get this straight: you're using a chatbot—not peer-reviewed science—to validate your anti-vaccine narrative? Feeding selective data into ChatGPT and claiming it ‘agrees’ with you is like shouting your own echo into a cave and calling it proof. If you want credibility, try citing actual epidemiologists instead of a Substack rant from a professional contrarian.
 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

I don't believe there is any truth to that, or any way to prove or disprove.

 

I personally believe the opposite.

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't believe there is any truth to that, or any way to prove or disprove.

 

I personally believe the opposite.

Independent evidence from governments, health organizations, and academic research consistently shows that COVID-19 vaccines dramatically reduce the risk of death and severe illness compared to being unvaccinated. This conclusion has been verified across different populations, age groups, and COVID-19 variants.

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Do take a moment and reflect a moment on what you just wrote.

#1 - You arbitrarily categorized the vaxxed as 'the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race'  and those that did opt not to get vaccinated as 'the selfish ones'. 

How is resisting the relentless social pressure, coercion and manipulation to get the shots an 'act of selfishness'?  

And why are you deemed more intelligent and socially conscious when you 'go with the stream'?

#2 - What you call a vaccine paradox is simply proof that the shots do NOT provide you with the protection that they claim, when the data indicate that the shots actually INCREASE your infection risk.  

Instead of the 'vaccine paradox' let's call a spade a spade, and call it the 'vaccine lie'. 

 

 

AI Chat-GPT

 

Yes, there is extensive independent evidence showing that COVID-19 vaccines significantly reduce the risk of death and severe illness. This conclusion comes from numerous studies conducted by governments, health organizations, and independent academic researchers worldwide. Here are some examples:

1. Government Data

• United Kingdom: Data from the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) consistently demonstrated lower mortality rates among vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals, even during waves of variants like Delta and Omicron. Vaccines were shown to reduce the risk of death by over 90% in fully vaccinated individuals against earlier variants.

• United States: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that unvaccinated individuals were 10–20 times more likely to die from COVID-19 compared to those who were fully vaccinated, based on surveillance data from across the U.S.

• Israel: Studies of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine during the Delta wave found that vaccinated individuals had a 93% lower risk of death compared to those who were unvaccinated.

2. Academic Research

• The Lancet (2021): Published meta-analyses showing vaccines were highly effective at preventing severe disease and death across all approved brands, even in elderly populations.

• New England Journal of Medicine (2022): Found that booster doses provided additional protection against mortality during the Omicron wave, particularly in vulnerable groups like the elderly and immunocompromised.

• Oxford University Study (2022): Showed that vaccinated individuals were significantly less likely to die from COVID-19 compared to unvaccinated individuals, with effectiveness remaining high even after accounting for age, underlying health conditions, and socio-economic factors.

3. Real-World Observational Evidence

• World Health Organization (WHO): Estimated that COVID-19 vaccines saved between 19–20 million lives worldwide in 2021 alone, based on modeling studies.

• Excess Mortality Studies: Countries with high vaccination rates consistently showed lower excess mortality rates during COVID-19 waves compared to countries with low vaccination rates.

• Case Studies: Countries like Portugal and New Zealand, which achieved high vaccination coverage early, experienced significantly lower death rates compared to countries with lower coverage.

4. Variant-Specific Data

• While vaccine effectiveness against mild infection has waned with variants like Omicron, protection against severe disease and death remains robust, especially with booster doses.

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Independent evidence from governments, health organizations, and academic research consistently shows that COVID-19 vaccines dramatically reduce the risk of death and severe illness compared to being unvaccinated. This conclusion has been verified across different populations, age groups, and COVID-19 variants.

They would be the same folks that originally said, vaccines prevent getting & spreading covid, and that mask will protect everyone.

 

Not a whole lot of trust there.

 

So the vax'd and death rate by age, or other illness at the time has no significance.

 

Along with all the unvax'd who didn't die or need hospitalization, or even knew they were infected, faired better because of not being vax'd.

 

No way to know who survived because the were vax'd or not, or who died because they were vax'd or not.

 

There is a bit of prove some died due to being vax'd, but a conversation for a different thread.

 

For this topic, there is no real way to prove or disprove.

[Will B Good]

Just now, KhunLA said:

They would be the same folks that originally said, vaccines prevent getting & spreading covid, and that mask will protect everyone.

 

Would they?

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

 

 

 

 

Nothing to do with my statement, so not sure why you went to the effort of digging that out and posting it????

[KhunLA]

I don't trust anyone to tell me what they think, or what happend.  I will rely on personal experience & observations.

 

My observations ...

... I know healthy people who were vax'd, and needed hospitalization

... I don't know anyone that wasn't vax'd and needed hospitalization.

... I know people vax'd and not vax'd, that stated they were infected, symptomatic of not, and recovered just fine.

 

So apparently, being vax'd had no advantage, and quite the contrary, as I know of 2 that died from the vaccine.

 

Your observations may differ.

[MangoKorat]

I am/was a vaccine supporter but now I'm not so sure.  I first got Covid in March 2020 - immediately after returning from Thailand so I almost certainly picked it up there.  Obviously there was no vaccine available then but despite having every vaccine offered, I've had it 4 times since, including spending my entire New Year ill with it this year. A bit of a bummer as I had just arrived in Thailand for 2 weeks.

 

We were told that the vaccine would not guarantee that we wouldn't get Covid but it would stop the disease affecting us as badly - this last bout has been the worst and longest lasting I've had.

 

I'll never know if I would have been even worse if I hadn't been vaccinated but I'm beginning to wonder if its worth the risks it carries - small as they are.

[billd766]

32 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

So, let me get this straight: you're using a chatbot—not peer-reviewed science—to validate your anti-vaccine narrative? Feeding selective data into ChatGPT and claiming it ‘agrees’ with you is like shouting your own echo into a cave and calling it proof. If you want credibility, try citing actual epidemiologists instead of a Substack rant from a professional contrarian.
 

I agree.

 

Where does ChatGPT get its information from?

 

https://www.scribbr.com/frequently-asked-questions/chatgpt-information/

 

Where does ChatGPT get its information from?
ChatGPT is an AI language model that was trained on a large body of text from a variety of sources (e.g., Wikipedia, books, news articles, scientific journals). The dataset only went up to 2021, meaning that it lacks information on more recent events.

It’s also important to understand that ChatGPT doesn’t access a database of facts to answer your questions. Instead, its responses are based on patterns that it saw in the training data.

So ChatGPT is not always trustworthy. It can usually answer general knowledge questions accurately, but it can easily give misleading answers on more specialist topics.

Another consequence of this way of generating responses is that ChatGPT usually can’t cite its sources accurately. It doesn’t really know what source it’s basing any specific claim on. It’s best to check any information you get from it against a credible source.

 

 

[jas007]

24 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Independent evidence from governments, health organizations, and academic research consistently shows that COVID-19 vaccines dramatically reduce the risk of death and severe illness compared to being unvaccinated. This conclusion has been verified across different populations, age groups, and COVID-19 variants.

That's assuming a believe that the official government statistics have some connection to reality. A dubious assumption, if you ask me.

 

What's more likely:  the COVID jabs destroy your immune system. The more you have been jabbed, the more screwed up you are.  That's the design of the things. Think depopulation. And don't forget the blood clots coroners keep pulling out of otherwise healthy young people who shouldn't have them.  

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I am/was a vaccine supporter but now I'm not so sure.  I first got Covid in March 2020 - immediately after returning from Thailand so I almost certainly picked it up there.  Obviously there was no vaccine available then but despite having every vaccine offered, I've had it 4 times since, including spending my entire New Year ill with it this year. A bit of a bummer as I had just arrived in Thailand for 2 weeks.

 

We were told that the vaccine would not guarantee that we wouldn't get Covid but it would stop the disease affecting us as badly - this last bout has been the worst and longest lasting I've had.

 

I'll never know if I would have been even worse if I hadn't been vaccinated but I'm beginning to wonder if its worth the risks it carries - small as they are.

 

A serious problem with national/global/wide spread events is the natural tendency to relate to personal experiences of your own and those close to you.......but those experiences have to be discounted and meta data and independent analyses must take precedent.

 

I have four kids all vaccinated, three never caught covid......those three lived in London. One has had covid five times and lives in the Yorkshire countryside, ergo, the countryside is the last place you want to be during an epidemic?

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

That's assuming a believe that the official government statistics have some connection to reality. A dubious assumption, if you ask me.

 

What's more likely:  the COVID jabs destroy your immune system. The more you have been jabbed, the more screwed up you are.  That's the design of the things. Think depopulation. And don't forget the blood clots coroners keep pulling out of otherwise healthy young people who shouldn't have them.  

 

And the perfectly health German guy who has had 225 covid vaccine injections.......???

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

A serious problem with national/global/wide spread events is the natural tendency to relate to personal experiences of your own and those close to you.......but those experiences have to be discounted and meta data and independent analyses must take precedent.

 

I have four kids all vaccinated, three never caught covid......those three lived in London. One has had covid five times and lives in the Yorkshire countryside, ergo, the countryside is the last place you want to be during an epidemic?

Personal knowledge & experience is all I trust.   That based on over 60+ years of lies, from about every govt and private entity I can think of.

 

Believe what you know, or what you're told ... UP2U

[Airalee]

5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

this last bout has been the worst and longest lasting I've had.

Ask your doctor if doubling up (or perhaps tripling up) on boosters is right for you.  
 

Think of how much worse it could have been.