I'll give Zelensky the benefit of the doubt up until he made the "Nice ocean" comment. That was ridiculous and I'm not shocked that Trump lost his temper. 

 

"Don't you tell us how we will feel," said Trump. And it all went wrong from there. What possessed you, Zelensky. What possessed you? 

 

Watch it all but it gets spicy around half way through 

 

 

 

 

Shorter version. 

 

 

Vance's fault. The man is a tit who realises he's worse than the spare. Remember, when he was 8, his grandmother told him to go have sex with a man.

 

The President was taking a question from a Ukrainian journalist about neutrality; it was an understandable question/

 

The President was doing ok, talking about trying to keep neutral, all for world peace. He then moves on to the next question, move on.

 

But Vance interjects. The question wasn't even aimed at him, but he interupted the President, and pushed a few buttons. He did dismiss nearly 10 years of talks with Russia. Zelensky is human. I'm not even sure what Vance was supposed to  be doing except gurning for the cameras and fluttering his girlish eyelashes. Came over as a complete <deleted>.

 

He tried it on with Prime Mnister Starmer, trying to upset a congenial conversaton between two allies, with his nonsense about free speech, and trying to stir up the Apple story. Starmer was cleverer than him, and didn't rise to it. Starmer was a respected (genuinely) lawyer, and was clearly better prepared to head off the knob from Ohio, who's great claim to fame is writing a book about his crackhead whore of a mum, and how his grannie wanted him to be buggered by a man.

 

He was supposed to be the Tech Bro in the cabinet, regaling them all about the whizzy investments he has made (keeping quiet about the investment made in fetal stem cell research, because that will likely go down like a bag of sick), in a cabinet full of loyal but thick ideologues. He was going to rise above them. But then Musk turned up with his kid. The day before Starmer, there was the first  US cabinet meeting. The headlines were all about Musk, who is not a cabinet member, telling the cabinet about stuff. The Veep was silent.

 

Vance has a significant investment in AmplifyBio. AmplifyBio is a CRO; they carry out drug testing on behalf of the drug companies, using a mixture of primates and stem cells.

 

https://eu.dispatch.com/story/business/2021/05/05/battelle-investors-including-j-d-vance-launch-gene-therapy-startup/4935970001/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vance stirred it up. He loved it. I've seen guys like that love feeling clever. He's probably been feeling left out Musk has taken headlines. 

 

He's completely the wrong vice president to tame in Trump's nuttiness. Pence the previous Vice president did that, and reigned Trump in. Vance will just stir it some more. He plays the media game. 

 

Came to Europe lecturing about free speech, when his own boss has sued plenty of people for saying things about him, eg Bill Maher (go read up on it) - where was the free speech then ? 

 

Saying that Zalensky should have stayed quiet - as you cannot reason with idiots like this. 

Zelensky told them the truth, the West did nothing since 2014 as Putin has broken agreement after agreement. He can't be trusted.

That riled the running dogs of American imperialism who barked accordingly.

Just now, bannork said:

Zelensky told them the truth, the West did nothing since 2014 as Putin has broken agreement after agreement. He can't be trusted.

That riled the running dogs of American imperialism who barked accordingly.

Yep, the West did nothing in 2014 when Putin took Crimea.   Obama did a few trivial sanctions, and Europe was their usual feckless selves.  Putin is not leaving Ukraine unless he is forced out.   Who is willing to provide the boots on the ground to remove Russia from Ukraine?   Ukraine is outmanned.   Putin has no issue spending people to their deaths for his cause, and Putin knows the West has weak knees.    

16 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Came to Europe lecturing about free speech. 

 

Vance was correct. 

5 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

Vance was correct. 

Criticize Putin or his war in Russia and you're put in jail for years.

Unlike the West.

Vance talks nonsense.

 

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Criticize Putin or his war in Russia and you're put in jail for years.

Unlike the West.

Vance talks nonsense.

 

Are you saying free speech exists in europe?

Doesn’t matter what he said or if he wound them up, the response was an utter embarrassment for the US regime. That Vance is a gobshiite. Boys playing a man’s game.

3 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Are you saying free speech exists in europe?

Yes, a million times more than in Russia or China 

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

Yes, a million times more than in Russia or China 

But a million times less than the US. Vance was referring to that

The U.S. should totally back out and let Europe handle it Trump is trying too hard to be a hero.

 

 

2 hours ago, theblether said:

I'll give Zelensky the benefit of the doubt up until he made the "Nice ocean" comment. That was ridiculous and I'm not shocked that Trump lost his temper. 

 

"Don't you tell us how we will feel," said Trump. And it all went wrong from there. What possessed you, Zelensky. What possessed you? 

 

Watch it all but it gets spicy around half way through 

 

 

 

 

A/ Zelensky knew exactly what he was doing.

 

B/  Zelensky really is a comedian pretending to be a president and doesn't have a clue.

 

IMO.

5 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

The U.S. should totally back out and let Europe handle it.

I thought that was Trump's plan all along. He just wants the minerals and then Ukraine can go to the dogs, IMO.

History was made.

Very dark history.

This bully gang up attack was a trap totally planned in advance.

All decent Americans are deeply outraged and deeply embarassed but not necessarily surprised.

 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

History was made.

Very dark history.

This bully gang up attack was a trap totally planned in advance.

All decent Americans are deeply outrage and deeply embarassed but not necessary surprised.

 

Decent Americans want to stop funding this war

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I thought that was Trump's plan all along. He just wants the minerals and then Ukraine can go to the dogs, IMO.

Obama conducted a survey of the minerals during his tenure and concluded financially it wasn't worth extracting them.

6 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Decent Americans want to stop funding this war

Nothing decent about caving in to the mass murderer, Putin.

9 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Decent Americans want to stop funding this war

How would you know?

look at all these warmongers

Would anyone disagree that Zelensky wants NATO to declare war on Russia. 

 

Does anyone here agree that NATO should do so? 

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This bully gang up attack was a trap totally planned in advance.

 

You always throw out statements like this like they are fact. 

10 minutes ago, theblether said:

Would anyone disagree that Zelensky wants NATO to declare war on Russia. 

 

Does anyone here agree that NATO should do so? 

Straw man deflection.

Pick a side.

Never mind.

We all know which side you've picked.

12 minutes ago, hotsun said:

look at all these warmongers

The warmonger is Putin.

America is losing respect and friends around the world, and who is the winner? China, the country Americans have feared since it became a communist country.

 

China and Russia are loving Trump and Vance as they hand the world to them with out a fight, as the world watches America go down the drain.

 

 

12 minutes ago, theblether said:

Would anyone disagree that Zelensky wants NATO to declare war on Russia. 

 

Does anyone here agree that NATO should do so? 

I would disagree

11 minutes ago, hotsun said:

look at all these warmongers

Where's Putin, is he there in the Oval Office? I heard a TASS reporter was removed from there today 

32 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Decent Americans want to stop funding this war

Decent American presidents don't wildly exaggerate (LIE) the actual amount of funding, fail to acknowledge how much of it actually was spent in America, and lie about the nature of European aid claiming they were loans, not grants.

Decent American presidents don't try to pressure victims of aggressors to pay reparations to America, and not asking the aggressor nation to pay one ruple of reparations. 

Trump in a very short term has brought the international reputation of the U.S. as low as it's ever been and the damage is probably permanent. 

If he's not an FSB agent, he may as well be, because he's be the best one in Russian history.

6 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

America is losing respect and friends around the world, and who is the winner? China, the country Americans have feared since it became a communist country.

 

China and Russia are loving Trump and Vance as they hand the world to them with out a fight, as the world watches America go down the drain.

 

 

US will be fine. Anyone with a brain knows its Europe thats <deleted>