1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Imagine Kamala in charge. Hero to the left.

Ive imagined kamala as president. Its hilarious and sad

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

He spoke well. Zelensky is now begging for help on Fox. Zelensky lost that one. 

Our so called allies in Europe better take heed.

 

WE ARE DONE ALLOWING YOU TO STEAL FROM US. 

 

 

Best thing that could have happened. Expect Europe, etc. to up their support for Ukraine. Isolate those brain addled Americans with their tarrifs of their soon to be ex friends who back tyrants.

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

Best thing that could have happened. Expect Europe, etc. to up their support for Ukraine. Isolate those brain addled Americans with their tarrifs of their soon to be ex friends who back tyrants.

Europe is a failed empire. High unemployment while the US has the biggest military and the biggest economy. Germany is the biggest EU country and has 6.2% unemployment. Recently booted the leftist leader.

The de-evolution of the US---from a nation that once at least pretended to have values and ideals, and often behaved as if it did---into this self-serving, transactional, cold, immoral coward is astonishing. Some of us have gone into harm's way for what that nation used to be. Today, it is a nation totally unworthy of any sacrifice. When the US sides with the likes of dictator-run Russia, commie China, and the bizarre hellhole that is the DPRK, the USA that once knocked on the door of greatness has become a piece of sh!t.

 

At the very least it is time for productive States to secede, and leave MAGAstan to wallow in the rancid cesspool of its own design. MAGAstan can have its Coward King, a fat man jealous of a golfer's junk, a failure who barely survived a massive inheritance and loans co-signed by daddy until a fantasy creator named Mark Burnett manufactured something good enough to fool the moronic and forlorn masses, which is to say the MAGAs.

 

I feel the need to apologize to friends and colleagues I lost serving what once was. They gave their lives for nothing, and their land morphed into something despicable, something bleak and ugly, something that is against every ideal and value for which they fought.

 

How weak the country must have been that it could be destroyed by someone so banal, so mediocre, so without any character or integrity, so lacking in any decent human quality, a mendacious, juvenile, crybaby, vindictive, serial philandering, Narcissistic, misogynist, racist pile of subhuman filth. And those who champion him are no better; they are the morons predicted a hundred years ago by H. L. Mencken.

 

 

2 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Best thing that could have happened. Expect Europe, etc. to up their support for Ukraine. Isolate those brain addled Americans with their tarrifs of their soon to be ex friends who back tyrants.

bet ya the European people, groaning under the jackboot of their Socialist rulers in Brussels, are going to take a long look at their own circumstances.

 

I notice its mostly the loudest Socialists and National Socialists here rooting for Zelinsky.

 

9 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He spoke well. Zelensky is now begging for help on Fox. Zelensky lost that one. 

 

You should take a look at the FOX internet site. Yes, it isn't a news site, but Murdochs not full on with Trump tossing the Ukraine under Putins bus. That is noteworthy. 

Just now, Dcheech said:

 

You should take a look at the FOX internet site. Yes, it isn't a news site, but Murdochs not full on Trump tossing the Ukraine under Putins bus. That is noteworthy. 

Murdoch has hated Trump for decades.

35 minutes ago, steven100 said:

You are absolutely correct,   Trump thought he would get his way,  oh'  I'll invite Vance along so it's 2 on 1 

....  well,   Zelensky did a good job in telling them to f*#   off ...  

 

that Vance is a real idoit for sure.  

 

Vance is an idiot, but the seating was similar for foreign leaders

 

 

Fascinating differences in body language. Macron, while obviously trying to butter up Trump, tries to dominate the room, mansplaning more than Trump, who is doing a good job at that as well. Mansplaning is a primative instinct to display one's genitals, to project big <deleted> and Alpha Maleness. Several times Macron lead the shake of the hands, grasping Trumps right arm with his left. Starmer sits back in his seat, leg crossed, not dominating. The handshake is lead by Trump. Starmer manages at one point a rather limp, awkward left hand shake.

 

Notice Rubio sitting forward to acknowledge Macron speaking, Vance takes no notice of him.

 

Obviously, the best dressed man in the room was Macron. I think the American President actually fancies him. Veey different with Starmer. If Starmer really is getting his suits made for him, he's getting a bad deal, because they look M&S. Trump still has no idea how to wear a tie. Someone need to introduce him to the clipon.

 

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

The de-evolution of the US---from a nation that once at least pretended to have values and ideals, and often behaved as if it did---into this self-serving, transactional, cold, immoral coward is astonishing. Some of us have gone into harm's way for what that nation used to be. Today, it is a nation totally unworthy of any sacrifice. When the US sides with the likes of dictator-run Russia, commie China, and the bizarre hellhole that is the DPRK, the USA that once knocked on the door of greatness has become a piece of sh!t.

 

At the very least it is time for productive States to secede, and leave MAGAstan to wallow in the rancid cesspool of its own design. MAGAstan can have its Coward King, a fat man jealous of a golfer's junk, a failure who barely survived a massive inheritance and loans co-signed by daddy until a fantasy creator named Mark Burnett manufactured something good enough to fool the moronic and forlorn masses, which is to say the MAGAs.

 

I feel the need to apologize to friends and colleagues I lost serving what once was. They gave their lives for nothing, and their land morphed into something despicable, something bleak and ugly, something that is against every ideal and value for which they fought.

 

How weak the country must have been that it could be destroyed by someone so banal, so mediocre, so without any character or integrity, so lacking in any decent human quality, a mendacious, juvenile, crybaby, vindictive, serial philandering, Narcissistic, misogynist, racist pile of subhuman filth. And those who champion him are no better; they are the morons predicted a hundred years ago by H. L. Mencken.

 

 

Your America hating National Sociliast philosophy is again displayed. I wonder how many times you have paraded on an overpass with the National Socialist Banner in the USA. 

5 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Best thing that could have happened. Expect Europe, etc. to up their support for Ukraine. Isolate those brain addled Americans with their tarrifs of their soon to be ex friends who back tyrants.

The only chance the US has for survival is to suffer horribly from the policies and actions of the clown it elected.

 

Let the markets crash and take the losers' 401Ks. Let UE soar to double digits. Let international markets be closed to US goods and services. Let Americans become international pariahs. Let a depleted intel community be overrun by terrorists who do damage that makes 9-11 seems like a fender bender. Let MAGAs feel what their false hopes brought on. Let the remaining decent nations of the world sit back with popcorn, laughing at the suicide the US inflicted upon itself.

 

Only then might rationality return and the MAGA nightmare be flushed down the toilet of history, and the US could get back on its noble work-in-progress goal of a more perfect union.

15 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He spoke well. Zelensky is now begging for help on Fox. Zelensky lost that one. 

Zelensky showed he has class.

3 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Vance is an idiot, but the seating was similar for foreign leaders

 

 

Fascinating differences in body language. Macron, while obviously trying to butter up Trump, tries to dominate the room, mansplaning more than Trump, who is doing a good job at that as well. Mansplaning is a primative instinct to display one's genitals, to project big <deleted> and Alpha Maleness. Several times Macron lead the shake of the hands, grasping Trumps right arm with his left. Starmer sits back in his seat, leg crossed, not dominating. The handshake is lead by Trump. Starmer manages at one point a rather limp, awkward left hand shake.

 

Notice Rubio sitting forward to acknowledge Macron speaking, Vance takes no notice of him.

 

Obviously, the best dressed man in the room was Macron. I think the American President actually fancies him. Veey different with Starmer. If Starmer really is getting his suits made for him, he's getting a bad deal, because they look M&S. Trump still has no idea how to wear a tie. Someone need to introduce him to the clipon.

 

Vance is 40yo. No idiot. Macron is a tryhard drama queen like all French men, Keir looks weak. Zelensky arrogant man who plays up to msm.

 

 

Just now, stevenl said:

Zelensky showed he has class.

Dresses like a boxing trainer and talks like he's punch drunk. No class there. 

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

250,000 Ukrainians joined the Nazis in ww2. 

There was a SS "Galicia" Division too.

 

National Socialism liked Ruthenians/Galicians/Ukrainians because of their racial usefulness and willingness to butcher jews.

4 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Vance is an idiot, but the seating was similar for foreign leaders

 

 

Fascinating differences in body language. Macron, while obviously trying to butter up Trump, tries to dominate the room, mansplaning more than Trump, who is doing a good job at that as well. Mansplaning is a primative instinct to display one's genitals, to project big <deleted> and Alpha Maleness. Several times Macron lead the shake of the hands, grasping Trumps right arm with his left. Starmer sits back in his seat, leg crossed, not dominating. The handshake is lead by Trump. Starmer manages at one point a rather limp, awkward left hand shake.

 

Notice Rubio sitting forward to acknowledge Macron speaking, Vance takes no notice of him.

 

Obviously, the best dressed man in the room was Macron. I think the American President actually fancies him. Veey different with Starmer. If Starmer really is getting his suits made for him, he's getting a bad deal, because they look M&S. Trump still has no idea how to wear a tie. Someone need to introduce him to the clipon.

 

well said ,   body language is important at these high level meetings,   the thing is once the somber atmosphere turns and starts to get awkward and anger step in,  body language has lost and anger takes over.  

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

Only then might rationality return and the MAGA nightmare be flushed down the toilet of history, and the US could get back on its noble work-in-progress goal of a more perfect union.

The "88" future.

 

Copying my toilet of history imagery?

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Notice Rubio sitting forward to acknowledge Macron speaking, Vance takes no notice of him

Vance is looking at the person asking the question. Rubio looks nervous.

Well, that interview with the news press was the build-up. Trump and Vance threw Zelenski out of their private meeting and cancelled his invitation to the WH. Telling Zelenski that when he is ready to have peace he can request another audience with the President. Selenski outright stated he is not ready to try to end the war. 

He wants to get more money and weapons instead. 

The Dems are outraged and the Republicans are delighted haha.... 

But let's face it. This ongoing war has been supported and kept at bay by the Biden admin and has cost Americans billions of dollars with no benefit to them or to a man who makes excuses why they will not have elections. Seems being at war is the perfect excuse to remain a dictator nowadays. 

as for Trump being the mouthpiece or Russia? I seriously doubt this is the case here. I think Russia has given Trump their version of a peace settlement and Zelenski dies not like it. 

 

I have always believed that WAR makes a country richer.  Reduces population and increases self production. WAR makes money everywhere. Zelenski is using this war to keep himself in power and has relied on the US Biden admin to aid him. It is time the US stands up and says no more. All the US help only caused losses that will not be reimbursed. The war began when Zelenski tried to join NATO. Which would have effectively allowed weapons from NATO into their country and on the borders of Russia as a threat. REminds me of the Cuban missile crisis many years ago when Russia tried to use Cuba as a weapon to threaten the US.

2 minutes ago, thesetat said:

The war began when Zelenski tried to join NATO. Which would have effectively allowed weapons from NATO into their country and on the borders of Russia as a threat

Look at a map.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Look at a map.

Ukraine, unless under the heel of a foreign power, is Russian. Always was.

Good to see that ungrateful, arrogant little tit from Ukraine being shown up for what he is. Time to end all the handouts, Trump was right, without the billions the USA has given him the war would have been over in days. Time to end the slaughter, Ukraine cannot win, or defend itself without the USA. Making a deal was his best way out, now he's blown it.

 

7 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Well, that interview with the news press was the build-up. Trump and Vance threw Zelenski out of their private meeting and cancelled his invitation to the WH. Telling Zelenski that when he is ready to have peace he can request another audience with the President. Selenski outright stated he is not ready to try to end the war. 

He wants to get more money and weapons instead. 

The Dems are outraged and the Republicans are delighted haha.... 

But let's face it. This ongoing war has been supported and kept at bay by the Biden admin and has cost Americans billions of dollars with no benefit to them or to a man who makes excuses why they will not have elections. Seems being at war is the perfect excuse to remain a dictator nowadays. 

as for Trump being the mouthpiece or Russia? I seriously doubt this is the case here. I think Russia has given Trump their version of a peace settlement and Zelenski dies not like it. 

 

I have always believed that WAR makes a country richer.  Reduces population and increases self production. WAR makes money everywhere. Zelenski is using this war to keep himself in power and has relied on the US Biden admin to aid him. It is time the US stands up and says no more. All the US help only caused losses that will not be reimbursed. The war began when Zelenski tried to join NATO. Which would have effectively allowed weapons from NATO into their country and on the borders of Russia as a threat. REminds me of the Cuban missile crisis many years ago when Russia tried to use Cuba as a weapon to threaten the US.

Well said.

26 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He spoke well. Zelensky is now begging for help on Fox. Zelensky lost that one. 

No he is not.

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Zelensky showed he has class.

 

By turning up looking like a tramp and being belligerent and obstinate?

1 minute ago, proton said:

Good to see that ungrateful, arrogant little tit from Ukraine being shown up for what he is. Time to end all the handouts, Trump was right, without the billions the USA has given him the war would have been over in days. Time to end the slaughter, Ukraine cannot win, or defend itself without the USA. Making a deal was his best way out, now he's blown it.

 

True. The leftist msm won't say that though.

Trump before the election .. I will end the war in 24 hours.. How?.. wait and see it never would have started if I was president..How give Putin Ukraine'.. end of timeline and American credibility 🤔

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

On top of that he put Tulsi Gabbard a known Putin boot licker to head the U.S. intelligence agency. Allies (correction -- FORMER allies) will not be sharing key intelligence with the U.S. anymore with the rational fear that it will be leaked to the Kremlin.

Very scary times indeed.

 

A known Putin boot licker? Just because Horrible Hillary said so? 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

This is for all the right wing supporters of Israel who who back Trump when it comes to Ukraine. 

"Imagine if, when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel came to the White House this month, Trump and Vance told him that the war with Hamas had gone on too long, too many lives had been lost and it was costing America too much money, so it was time for Bibi and the Israeli people to do a deal with the Hamas aggressor.

Because Russia did to Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022, what Hamas did to Israel on Oct. 7, 2023 — a surprise invasion, murder and the ensuing sexual violence to wreak destruction on another nation and its society. Trump took Bibi’s side 110 percent against Hamas, and now he is taking Putin’s side 110 percent against Zelensky and Ukraine."

https://archive.ph/0R3B0

 

Actually the case is even worse since, unlike Russia, Hamas never had a chance of destroying Israel

 

 

 

 

Imagine. 555

President Zelenskyy's response was  understandable. Vance was intent on insulting Ukraine and in making  the Ukrainians grovel. That is not diplomacy, nor the appropriate methodology to encourage a nation to accept  terms and conditions that dismiss the  human losses Ukraine has suffered. Trump was not presidential. What he said was best said behind closed doors. The manner in which Zelenskyy was treated and the Ukraine insulted made it impossible for Zelenskyy to accept any terms imposed by the USA.

 

The takeaway, is that every US ally, including those who think they have an iron clad guarantee from the USA, countries like Japan, South Korea, Australia and Israel had better think again. The USA is not a reliable or trustworthy partner and can no longer be  considered anything more than a potential business market.

 

If Zelenskyy has the connections, now is the time he should enter into an agreement with China to develop his mineral wealth. Linked up with China, there would be a near monopoly on rare earth metals. He could charge the USA the prices it merits. The same goes for every other economy. If anyone needed a clear message that the USA is not a friend, nor an ally, it was given by the Trump and Vance outbursts.

 

Let the tariff madness begin next week, and oh, how the US  economy will suffer. A large number of the people who voted for Trump are finding out now, More will find out in the coming months.