15 hours ago, riclag said:

Even  a blind Black Man could see the worth Of America the beautiful .

Ray Charles sang America the beautiful 

before the second game of the World Series  in 2001.A little over a month after Terrorist hit the World Trade Center .

 

24 years later the only ones willing to save Tradition , country  and the republic ,are the people and the one, they elected.

 Special shout out to the haters , the terrorist supporters  , you’re losers than & now.

God Bless America !

 

 

 

It is not the "left" which is destroying/changing/reshaping the world as we know it

It is one egomaniacal undereducated RW bloated clown and his self interested acolytes.

He cannot hold a thought beyond the span of a goldfish, so his advisors are the most dangerous and self interested

Read some J Hirschfeld Davis or Michael Shear to get an insight into the psychopathy of the incumbent of the Oval Office   

3 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

Ray was one of the greatest singers ever.

Unmistakeable voice.

A genius and timeless as they come.

 

And a junkie. He rode the white horse while writing at performing at his peak.

 

And how sick that a MAGA cult member would refer to a man addicted to opioids. Sick because the MAGA collective wants to punish such people, and even to publicly execute them. No treatment, no compassion, but harsh punishment. And then along comes some MAGA  cult member to sing a recovering addict's praise.  Sick indeed. 

 

4 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

Ray was blind.

It appears you are deaf.

And it appears that you are hiding behind typical MAGA deliberate ignorance.

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And it appears that you are hiding behind typical MAGA deliberate ignorance.

It was a joke mate,lighten up.

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's only natural for non Americans to be jealous.  They always have been.

You have the world's highest prison population. 40% of you are classed as obese, 70% are overweight. Mass shootings are a matter of routine. Our medication costs are a small fraction of yours.  As an Australian, my average life expectancy is almost 6 years longer than yours.

 

Please tell me what I have to be jealous of, I'm all ears.

 

PS- you also make crappy cars.Only good for driving in a straight line.

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Have you ever been to America?  It's not a homogeneous place, if I can use that term.  There are over 300 million people in America, and just as many "Americas."  People immigrated there from all over the world, including many Europeans. They brought with them ideas and talent and money from just about everywhere.  And they were educated.

This is about as false as any historical generalization can be. Actually the people who came to America in the heyday of immigration were mostly poor people fleeing the vastly unequal societies of Europe. Scots feeling the enclosure laws, Germans fleeing conscription, religious persecution, and limited agricultural opportunities, the Irish fleeing famine and the miserable status inflicted on them as Catholics by the British, Jews fleeing persecution and unequal treatment, Slavs fleeing their general miserable economic status and so on.  It was in America that they got educated and that was due to the influence of the Founding Fathers who strongly promoted public education. When de Tocqueville came to America he was astonished by the high level of literacy he found among most Americans, not just the wealthy.

15 hours ago, Walker88 said:

He said Saturday, "100% we will take Greenland; using military force if necessary".

Have you got the link to where he actually said those words, phrased like that?  

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Have you got the link to where he actually said those words, phrased like that?  

HIs quote isn't correct but here's one that is:

 

“We’ll get Greenland. Yeah, 100%,” Trump said, adding that there is a “good possibility that we could do it without military force” but that he wouldn’t “take anything off the table.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-nbc-interview-greenland-tariffs-signal?srsltid=AfmBOoqftDnEpQVOMaMcv3NpRQwXDcw-3nORheR-bINJJScf4boK1Gnx

 

Do you see a substantive difference?

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

12 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Have you got the link to where he actually said those words, phrased like that?  

HIs quote isn't correct but here's one that is:

 

“We’ll get Greenland. Yeah, 100%,” Trump said, adding that there is a “good possibility that we could do it without military force” but that he wouldn’t “take anything off the table.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-nbc-interview-greenland-tariffs-signal?srsltid=AfmBOoqftDnEpQVOMaMcv3NpRQwXDcw-3nORheR-bINJJScf4boK1Gnx

 

Do you see a substantive difference?

Yes, I do, and I know that his quote was not correct, that's why I asked him for a link. 

 

There's a big difference between saying that a country "will be taken using military force if necessary" and what Trump has actually said.  Similar words but they have different meanings with entirely different intent.

37 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, I do, and I know that his quote was not correct, that's why I asked him for a link. 

 

There's a big difference between saying that a country "will be taken using military force if necessary" and what Trump has actually said.  Similar words but they have different meanings with entirely different intent.

Big difference? Really? Trump claims it's 100% certain that the US will acquire Greenland. He refuses to rule out using military force. So if peaceful means prevail, what other means remain? Why refuse to rule out military force?

EDIT: Should have written "if peaceful means don't prevail"

Pure fiction. The so-called "left" is a mythical creation of right-wing fanatics who cling to outdated political ideas which have little bearing on modern conditions. The "far-left" are nothing but a bunch of "New Dealers".  No more leftist than the FDR administration. Republicans are adept at creating "demons" who are supposedly sending America straight to Hell. Ignore them and move forward.

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Before for the current group of nutcases (Lefties)

Those lefty Americans are idiots.

And so are the righty Americans.

 

Terrible place, no sense of community, argumentative morons with every second person sprouting off conspiracy theories.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

He inspired white & black people together, as Americans.

He played at the GOP convention  , his style of play made for  real hope for unity . But the left would have none of that so radicals came on the scene in

the form of Black Lives Matter.
 

 

https://andscape.com/features/ray-charles-america-the-beautiful-is-our-best-hope-for-bringing-us-together/

 

 

 

Yes, indeed, riclag, part of the genius of Ray Charles was that he combined white country and western music with R&B, he was not above singing white country and western songs. None of that hatred of whites some Rappers today have. Which is ironic of course because in Ray Charles day blacks really had it much worse, segregation was a real thing. It is almost as if as the better people have it, the more full of hatred and evil they become. It was the same with my Thai gf, she had everything she wanted living with me, did not have to do any work, was looked after and all her bills were paid and she hated me for it, hated her life.

2 hours ago, UWEB said:

Why all the US Americans ( America is a Continent) and non US American believe in something non existing like Gods and similar? May be that is causing all the trouble for them as waiting for something what never has existed.

Wackos believe anything.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Some used slave labor but many didn't, and stopped it. Slave labor is now higher than ever before, and Thailand has a huge part of it.

Where can I buy one?
And how much?

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

How much inbreeding do you actually think happens there?

Too much Fred. Too much.

 

 

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Too much Fred. Too much.

 

 

Is that a family video?

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Is that a family video?

Yep, an American family.

Which state ya all from Freddy?

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Yep, an American family.

Which state ya all from Freddy?

New Jersey, Texas, then here.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

my Thai gf, she had everything she wanted living with me, did not have to do any work, was looked after and all her bills were paid and she hated me for it, hated her life.

Where did you guys meet?

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, indeed, riclag, part of the genius of Ray Charles was that he combined white country and western music with R&B, he was not above singing white country and western songs. None of that hatred of whites some Rappers today have. Which is ironic of course because in Ray Charles day blacks really had it much worse, segregation was a real thing. It is almost as if as the better people have it, the more full of hatred and evil they become. It was the same with my Thai gf, she had everything she wanted living with me, did not have to do any work, was looked after and all her bills were paid and she hated me for it, hated her life.

Ray is a favorite movie of mine.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, indeed, riclag, part of the genius of Ray Charles was that he combined white country and western music with R&B, he was not above singing white country and western songs. None of that hatred of whites some Rappers today have. Which is ironic of course because in Ray Charles day blacks really had it much worse, segregation was a real thing. It is almost as if as the better people have it, the more full of hatred and evil they become. It was the same with my Thai gf, she had everything she wanted living with me, did not have to do any work, was looked after and all her bills were paid and she hated me for it, hated her life.

When people hate themselves, it makes it hard for them to love anyone.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

How would you know if half the Americans hate the other half?

What is this OP about?

 

Now pull your head in.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

What is this OP about?

 

Now pull your head in.

Someone thinking the left wants to destroy America, which isn't true. My question stands.

16 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Pure fiction. The so-called "left" is a mythical creation of right-wing fanatics who cling to outdated political ideas which have little bearing on modern conditions. The "far-left" are nothing but a bunch of "New Dealers".  No more leftist than the FDR administration. Republicans are adept at creating "demons" who are supposedly sending America straight to Hell. Ignore them and move forward.

Your opinion is irrelevant!

 

35 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is about as false as any historical generalization can be. Actually the people who came to America in the heyday of immigration were mostly poor people fleeing the vastly unequal societies of Europe. Scots feeling the enclosure laws, Germans fleeing conscription, religious persecution, and limited agricultural opportunities, the Irish fleeing famine and the miserable status inflicted on them as Catholics by the British, Jews fleeing persecution and unequal treatment, Slavs fleeing their general miserable economic status and so on.  It was in America that they got educated and that was due to the influence of the Founding Fathers who strongly promoted public education. When de Tocqueville came to America he was astonished by the high level of literacy he found among most Americans, not just the wealthy.

I think your timeline perhaps needs to be adjusted?  You seemed to have left out at least 100 years. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitutional Convention and all that (the formation of the American Republic) took place well before the "heyday of immigration" you're talking about that began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.  That's when most of my relatives showed up.  Like yours, I would suspect.  The idea that was America existed from the beginning. 

 

I'm not too sure about my mom's mother's side of the family. I saw one photo of some of them once, taken in upstate New York sometime around 1850 or 1860. English and French Canadian and German.  How and when they came to North America, I'm not sure.  My mom's father? Italian. From Calabria. His father immigrated to the US in the late 1880s, to work as a kid. The Erie Canal or maybe on the railroad.  He returned to Italy and later brought back an entire family around 1900 or so.  A wife and five kids. I think all of the kids died as millionaires, back when a million dollars was a lot of money.  So, from poor in Calabria to wealthy and  very well educated in America. Not bad.  Harvard Law. MIT, that kind of education.  Give people an opportunity, and they'll take it. That was America. 

 

On my father's side, all Italian. Rome for my father's father and Sicily for my father's mother. They met in America. Lots of uncles and cousins from that side of the family, and they all did very well in America. I'll skip the details, but again, you probably couldn't make that kind of progress anywhere else in the world. 

 

 

37 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Big difference? Really? Trump claims it's 100% certain that the US will acquire Greenland. He refuses to rule out using military force. So if peaceful means prevail, what other means remain? Why refuse to rule out military force?

EDIT: Should have written "if peaceful means don't prevail"

Yes, big difference between what some poster here claims he said and what he actually said.  He did not say that he will take Greenland using military force if necessary.  

Is now a good time to remind MAGA cult members that the Trump fortune got its start in Canada where Trump patriarch Friedrich Trumpf ran a brothel aka whorehouse hotel? Trump crossed the border much like the migrants his grandson now condemns and  profited from the proceeds of pandering and pimping. He was eventually forced out as the RCMP was told to put an end to such amoral activity. He returned to Germany and then  went to the USA.

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/trump-family-fortune-began-in-a-canadian-brothel-hotel/

 

In effect Canada  has been the  birthplace of much US wealth. And the US  responds with a lack of gratitude. Chrysler, Edison, and Musk, Walt Disney, Warner Brothers, Louis B. Mayer,  and others. Even  MAGA  idols like Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson have their origins in Canada. It is sort of like what  Jimmy Carter's brother about white southerners all having an Nword in the woodpile and that's why one shouldn't be predjudiced against afro americans..

 

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, big difference between what some poster here claims he said and what he actually said.  He did not say that he will take Greenland using military force if necessary.  

But logically speaking, since it's 100% certain that the US will acquire Greenland  there is no other possible conclusion to draw. Of course he could be lying. Just as he could be lying if he said what was claimed he said. Or maybe not even lying, just shooting off his mouth in the usual way

6 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I think your timeline perhaps needs to be adjusted?  You seemed to have left out at least 100 years. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitutional Convention and all that (the formation of the American Republic) took place well before the "heyday of immigration" you're talking about that began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.  That's when most of my relatives showed up.  Like yours, I would suspect.  The idea that was America existed from the beginning. 

 

I'm not too sure about my mom's mother's side of the family. I saw one photo of some of them once, taken in upstate New York sometime around 1850 or 1860. English and French Canadian and German.  How and when they came to North America, I'm not sure.  My mom's father? Italian. From Calabria. His father immigrated to the US in the late 1880s, to work as a kid. The Erie Canal or maybe on the railroad.  He returned to Italy and later brought back an entire family around 1900 or so.  A wife and five kids. I think all of the kids died as millionaires, back when a million dollars was a lot of money.  So, from poor in Calabria to wealthy and  very well educated in America. Not bad.  Harvard Law. MIT, that kind of education.  Give people an opportunity, and they'll take it. That was America. 

 

On my father's side, all Italian. Rome for my father's father and Sicily for my father's mother. They met in America. Lots of uncles and cousins from that side of the family, and they all did very well in America. I'll skip the details, but again, you probably couldn't make that kind of progress anywhere else in the world. 

 

 

Large scale Scottish immigration, which I mentioned began in the late 17th century but really took off early in the 18th century. And even before that, many immigrants came as indentured servants. They worked for x number of years to pay off the cost of passage without any remuneration. 

Indentured servitude in British America was the prominent system of labor in the British American colonies until it was eventually supplanted by slavery.[1] During its time, the system was so prominent that more than half of all immigrants to British colonies south of New England were white servants, and that nearly half of total white immigration to the Thirteen Colonies came under indenture.[2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude_in_British_America

These were obviously not wealthy, educated people.