A small government team regulating the sort of autonomous cars that Elon Musk says represent the future of Tesla, his car company, is getting cut nearly in half by the Musk-led U.S. Doge Service, according to people briefed on the reductions.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/doge-employee-cuts-fall-heavily-on-agency-that-regulates-musk-s-tesla/ar-AA1ztOIP

Trash article with no evidence other than trust me bro. 

31 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Trash article with no evidence other than trust me bro. 

 

No one so blind as those who don't want to see

The same sort of cars that Musk’s competitors are trying to build as well, yes?

 

So it was part of a flat 10 cut to the department. 

 

I heard that DOGE is looking into cuts in the IRS. The same IRS that reviews Musk’s tax returns. 

 

Weak, dishonest nonsense. 

12 hours ago, blaze master said:

Trash article with no evidence other than trust me bro. 

You miss the point. We shouldn't have to rely on "trust me bro" when musk says it. I can't believe that someone is so naive as to believe that conflict of interest rules aren't necessary.

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

The same sort of cars that Musk’s competitors are trying to build as well, yes?

 

So it was part of a flat 10 cut to the department. 

 

I heard that DOGE is looking into cuts in the IRS. The same IRS that reviews Musk’s tax returns. 

 

Weak, dishonest nonsense. 

Musk's competitors don't decide who's going to be fired.......

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

You miss the point. We shouldn't have to rely on "trust me bro" when musk says it. I can't believe that someone is so naive as to believe that conflict of interest rules aren't necessary.

 

Have the sources come forward.

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

The same sort of cars that Musk’s competitors are trying to build as well, yes?

 

So it was part of a flat 10 cut to the department. 

 

I heard that DOGE is looking into cuts in the IRS. The same IRS that reviews Musk’s tax returns. 

 

Weak, dishonest nonsense. 

No. If you had bothered to acquaint yourself with the facts you would know that musk is attempting to get approval for his so-called self-driving system from this agency. No other automobile makers are doing that. 

And your point about the IRS is even worse. Once again your airing your ignorance in public. The bide administration added lots of IRS agents specifically to review the tax avoidance and downright evasion practice by the very wealthy. A huge amount of income for the government is being missed currently. So there is an inherent conflict of interest there.

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

Have the sources come forward.

I don't think you understand why there are conflict of interest rules and such a thing as blind trusts. 

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RS21656.html

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't think you understand why there are conflict of interest rules and such a thing as blind trusts. 

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RS21656.html

 

Stop it. 

I guess the  OP does not understand how men like, for example, Sidney Hillman and Elon Musk operate in the context of the US government.

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No. If you had bothered to acquaint yourself with the facts you would know that musk is attempting to get approval for his so-called self-driving system from this agency. No other automobile makers are doing that. 

And your point about the IRS is even worse. Once again your airing your ignorance in public. The bide administration added lots of IRS agents specifically to review the tax avoidance and downright evasion practice by the very wealthy. A huge amount of income for the government is being missed currently. So there is an inherent conflict of interest there.

Facts not in evidence you mean?

 

So with half the staff, approval should take twice as long, yes? 

 

The IRS has nothing to do tax avoidance, that would be Congress, and I think tax evaders could be identified much more effectively than adding staff. 

 

Whai is a typical tax evasion strategy used by the very wealthy?

 

Tax evasion is illegal. That’s how they got Cohen to flip on Trump. Do you think Musk and or Trump are tax evaders?

8 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Facts not in evidence you mean?

 

So with half the staff, approval should take twice as long, yes? 

 

The IRS has nothing to do tax avoidance, that would be Congress, and I think tax evaders could be identified much more effectively than adding staff. 

 

Whai is a typical tax evasion strategy used by the very wealthy?

 

Tax evasion is illegal. That’s how they got Cohen to flip on Trump. Do you think Musk and or Trump are tax evaders?

Well if I remember correctly,  trump did lose his cases in NY over tax fraud didnt he? 

18 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I guess the  OP does not understand how men like, for example, Sidney Hillman and Elon Musk operate in the context of the US government.

First of all the Trump administration has been obfuscating about Elon Musk's role in DOGE. Trump says he's the head, others deny it. That will soon come to a head when a judge adjudicates the issue and the administration will be required to identify who heads DOGE.

But regardless of that, the ethical principle of conflict of interest does exist. And you, apparently, are incapable of understanding why it exists. 

Just now, Dan O said:

Well if I remember correctly,  trump did lose his cases in NY over tax fraud didnt he? 

Now, be fair. It was the Trump Organization that lost, not Trump. And while it's true that it was charged with 17 felony counts, it was only convicted of 17 of them.

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

A small government team regulating the sort of autonomous cars that Elon Musk says represent the future of Tesla, his car company, is getting cut nearly in half by the Musk-led U.S. Doge Service, according to people briefed on the reductions.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/doge-employee-cuts-fall-heavily-on-agency-that-regulates-musk-s-tesla/ar-AA1ztOIP

Good

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

First of all the Trump administration has been obfuscating about Elon Musk's role in DOGE. Trump says he's the head, others deny it. That will soon come to a head when a judge adjudicates the issue and the administration will be required to identify who heads DOGE.

But regardless of that, the ethical principle of conflict of interest does exist. And you, apparently, are incapable of understanding why it exists. 

OK, pick and choose your ethics. Trump/Musk are on firm grounds ethically and constitutionally under US Law.

 

I defy you to show us otherwise. Its laughable you preach "ethics" while applauding lawfare by your philosophical comrades

 

Its my tax dollars btw not yours being stolen.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Now, be fair. It was the Trump Organization that lost, not Trump. And while it's true that it was charged with 17 felony counts, it was only convicted of 17 of them.

yeah I guess when your the president and legal genius of Your Namesake company, the blame will always be shifted on to the company and staffers. 

16 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Facts not in evidence you mean?

 

So with half the staff, approval should take twice as long, yes? 

 

The IRS has nothing to do tax avoidance, that would be Congress, and I think tax evaders could be identified much more effectively than adding staff. 

 

Whai is a typical tax evasion strategy used by the very wealthy?

 

Tax evasion is illegal. That’s how they got Cohen to flip on Trump. Do you think Musk and or Trump are tax evaders?

Or the surviving half might be intimidated into giving him what he wants rather than lose their jobs, yes?

You're right about tax avoidance, but massively wrong about tax evasion. For years, the Republicans slashed the funding for the IRS. Tax evasion enforcement crashed.

 

Trump Organization fined $1.6m for ‘brazen’ tax fraud

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/13/trump-organization-fined-1-6-million-for-tax-fraud

 

IRS Said He Led the “Worst of the Worst” Tax Scams. Now He’s a Trump Adviser. 

https://truthout.org/articles/irs-said-he-led-the-worst-of-the-worst-tax-scams-now-hes-a-trump-adviser/

 

He Promised Huge Tax Refunds. Now Trump Wants Him to Lead the I.R.S.
Since leaving Congress in 2023, Billy Long has peddled a pandemic-era tax credit that the I.R.S. has warned is a magnet for fraud.

https://archive.ph/UPvu0#selection-683.0-687.130

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

OK, pick and choose your ethics. Trump/Musk are on firm grounds ethically and constitutionally under US Law.

 

I defy you to show us otherwise. Its laughable you preach "ethics" while applauding lawfare by your philosophical comrades

 

Its my tax dollars btw not yours being stolen.

Seems you are in need of lessons in ethics. The number of lawsuits open currently and the stays by the courts on several actions with Doge would say you are wrong and need to do some homework.  You preach lawfare on anyone opposing trump LEGALLY but you ignore his admitted confessions he was going after anyone that challenged him in his loss in the prior election or bad mouthed him and that's exactly what he's been doing as recently as yesterday in more firings in the pentagon and military chain of command. 

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

A small government team regulating the sort of autonomous cars that Elon Musk says represent the future of Tesla, his car company, is getting cut nearly in half by the Musk-led U.S. Doge Service, according to people briefed on the reductions.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/doge-employee-cuts-fall-heavily-on-agency-that-regulates-musk-s-tesla/ar-AA1ztOIP

Now isn't that a surprise?

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

OK, pick and choose your ethics. Trump/Musk are on firm grounds ethically and constitutionally under US Law.

 

I defy you to show us otherwise. Its laughable you preach "ethics" while applauding lawfare by your philosophical comrades

 

Its my tax dollars btw not yours being stolen.

Your claim about ethics is ludicrous. Unless you believe that conflict of interest rules and laws are somehow  unwarranted in government. 

 

As for the lawfare charge...William Barr tried that one on when he was Attorney General. He failed utterly.

 

 And of course you seem to be making an assumption that there is significant theft within the government. 

 

How can the tax dollars of a non-American like you be stolen?  Maybe you have a green card?

 

 

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Good

Another Musk fanboy.

46 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Stop it. 

Why?

 

Don't you like the truth when it is put in front of you?

7 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Seems you are in need of lessons in ethics. The number of lawsuits open currently and the stays by the courts on several actions with Doge would say you are wrong and need to do some homework.  You preach lawfare on anyone opposing trump LEGALLY but you ignore his admitted confessions he was going after anyone that challenged him in his loss in the prior election or bad mouthed him and that's exactly what he's been doing as recently as yesterday in more firings in the pentagon and military chain of command. 

Show me one lawsuit that will be sucessful. Pick one. The one you want. Show us how its a winner. You wont and cant. you dont even know how to cite.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Another Musk fanboy.

Yes he is doing a great job.

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Why?

 

Don't you like the truth when it is put in front of you?

 

3 people are making claims. They need to come forward. 

 

That's the truth or did you miss that part ? 

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Yes he is doing a great job.

You know this how? Just another faith-based comment. You might want to look at this:

https://archive.ph/t2oXf#selection-4813.0-4833.1

Just now, placeholder said:

You know this how? Just another faith-based comment. You might want to look at this:

https://archive.ph/t2oXf#selection-4813.0-4833.1

No I don't care. Keep whining for 4 years. Everybody is laughing at you.

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

3 people are making claims. They need to come forward. 

 

That's the truth or did you miss that part ? 

You are clearly incapable of understanding why conflict of interests laws and rules exist.