Missing British man found dead in Bangkok

[Straight8]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Why do people travel overseas without insurance?
Families have enough to deal with when a person dies away from home without having to fundraise to get a body home 

I leave instructions for NOK to have me cremains in place and scatter the remains wherever it happened, always leave them with the policy details 

Cause 'Go-Fundme' is free if things go wrong, insurance costs money.

 

The world has clued in.

[KannikaP]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

A local couple who encountered the British man there messaged his partner Maybin, mentioning that he had been out with friends that evening.

Why? How? They must have had access to his phone.

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Queue pages of sensational speculation by the expat armchair sleuths.....

With content similar to yours.. unnecessary

[Acharn]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

It's a tragic story.

However, why fundraising?

I imagine because their finances are like mine. They don't have any reserve for emergencies/accidents. No airline or shipping agency is going to transport his corpse for free. They need to find money somewhere to pay for it.

[newbee2022]

Just now, Acharn said:

I imagine because their finances are like mine. They don't have any reserve for emergencies/accidents. No airline or shipping agency is going to transport his corpse for free. They need to find money somewhere to pay for it.

Bank? Loan? or as urn? 

[bkk6060]

Terrible and sad.  Hope they find the truth.

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, KireB said:

insurance doesnt pay

Why the insurance shouldn't pay? 

[norsurin]

Sad for his kid and family.Anyway i really dont understand why no insurance.I know about a foreigner who had a motorcycle accident and no insurance.He cant leave Thailand before he pay the hospital.The amount is about 10 million baht .

[Spamhead]

47 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Possible that they want a UK coroner inquery. 

Maybe they do but they have no legal right to one. The only person to decide if a Coroners Inquiry is carried out is the cotoner themself.

[MangoKorat]

I wonder how those who made awful comments about what may have happend to this man in the thread reporting this man missing, feel now?

 

 

 

[Sheryl]

54 minutes ago, Letseng said:

This achieves what?

Peace of mind, hopefully. Thai autopsies are typically very uninformative, to say the least.

 

And if there was a life insurance policy, the manner of death (eg suicide vs accident/foul play)could determine whether or not it pays out.

[Sheryl]

14 minutes ago, Spamhead said:

Maybe they do but they have no legal right to one. The only person to decide if a Coroners Inquiry is carried out is the cotoner themself.

Fine, but historically corononers in UK have conducted inquiries on deaths of otherwise young and health people abroad, if the body was available to them to do so.

[kiwikeith]

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Perhaps, maybe, more than likely drug related. 

Drug administration by girl and robbed might be one theory 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, Leadidge said:

 

 

And you know this how? 

Reading the previous OP about this topic

[PomPolo]

18 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I wonder how those who made awful comments about what may have happend to this man in the thread reporting this man missing, feel now?

 

 

 

Why should anyone feel bad?  It is a freedom of speech forum unless you are a Labour MP? 

Also there was still a high possibility he could have turned up safe and well.

Most of the comments were optimistic and not pessimistic, the optimism may have used humour in some of them however I don't recall any of them wishing misadventure on him.

However agreed it is a very sad situation and thoughts towards his family and RIP James.

[SAFETY FIRST]

18 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Perhaps, maybe, more than likely drug related. 

Drug administration by girl and robbed might be one theory

Or administered by a ladyboy, another theory 

 

[connda]

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

It's a tragic story.

However, why fundraising?

I've never understood the Western obsession with repatriating dead corpses no less the massive expenses associated with doing so.  Maybe it's a Christian thing and I'm missing the point. As a Buddhist, cremate me where I lie and spread the ashes. Then if anyone want's to say nice things about me, hold a wake and have a party. I don't need to be around - I'm gone! A dead corpse?  Ain't nobody home, the house is permanently vacated. I've never understood.  Still don't.  Western perspectives regarding death are just morbid.

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

I've never understood the Western obsession with repatriating dead corpses no less the massive expenses associated with doing so.  Maybe it's a Christian thing and I'm missing the point. As a Buddhist, cremate me where I lie and spread the ashes. Then if anyone want's to say nice things about me, hold a wake and have a party. I don't need to be around - I'm gone! A dead corpse?  Ain't nobody home, the house is permanently vacated. I've never understood.  Still don't.  Western perspectives regarding death are just morbid.

I agree 100 %. Therefore I wouldn't give any cent for fundraising unless it's for an urn.

[Caldera]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The fundraiser, launched on February 3, has already amassed £21,000 (882,000 baht), shattering its initial £15,000 target in just hours.

 

Quite shameful to milk generous donors like that. They could cremate him here in Thailand and just repatriate the ashes, if they don't have the funds to repatriate his body.

[impulse]

4 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

....'ere we go again 

 

If I knew the guy, I'd be donating.  If only to extend condolences to the family and make them realize that he was highly thought of.  Not much different from spending money sending flowers to the funeral home, but a lot more practical.

 

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, connda said:

I've never understood the Western obsession with repatriating dead corpses no less the massive expenses associated with doing so.  Maybe it's a Christian thing and I'm missing the point. As a Buddhist, cremate me where I lie and spread the ashes. Then if anyone want's to say nice things about me, hold a wake and have a party. I don't need to be around - I'm gone! A dead corpse?  Ain't nobody home, the house is permanently vacated. I've never understood.  Still don't.  Western perspectives regarding death are just morbid.

 

Sheryl posited some possible (quite valid) reasons a few posts above yours. 

 

I'd agree if there was no question about cause of death and the circumstances, but is that the case this time?

 

[PomPolo]

Just now, impulse said:

 

Sheryl posited some possible (quite valid) reasons a few posts above yours. 

 

I'd agree if there was no question about cause of death and the circumstances, but is that the case this time?

 

I would agree with this and what Sheryl said however it is just a continuation of the lack of information available since this story surfaced so it is impossible to speculate why they would want his body back in the UK.

I agree with a couple of the previous posters, I haven't converted to Buddhism but rather than go back to England when my number is up from a personal perspective and I have already told a bunch of my friends here and family back home that is what I want, I would have enough money to repatriate myself or my close family could do it without expecting people to donate.

I want cremated and my Ashes scattered in Thailand which is a country I have ended up loving more than my own, and even though I wouldn't know about it would prefer to stay here.

Whatever reason has caused this sad event there are actually quite good medical professionals in Thailand that could probably tell immediately what has happened unless there is some completely unknown and sinister reason behind it.  RIP James

[Mattd]

53 minutes ago, Spamhead said:

Maybe they do but they have no legal right to one. The only person to decide if a Coroners Inquiry is carried out is the cotoner themself.

I don't know about a sudden death overseas of a UK citizen, however, if a person dies in the UK under these circumstances it is a legal requirement for a coroner's inquest to establish the cause of death.

After a bit of research, according to the Government info available on the web, there would usually be an inquest to establish the cause of death and the body cannot be cremated in the UK without a coroners certificate.

As Sheryl states, the post mortem examination here gives little to no info on the cause of death, in fact I know of one that stated that the cause was that the heart stopped and the person stopped breathing, not why that happened!

A UK post mortem would be factual and dare I say it, truthful.

 

RIP young man.

[norfolkandchance]

34 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I agree 100 %. Therefore I wouldn't give any cent for fundraising unless it's for an urn.

But don't forget. 'Just Giving' has also got to pay for a holiday for family and friends in Thailand.

[parallelman]

I mean no disresepect but sad events like this always makes me think of the 'One night in Bangkok' song. Like it or not that's the city's reputation. My condolenses to the family.

[Toby1947]

4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

It's a tragic story.

However, why fundraising?

Obviously no travel insurance 

[Kerryd]

Note there is NO actual details about his "death".
No date. No location. No circumstances. NO NEWS except for the copy/paste story in the original post.

He allegedly was last seen on the 20th. I seriously doubt he died and has been decomposing in his room for over 2 weeks without anyone noticing.

Also, a quick search found another group where someone who seems to have a lot of knowledge about his activities mentions he was actually seen on the evening of the 21st at ABUNdance Modern Fusion Club - which is a totally different place than the  Abandoned Mansion Bar & Restaurant.

That person said he was staying at the The Coach Hotel and checked out at 1pm on 22 Jan - and then says the hotel refused to check the CCTV.
(That guy seems to have some pretty intimate details about the guy's activities for some reason.)

And whenever you see one of these stories with NO details - but they've already had a "GoFundMe" type appeal set up - you have to wonder.

And surely if a dead Brit was found in Bangkok it would have made the LOCAL news long before it appeared - with GoFundMe link - in the news "back in Blighty" don't you think ?

Think about it. Normally a "foreigner" being found dead anywhere in the country makes the news, with media and cameras taking photos of the location the body was found and so on.

Yet almost ALL of these stories originate from English garbage media sites like the Sun and Mirror - with NO local news about them.

I've even queried Thaiger about incidents that supposedly happened in their back yard (Phuket) and there was NO news anywhere about it - except for the story copy/pasted from one of those lame sites in England that "pay people for their vacation horror stories".

And ALL of those stories have the SAME clues.
NO specific date. NO specific location. NO specific details about the incident. NO local news reports.
Nothing that can actually be researched or investigated to see if it's true.

Think about it.
An Indian gets pickpocketed by a ladyboy - it's headline news.
A Brit gets into a fight with bouncers on Walking Street - it's headline news.
A Russian gets into a scooter accident in Phuket - it's headline news.

But a missing Brit being found dead weeks after going missing ?
NO news at all ?

Just a convenient "GoScamYou" link in an article in a British media site.

If you can't see through the Kwaii khee then maybe you should get some glasses.

And keep in mind - this is not the first "news" story like this to be posted here.

They literally scan those Brit tabloids daily for any "Thailand horror stories" and then cut/paste them into Thaiger and ASEAN Now - often without mentioning where the story originated from (i.e. a British tabloid site).


Surely some of you have friends/relatives in Essex that could give the Sangwine family a call and ask when - and where - the funeral is.
After all, they've already scammed - er- "fundraised" more than enough to fly his body home so the funeral should be pretty quick - especially considering how long ago he may have died.

Wanna bet you don't get an answer ?

[PomPolo]

8 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Note there is NO actual details about his "death".
No date. No location. No circumstances. NO NEWS except for the copy/paste story in the original post.

He allegedly was last seen on the 20th. I seriously doubt he died and has been decomposing in his room for over 2 weeks without anyone noticing.

Also, a quick search found another group where someone who seems to have a lot of knowledge about his activities mentions he was actually seen on the evening of the 21st at ABUNdance Modern Fusion Club - which is a totally different place than the  Abandoned Mansion Bar & Restaurant.

That person said he was staying at the The Coach Hotel and checked out at 1pm on 22 Jan - and then says the hotel refused to check the CCTV.
(That guy seems to have some pretty intimate details about the guy's activities for some reason.)

And whenever you see one of these stories with NO details - but they've already had a "GoFundMe" type appeal set up - you have to wonder.

And surely if a dead Brit was found in Bangkok it would have made the LOCAL news long before it appeared - with GoFundMe link - in the news "back in Blighty" don't you think ?

Think about it. Normally a "foreigner" being found dead anywhere in the country makes the news, with media and cameras taking photos of the location the body was found and so on.

Yet almost ALL of these stories originate from English garbage media sites like the Sun and Mirror - with NO local news about them.

I've even queried Thaiger about incidents that supposedly happened in their back yard (Phuket) and there was NO news anywhere about it - except for the story copy/pasted from one of those lame sites in England that "pay people for their vacation horror stories".

And ALL of those stories have the SAME clues.
NO specific date. NO specific location. NO specific details about the incident. NO local news reports.
Nothing that can actually be researched or investigated to see if it's true.

Think about it.
An Indian gets pickpocketed by a ladyboy - it's headline news.
A Brit gets into a fight with bouncers on Walking Street - it's headline news.
A Russian gets into a scooter accident in Phuket - it's headline news.

But a missing Brit being found dead weeks after going missing ?
NO news at all ?

Just a convenient "GoScamYou" link in an article in a British media site.

If you can't see through the Kwaii khee then maybe you should get some glasses.

And keep in mind - this is not the first "news" story like this to be posted here.

They literally scan those Brit tabloids daily for any "Thailand horror stories" and then cut/paste them into Thaiger and ASEAN Now - often without mentioning where the story originated from (i.e. a British tabloid site).


Surely some of you have friends/relatives in Essex that could give the Sangwine family a call and ask when - and where - the funeral is.
After all, they've already scammed - er- "fundraised" more than enough to fly his body home so the funeral should be pretty quick - especially considering how long ago he may have died.

Wanna bet you don't get an answer ?

You are probably going to get a lot of feedback about this post but it was pretty much everything I said in my previous posts in the now unavailable thread.

I relented a little since it has been reported here also.

But still can't shake the amount of inconsistencies and lack of information available about this.

 

[barrybike]

Rip young man , hope the truth will come out what happened to him 

[Leadidge]

2 hours ago, harrymcgarry said:

maybe I said. 

 

Maybe means you’re taking a guess! For what reason?  Maybe it could be the FBI, maybe it could be aliens! Maybe!!!