In a nice and fair world Russia would not have invaded Ukraine.

And in a nice and fair world Russia should give back all the land they occupied and give reparations to Ukraine.

 

But this world is not fair.

Now Trump and Putin talk about economy and how to end this war and make some profitable deal for both leaders. And nobody asks Ukraine.

That is obviously not nice and not fair and all that. But at the end of the day who expects that this world is fair?

Is it better to have no war and maybe no Ukraine anymore?

 

I am interested how people will vote here, anonymous. 

Obviously, you can explain in a post how you voted and why. But you don't have to.

I think many of us want a fair solution. But at the end of the day how many of us know someone in Ukraine and really care?

What is your opinion?

 

Problem is that that Ivan won't stop there... Putler will just see it as a lull so he can regroup and rearm, to attack later and next stop is Moldova... probably after Trump's administration ends. The naievety of the West knows no bounds... bunch of morons.

Why should any Westerner care, Ukraine is not a democracy and both Zelenskyy and Putin are warmongers and are both responsible for the quagmire they’re in. Shut the door and let them have at it within the borders of the two countries if either one of them resist a solution.

12 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Moldova

I have to admit I had to look it up on a map.

I don't think many people know it and I guess very few will care about it.

So no other option except 'other' if you think RU is right in all of this.   Not much of a poll.

 

RU is bad

RU is bad

RU is bad

I don't know

I don't care

I agree. A very stupid set of choices.

 

I really don't care about Ukraine .But I also think that anything that weakens Russia is a good thing.

 

The Op should have had a choice that was about Gaza. Then I could also say that I don't care about that either.

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

So no other option except 'other' if you think RU is right in all of this.   Not much of a poll.

 

RU is bad

RU is bad

RU is bad

I don't know

I don't care

 

Thanks for your opinion.

Maybe explain to us why you think Russia is right. What do you suggest should be next. Total surrender from Ukraine? No sanctions against the good Russians anymore? Please tell us.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Thanks for your opinion.

Maybe explain to us why you think Russia is right. What do you suggest should be next. Total surrender from Ukraine? No sanctions against the good Russians anymore? Please tell us.

You mean again, for the 10th time ... I don't think so.

 

Go back to USAID pre-2014 along with NATO has always been the aggressor,

not RU ...

 

 

😎

13 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

Problem is that that Ivan won't stop there... Putler will just see it as a lull so he can regroup and rearm, to attack later and next stop is Moldova... probably after Trump's administration ends. The naievety of the West knows no bounds... bunch of morons.

I said I don't care in the poll, and I wasn't alone. I also don't care about Moldova or any other Eastern European **** **** country.

 

Even Putin isn't going to want Russia to be destroyed so he won't attack any NATO country.

 

Much ado about nothing IMO.

 

Now, bring on the attack posts, but as most will be on ignore attack away by all means, as I won't see them.

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

So no other option except 'other' if you think RU is right in all of this.   Not much of a poll.

 

RU is bad

RU is bad

RU is bad

I don't know

I don't care

 
Yes the way the questions are framed is very biased as normal on here. 

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Thanks for your opinion.

Maybe explain to us why you think Russia is right. What do you suggest should be next. Total surrender from Ukraine? No sanctions against the good Russians anymore? Please tell us.

  He only pointed out how biased your poll is.  Zelensky is unelected and elections banned - and you support this, right?  It's a border dispute that is none of America's business, but either way, Russia won from day one.

The reality is that Ukrainians living in the Russian areas will experience a higher GDP per capita and a better quality of life than those who live in the rest of Ukraine. 

 

That's not an endorsement of Putin.  I's a statement of fact, based on widely available data.  Russia's economy was better, and though it's corrupt, it's less corrupt than Ukraine.

 

It's like if the USA invaded Baja Mexico.  The inhabitants would see a massive improvement in their quality of life.  But that doesn't mean I advocate an invasion.

 

4 hours ago, bangadang said:

Zelensky is unelected and elections banned - and you support this, right?

 

Zelensky was democratically elected, it's not so difficult to confirm this.

And elections at war time don't make much sense, ask Churchill.

 

With post like yours I always wonder if people like you are just stupid and ignorant or if you do this on purpose.

 

 

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Zelensky was democratically elected, it's not so difficult to confirm this.

And elections at war time don't make much sense, ask Churchill.

 

With post like yours I always wonder if people like you are just stupid and ignorant or if you do this on purpose.

 

 

 

The previous president, democratically elected, was overthrown by CIA/USA. Zelensky term was finished, and so he is a dictator. The USA held elections during WW2 I think you are the dummie here and, actually, you are a bully.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Zelensky was democratically elected, it's not so difficult to confirm this.

And elections at war time don't make much sense, ask Churchill.

 

With post like yours I always wonder if people like you are just stupid and ignorant or if you do this on purpose.

 

 

More corrupt than 100 other nations

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/

1 hour ago, bangadang said:

 

The previous president, democratically elected, was overthrown by CIA/USA. Zelensky term was finished, and so he is a dictator. The USA held elections during WW2 I think you are the dummie here and, actually, you are a bully.

Leftists 

Why dont all you liberal fags that are ranting about this put your boots on and get cracking? Maybe you can turn up to the UK in a boat , with no papers , get a free house and then join Starmers barmy army that he wants to send...How about that?....

 

P.S : Send pics. 

38 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

More corrupt than 100 other nations

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/

And according to your "logic" it's ok to invade a corrupt nation. Interesting.

And let's not forget that Russia is also pretty corrupt.

So, what are the rules of a corrupt nation invading another corrupt nation?

21 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

In a nice and fair world Russia would not have invaded Ukraine.

And in a nice and fair world Russia should give back all the land they occupied and give reparations to Ukraine.

 

But this world is not fair.

Now Trump and Putin talk about economy and how to end this war and make some profitable deal for both leaders. And nobody asks Ukraine.

That is obviously not nice and not fair and all that. But at the end of the day who expects that this world is fair?

Is it better to have no war and maybe no Ukraine anymore?

 

I am interested how people will vote here, anonymous. 

Obviously, you can explain in a post how you voted and why. But you don't have to.

I think many of us want a fair solution. But at the end of the day how many of us know someone in Ukraine and really care?

What is your opinion?

 

Other, and why?  When the Soviet Union was considering breaking up and looked for guarantees from the US and others that the possible future independent republics would not be offered Nato membership, it was given.

 

One by one the former republics where offered Nato membership, you can read about it here, https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

 

Call Putin a dictator, insecure what ever, he has very good reason to not trust the west, have we forgotten the Cuban missile crisis? that started first when the US placed long range nuclear missiles able to reach Moscow in Turkey, Russia then did the same thing in Cuba, what we didnt hear about for years from the press or from the US government was the deal to pull out of Turkey if the Russians would pull theres out of Cuba.

 

Unfortunately Ukraine has been a pawn of the bigger player in this who for what ever reasons they had wanted to keep a bit of the Cold War going, no doubt Ukraine has there own issues and desires but by allowing themselves to jump into bed with a Nation that has shown countless times when the time comes they will just up and leave.

 

The deal was always going to be what ever the Russians took land wise they would keep with puppet governments in place, The idea that Ukraine was going to win, winning what ever was pure press and Nato propaganda, Love or Loath at least Trump may end the war, as the outcome would have always been the same no matter who was in charge.

43 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And according to your "logic" it's ok to invade a corrupt nation. Interesting.

And let's not forget that Russia is also pretty corrupt.

So, what are the rules of a corrupt nation invading another corrupt nation?

Both bad guys? You lefties ever thought of that?

I've been following talk shows and politics in my home country... High living costs - blame this war, expensive electricity - blame Putin, lack of affordable housing - it's the war! Country almost bankrupt and high debt - because of the Ukraine war, bad economy - just blame the war. Incompetent politicians - and yeah, blame the war in Ukraine .. 😵‍💫

3 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

I've been following talk shows and politics in my home country... High living costs - blame this war, expensive electricy - blame Putin, lack of affordable housing - it's the war! Country almost bankrupt and high debt - because of the Ukraine war, bad economy  - blame the war. Incompetent politicians - and yeah, blame the war in Ukraine .. 😵‍💫

 

 

That would be OK if your home country was Russia.................................but I suspect it isn't.

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

That would be OK if your home country was Russia.................................but I suspect it isn't.

 

No, it's not. And once that war is finally over, guess whom media and politicians will blame for all ills in society, economy, and politics - Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump... (And no, my country isn't the U.S. either.)

I don't personally care about Ukraine that much, but I do care about enabling a serial killing madman dictator like Putin. Trump can sympathize with him all he wants, and give away the store. That is what terrible and incompetent negotiators do. That's who he is and what he does, but that doesn't make it right for a nanosecond, and maniacs like Putin must be stopped.

 

We need to stand up to that superfreak, not cower and bend the knee, like the creep is now doing. 

 

 

To the winner goes the spoils.

 

No conflict in modern history has ended without the loser giving up major concessions/land. Why should (just as corrupt) Z/Ukraine deserve better?.

 

Breadbasket of Europe, lol. I'll gladly give up wheat bread.

 

The next great military alliance will ideally be the US, China and Russia, and it will make Europe and the UK its military and economic little bi__ch.. 

21 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

Problem is that that Ivan won't stop there... Putler will just see it as a lull so he can regroup and rearm, to attack later and next stop is Moldova... probably after Trump's administration ends. The naievety of the West knows no bounds... bunch of morons.

I have a work colleague from Moldova. Now it's personal.

14 minutes ago, Sandboxer said:

The next great military alliance will ideally be the US, China and Russia, and it will make Europe and the UK its military and economic little bi__ch.. 

I am not surprised anymore with just how round the bend, bonkers, that idea is. Or that MAGA heads would believe it. The US has been spinning off into zone insanity for 20 or 30 years now. Sooner or later the price of mass stupidity will have to be paid. This will end ugly.

 

The only real alliance is the one that already exists; Russia & China. They want nothing more than to get rid of the US as top dog. That is now within their reach as they have a fool they can play.

9 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I have a work colleague from Moldova. Now it's personal.

 

What you have to understand is what Putin wants, and that is the access points to the Russian interior that facilitate invasion, there are 7 of them... and Moldova is one of then, hence why Putin wants to go through Ukraine. There is another in the Causcuses, hence the Chechen/Georgia wars, another in the Baltics like Poland and Silwaki gap/Estonia etc.

During the Soviet time they controleed all of these places that you could drive an invasion force through, but lost them when the Soviet Union collapsed... why do you think the Russians are so interested in Trandsniestria and has troops there? It's all about securing these points and the Russians want the natural mountain barriers alongside them as defences, all they have to do is put a division in the gaps and good to go. Look at how easy historically it has been to invade Russia once you get to the vast open steppes etc... they don't like that.

Not really it's sad then many things are sad 6 million have died in the Congo in the biggest genocide since WW2 and no one really cares about that. I'm a Brit on an island with nukes. I would prefer if we stopped pretenidng we rule the world any more and looked after ourselves. Switzerland has done well by staying out of wars we could do the same. Let the water find it's own level in the slav lands far away, what will be will be.