6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Holy crap, Trump gets sh*t done.

Unfortunately the cr@p he is doing is all sh!t!

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

What I posted was forced relocation is a War Crime, not that it is currently happening. Looks as though trump has backed off a number of his comments due to international push back. Let's see how MAGA now react - Lol

So you decided to post the obvious although it was never threatened and not currently happening. How helpful. Bit like those others here calling it ethnic cleansing although its not.

 

Yes of course its not going to happen like that, it was never feasible but as I mentioned an opening shot, all options open.

 

 

 

A couple of baiting troll posts removed. 

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So you decided to post the obvious although it was never threatened and not currently happening. How helpful. Bit like those others here calling it ethnic cleansing although its not.

 

Yes of course its not going to happen like that, it was never feasible but as I mentioned an opening shot, all options open.

 

 

 

Correct. It's an opening shot but unfortunately those with the "syndrome that cannot be named" have no idea about Trump's negotiation modus operandi. Only thought in the radical liberal left's head is TRUMP BAD.

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Correct. It's an opening shot but unfortunately those with the "syndrome that cannot be named" have no idea about Trump's negotiation modus operandi. Only thought in the radical liberal left's head is TRUMP BAD.

Love it. The art of the deal. Setting the grass on fire so the rats appear and run.

 If the person suggesting this was not named Trump, and if it was anyone else other than Arabs of Gaza involved, the proposal would be described as generous, compassionate and brilliant.

 

North Gaza is uninhabitable. If people return, the area will not be able to be rebuilt quickly and without the same  issues as before with military installations embedded into residential areas, schools and hospitals.

 

Trump is not proposing a permanent move. It is temporary, to allow the rapid rebuilding and development of the area.

 

A multibillion$/Euro business has been built out of the chronic need for financial aid for Gaza. European aid agencies  make their livings from this as does UNRWA. An arab bureacracy and wealthy class depends  on the  flow of aid money. Much of the population does not work, not for the lack of opportunity, rather they are paid to sit around.   

 

The Trump proposal will break the dependency and give the opportunity of prosperity and self determination to the people of gaza.  The Trump plan also ensures that  the billions in aid will be used to buld a community and not finance  terrorism.

 

No arab nation will publicly support this because they are afraid  to, not because they think it is wrong. Every arab leader knows what happened to Jordan's king Abdullah  and Anwar Sadat when they were pragmatic. The Hamas millionaires will be opposed and Iran will fight the plan.

 

There is no ethnic cleansing and no war crime in the proposal.

5 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 If the person suggesting this was not named Trump, and if it was anyone else other than Arabs of Gaza involved, the proposal would be described as generous, compassionate and brilliant.

 

North Gaza is uninhabitable. If people return, the area will not be able to be rebuilt quickly and without the same  issues as before with military installations embedded into residential areas, schools and hospitals.

 

Trump is not proposing a permanent move. It is temporary, to allow the rapid rebuilding and development of the area.

 

A multibillion$/Euro business has been built out of the chronic need for financial aid for Gaza. European aid agencies  make their livings from this as does UNRWA. An arab bureacracy and wealthy class depends  on the  flow of aid money. Much of the population does not work, not for the lack of opportunity, rather they are paid to sit around.   

 

The Trump proposal will break the dependency and give the opportunity of prosperity and self determination to the people of gaza.  The Trump plan also ensures that  the billions in aid will be used to buld a community and not finance  terrorism.

 

No arab nation will publicly support this because they are afraid  to, not because they think it is wrong. Every arab leader knows what happened to Jordan's king Abdullah  and Anwar Sadat when they were pragmatic. The Hamas millionaires will be opposed and Iran will fight the plan.

 

There is no ethnic cleansing and no war crime in the proposal.

"Trump is not proposing a permanent move. It is temporary, to allow the rapid rebuilding and development of the area."

False

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza,” Mr. Trump said. “I heard that Gaza has been very unlucky for them. They live like hell. They live like they’re living in hell. Gaza is not a place for people to be living, and the only reason they want to go back, and I believe this strongly, is because they have no alternative.”

He suggested that nations in the region could finance the resettlement of Gazans to new places — perhaps “a good, fresh, beautiful piece of land” — that would provide better living conditions, either as a single territory or as many as a dozen. “It would be my hope that we could do something really nice, really good, where they wouldn’t want to return,” he said without offering details of what that would entail."

https://archive.ph/waJg0

Not a bad move for the USA.   Location for naval base, small air strip, along with all the oil off shore.

 

Win win 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Correct. It's an opening shot but unfortunately those with the "syndrome that cannot be named" have no idea about Trump's negotiation modus operandi. Only thought in the radical liberal left's head is TRUMP BAD.

Just curious to know who did Trump negotiate with when he laid out his Gaza takeover plan. 

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not a bad move for the USA.   Location for naval base, small air strip, along with all the oil off shore.

 

Win win 

Dont forget - all those who currently live there to be moved somewhere else (not the USA though);  the land to be bought and then owned by the USA and paid for by someone else (not the USA).  Though maybe when he said "WE will own it" he meant his rich friends rather than the USA?

 

PH

29 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Just curious to know who did Trump negotiate with when he laid out his Gaza takeover plan. 

 

 

Shouldn't be that hard of a task ... 

 

Gaza Strip ...

 

For reference, about the area of urban Pattaya, the land mass on the W side of Sukhomvit Rd / Hwy #3

 

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

 This proposition by Trump is about rebuilding Gaza with the assistance of neighbouring Middle East countries NOT making Gaza a US territory. 

False:

 "The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip," Trump said in a White House press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "We'll own it ... We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal ... the Riviera of the Middle East."

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/05/nx-s1-5287576/trump-gaza-takeover

21 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Dont forget - all those who currently live there to be moved somewhere else (not the USA though);  the land to be bought and then owned by the USA and paid for by someone else (not the USA).  Though maybe when he said "WE will own it" he meant his rich friends rather than the USA?

 

PH

With 'we' he means his company, most likely via a long term lease from Israel to secure a nice hotel.

Anything about palestinian rights on this forum-10 page thread.

 

anything about antisemitism in the west or hostages released by hamas - crickets

8 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Anything about palestinian rights on this forum-10 page thread.

 

anything about antisemitism in the west or hostages released by hamas - crickets

Eh?

 

 

9 hours ago, tony2times said:

Canadian then? The Natives can do what they want on their own Land, without the Europeans descending upon them and committing Genocide wouldn't you agree?

"The natives"... did not own the land, they took it from each other through war and conquest. As did the European colonists who came later. No difference. There was no collective "natives" who claimed the entire North American continent. There were tribes in areas who came and went, depending on the season and whether or not they were at war. 

 

I guess Mexico should give their country back to the Aztecs and Maya then. 

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False:

 "The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip," Trump said in a White House press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "We'll own it ... We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal ... the Riviera of the Middle East."

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/05/nx-s1-5287576/trump-gaza-takeover

You are making the cardinal mistake that so many make with Trump- you take him literally.  As famed investor Kevin O'Leary said, "you have to separate the noise from the message" with Trump. He is not doing anything other than stating a starting negotiation position. 

12 hours ago, tony2times said:

I'm with Iran

Well that's pretty obvious....

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You are making the cardinal mistake that so many make with Trump- you take him literally.  As famed investor Kevin O'Leary said, "you have to separate the noise from the message" with Trump. He is not doing anything other than stating a starting negotiation position. 

It's funny. People who support the Trump administrations current actions claim that since voters knew what he said, that means that they support what he's doing now.  Do you and they have some kind of magic wand to tell when he means it and when he doesn't?

As for it being a negotiating position...a position that is sure to antagonize the Arab world? A position that will make it harder to negotiate whatever it is he's looking to gain in the mideast. If it is a negotiating position, and unlike you I don't read Trump's mind, it's a remarkably stupid one. Well, considering the source, maybe not so remarkably.

Democratic Senator Fetterman

 

While Fetterman described President Donald Trump’s proposal for the U.S. to “take over” Gaza as “provocative,” he didn’t reject the idea outright. “It’s a provocative part of the conversation, but it’s part of the conversation, and that’s where we are,” he said. “The Palestinians have refused, or they’ve been unwilling to deliver a government that provided security and economic development for themselves. They allowed 10/7 to occur, and now Gaza has to be rebuilt. Where are the people going to live?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/democratic-senator-fully-supports-us-boots-in-gaza/

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's funny. People who support the Trump administrations current actions claim that since voters knew what he said, that means that they support what he's doing now.  Do you and they have some kind of magic wand to tell when he means it and when he doesn't?

As for it being a negotiating position...a position that is sure to antagonize the Arab world? A position that will make it harder to negotiate whatever it is he's looking to gain in the mideast. If it is a negotiating position, and unlike you I don't read Trump's mind, it's a remarkably stupid one. Well, considering the source, maybe not so remarkably.

Trump is a bullsh!tter of renown. He is a New Yorker. He is a real estate guy.  All three talk this way. It is standard negotiating to stake out a demand far in advance of what you are willing to settle for. The "magic wand" you need is called common sense. 

 

As for reading minds, how do you know it will antagonize the Arab world? Just as likely that their leaders secretly would welcome a solution to the Gaza problem that lets them get back to making money and stabilizing their own regimes. Hamas is an annoyance, but one that they have to tolerate publicly.

21 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"The natives"... did not own the land, they took it from each other through war and conquest. As did the European colonists who came later. No difference.

Except, of course, for the numerous treaties that the US signed with individual tribes which they (the US) then ignored.

 

PH

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump is a bullsh!tter of renown. He is a New Yorker. He is a real estate guy.  All three talk this way. It is standard negotiating to stake out a demand far in advance of what you are willing to settle for. The "magic wand" you need is called common sense. 

 

As for reading minds, how do you know it will antagonize the Arab world? Just as likely that their leaders secretly would welcome a solution to the Gaza problem that lets them get back to making money and stabilizing their own regimes. Hamas is an annoyance, but one that they have to tolerate publicly.

He's a failed real estate guy who torched the huge and profitable business his father left him. And spare us the cliches about how NY real estate guys talk, The competent businessmen in charge of the successful NY real estate business don't sound like loud ignoramuses when they speak. They are smart, sophisticated business people.

 

We know it will antagonize the Arab world because it will enrage the average Arab citizen of those nations.  And given that for Trump's proposal to work, he needs their active cooperation. And there could be nothing secret about that. Trump's proposal isn't about Hamas. It's about displacing 2 million people permanently. And given that Trump wants the Arab regimes public cooperation on other matters, how does this fantasy he's promoting help that?

Just now, Phulublub said:

Except, of course, for the numerous treaties that the US signed with individual tribes which they (the US) then ignored.

 

PH

Obvioiusly invalid treaties because the Natives currently occupying whatever piece of land was in question had stolen it from another tribe previously. They were occupiers, not owners.

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's funny. People who support the Trump administrations current actions claim that since voters knew what he said, that means that they support what he's doing now.  Do you and they have some kind of magic wand to tell when he means it and when he doesn't?

As for it being a negotiating position...a position that is sure to antagonize the Arab world? A position that will make it harder to negotiate whatever it is he's looking to gain in the mideast. If it is a negotiating position, and unlike you I don't read Trump's mind, it's a remarkably stupid one. Well, considering the source, maybe not so remarkably.

Agree.  

 

You don't start a negotiation with "Do what I want or I will beat you up" and then walk down to "OK, I will give you $100",  You start a negotiation with a reasonable (if highball) suggestion/offer. 

 

You do (if you are a bully) start an encounter with "Do what I want or I will beat you up".

 

Which one is Trump?

 

PH

 

21 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Agree.  

 

You don't start a negotiation with "Do what I want or I will beat you up" and then walk down to "OK, I will give you $100",  You start a negotiation with a reasonable (if highball) suggestion/offer. 

 

You do (if you are a bully) start an encounter with "Do what I want or I will beat you up".

 

Which one is Trump?

 

PH

 

I see. That is your experience in all the multi billion dollar negotiations YOU have been a part of?

On 2/5/2025 at 9:33 AM, simple1 said:

Unbelievable. Where will the 2 million plus Gazans relocate? If Jordon / Egypt agree to relocation after repeatedly declining to do so who's paying for infrastructure job creation etc etc. trump says if necessary he will send US military resources. Overall comes across as "look there" as a diversion to his domestic disruptions. Interesting times ahead, with likely more agony for the Palestinians. On a side note Israel has requested more armoured bulldozers from the US!

Where can they go? Very ‘simple', they are originally Arabs so to that area they originally came from.

Another trolling post removed making repetative misleading claims @Chomper Higgot

24 minutes ago, Peterphuket said:

Where can they go? Very ‘simple', they are originally Arabs so to that area they originally came from.

Exactly. There are 22 Arab countries with a combined population of nearly 500 million.  Sounds like a good place to begin. Why are they so reluctant to help their Gazan brothers and sisters?

10 hours ago, tony2times said:

You took one soundbite from the Collective Ethnic Cleansing of the Palestinian People and are trying to show that as proof???

The FACTS are that the Jews Murdered and Stole the Palestinians Land and Homes Committing Massacres against Unarmed Villagers

Just google "Tantura" You will see the Jews gloat about the Massacres themselves and that is just ONE Example of the Heinous crimes they Committed

This is what Wikipedia has to say about Tantura including some photos, and even Israelis were not believed when they tried to spread the news. Tantura was attacked on the night of 22–23 May 1948, Tantura was attacked by the 33rd Battalion of the Alexandroni Brigade part of the Haganah o the Israeli army.

 

However Haganah itself was a proscribed terrorist organisation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

 

Haganah (Hebrew: הַהֲגָנָה ha-Haganah, lit. 'The Defense')[a] was the main Zionist paramilitary organization that operated for the Yishuv in the British Mandate for Palestine.[2] It was founded in 1920 to defend the Yishuv's presence in the region, and was formally disbanded in 1948, when it became the core force integrated into the Israel Defense Forces shortly after the Israeli Declaration of Independence.