1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

So you think Trump should spend spend to keep bull market going 555

 

How dumb can you be 

The markets and the usa economy was doing just fine until the bull entered the china shop and dumbly screwed it up...all he had to do was shut up play golf and grab a few gals by the pxxxy and let the economy and markets continue to grow and then brag about it was all his doing.....but he was too dumb to do that and now we have a great big giant worldwide pile of steaming concepts from the criminal con man grifter and all of his cult members trying to come up with some bs about what a brilliant biz man.

 

Just be patient and one of these years maybe the economy will boom...it will as soon as the dems retake power like it has always done in the past when they come in and clean up all those steaming piles the repubs leave behind....don't belive me do your own research from clinton days to present....

4 minutes ago, pomchop said:

The markets and the usa economy was doing just fine until the bull entered the china shop and dumbly screwed it up...all he had to do was shut up play golf and grab a few gals by the pxxxy and let the economy and markets continue to grow and then brag about it was all his doing.....but he was too dumb to do that and now we have a great big giant worldwide pile of steaming concepts from the criminal con man grifter and all of his cult members trying to come up with some bs about what a brilliant biz man.

 

Just be patient and one of these years maybe the economy will boom...it will as soon as the dems retake power like it has always done in the past when they come in and clean up all those steaming piles the repubs leave behind....don't belive me do your own research from clinton days to present....

It was smoke and mirrors. Endless debt growth had to be fixed.

2 hours ago, hotsun said:

You should keep your posts short, is the only way anyone would read them

If @Walker88 wrote a thick book, I'd read it.  I can listen to people who know what they're talking about all day long.
 

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Also stated 'hand in there', which is the sad part, as he actually thinks people care, or see the long game.  They don't, and don't care.   Why it will all fail miserably, very fast.  Even worse, nothing will have time change for the good, and people don't want to sacrifice at all, short or long term, for the benefit of future.

 

 

There's no mechanism to fix trade deficits in the short term so people will be waiting for many years for factories to reopen and even if they do that's no guarantee it will be cheaper than China, unless they heavily use robotics (they will) so in this case less blue collar work than he may think.

 

If he doesn't back down at best this will be a transfer from American consumers to American businesses and labor. It's not going to be an across the board win for everyone by any means.

27 minutes ago, pomchop said:

The markets and the usa economy was doing just fine

 

No it wasn't. Legendary traders predicted a correction for years. It was an open secret that shares were overvalued.

4 hours ago, impulse said:

Anyone who believes that digging out of a $35 trillion dollar hole is going to be easy or painless (or take less than a few election cycles) is just fooling themselves. 

 

Or, more accurately, being sold a bill of goods in anticipation of the next election.  By purveyors of free money if you vote for me.

 

Just to quit digging deeper is going to require sacrifices.  But you gotta start sooner or later.  I'd prefer 10 years ago, but that's not the way that time works.  The best we can do is start today.

 

(And thank God we dodged that bullet in November)

 

Brilliantly translated!

 

We live in a world with Socialist, Communist, Capitalist and Terrorist!

I know who helps butter my bread!

 

 

31 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

It was smoke and mirrors. Endless debt growth had to be fixed.

Not the way this lunatic is doing it.

2 hours ago, hotsun said:

You should keep your posts short, is the only way anyone would read them

The only thing  worthy of admitting .

“You’ve chosen to ignore content by

They / Them ,options”.

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Definitely possible ... IF ... you had intelligent voters, but now, only sheeple.   

 

IF you had intelligent voters, you wouldn't need to fix anything, as you wouldn't have ...

... $36T national debt

... trade deficits

... service oriented workforce

... outsourced manufacturing of most products

... the govt as the largest employer (2+M employees)

... defense budget being more than half of the 'discretionary spending'

You are talking total rubbish. Take a look at the similarity with other countries around the world. You will understand everything when Trump have gone on for 2 year more. Wont be easy to pick up the pieces of the former US then.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

There's something fascinating about a nation voting for a man whose so full of lies and nonsense. It's extraordinary really.

 

 

Serve, but not as real combatant's, they were kept away from front line service, too emotionally unstable. Trump had the balls to kick these mental patients out.

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Will Trump succeed?  I'd like to think so, but I'm probably more of a realist. The forces allied against him are massive, and the established economic order will not simply disappear.

If you had asked Putin in the spring of 2022 if he anticipated that Russia would lose almost all gas sales to Europe as a result of his 'special military operation', do you think he would have agreed?  Oil exports have been similarly affected.

For the full year of 2024, Gazprom reported a net loss of 1.076 trillion rubles (approximately $12.89 billion USD) under Russian Accounting Standards (RAS).  That must be hard coming from a country so reliant on gas and oil exports.

Russia's precedent has shown that economic order on a massive scale can change, and shows every sign of being permanent.
 

JD Vance:

“What I’d ask folks to appreciate here is that we are not going to fix things overnight,” Vance added. “Joe Biden left us—this is not an exaggeration, Lawrence—with the largest peacetime debt and deficit in the history of the United States of America, with sky-high interest rates. You don’t fix that stuff overnight.
 

If it aint broke don’t fix it idiom is  in play!

It’s broke , Its broke !

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jd-vance-tells-paycheck-paycheck-143404812.html

13 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

If you had asked Putin in the spring of 2022 if he anticipated that Russia would lose almost all gas sales to Europe as a result of his 'special military operation', do you think he would have agreed?  Oil exports have been similarly affected.

For the full year of 2024, Gazprom reported a net loss of 1.076 trillion rubles (approximately $12.89 billion USD) under Russian Accounting Standards (RAS).  That must be hard coming from a country so reliant on gas and oil exports.

Russia's precedent has shown that economic order on a massive scale can change, and shows every sign of being permanent.
 

Russia is Russia, and yes, they underwent some change.  But that's far from the scale of change that would be necessary to upend the entire order of the wold, which is about what Trump is trying to do.

25 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

You are talking total rubbish. Take a look at the similarity with other countries around the world. You will understand everything when Trump have gone on for 2 year more. Wont be easy to pick up the pieces of the former US then.

Why would I look or care about other socialist sh!thole countries that don't even have 'freedom of speech or expression'.

 

Talk about rubbish ... BYE BYE

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Russia is Russia, and yes, they underwent some change.  But that's far from the scale of change that would be necessary to upend the entire order of the wold, which is about what Trump is trying to do.

I agree that the magnitude of change for Trump is bigger.  Putin was betting that nothing would change for his exports but lost spectacularly.

Similarly, I think Trump will also suffer the error of his judgement spectacularly but the scale of his errors will cause long-standing suffering and hardship to billions - directly or indirectly - and will take a very long time to be corrected.
 

Very quaint for a billionaire and his billionaire friends like Musk, and his super rich cronies like Navarro and Bessner asking Americans to relax, take a deep breath and watch their Investments drop in value, while they carry on with this insanity. Trump now holds the distinction of being the only president in American history to inherit a bull market and crash it within less than 90 days. 

 

Don't worry people were taking care of you, we are really really smart men, working for the smartest man in the room, and we won't let anything bad happen to you, we assure you of that. 

 

All right if you guys are really convinced that all of this is going to work out fine, how about a personal guarantee to reimburse average Americans for money that they've lost if this doesn't work out? Oh I forgot, that would be a profile in courage wouldn't it? 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Why would I look or care about other socialist sh!thole countries that don't even have 'freedom of speech or expression'.

 

Talk about rubbish ... BYE BYE

See, now the real nature came out of the real US citizen, right? All other countries are socialist sh!thole countries. What a pleasant dude you´re, and such a great representative for your country. 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was a mistake to mention that life isn't going to be easy. Western people have grown used to "easy" and have no capacity to accept things being "not easy". Generations without a real war or a depression have created a population grown soft and lazy. The sheeple want to know what is in it for them, not some hard times to build a better future.

 

IMO Trump's real battle will come not from the Dems and the liberals, but from the GOP, panicked by a possible loss in the vote box, which will put self interest ahead of the country and defeat Trump's program to remake the US.

So, back to the rotten, corrupt system which will just delay the inevitable crash till later.

Agree about westerners being idle… it started with the entitled boomer gen.

Trump is of that irrelevant group and doesn’t give a monkeys since he is rich and has one foot in the grave already. He just wants to shake it up to satisfy his own fragile pissant ego. 

22 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

See, now the real nature came out of the real US citizen, right? All other countries are socialist sh!thole countries. What a pleasant dude you´re, and such a great representative for your country. 

 

He's probably not an American. Just a persona he's created while living out his final days.

24 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

See, now the real nature came out of the real US citizen, right? All other countries are socialist sh!thole countries. What a pleasant dude you´re, and such a great representative for your country. 

Compare ?  what ... apples & orange ?  No other country is like the USA.   It's a democratic republic, with electoral college, that elects/appoints the administrative branch (pres & vp), no matter what the popular vote is.

 

In the USA ...

 

... You have freedom of speech / press

... You are innocent till 'proven' guilty

... You can own & use a firearm to protect you & yours

 

I'm far from a representative of that country, as don't consider myself an ignorant idiot.   Apparent ~90% of the people are still dependent on 'the system'.   Have no clue how to be independent of it.

 

 

I left 25 yrs ago, and could give 2 sh!ts what happens over there, as it simply has NO EFFECT on me or mine.

 

You were the first 'pleasant dude' to call my opinion (actually all facts) ...

... rubbish.  Why I rarely bother to have discussions with ignorant people such as yourself.

 

BYE BYE

 

 

35 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Why would I look or care about other socialist sh!thole countries that don't even have 'freedom of speech or expression'.

 

Talk about rubbish ... BYE BYE

Given the Trump administration's recent crackdown on not just freedom of speech but a person's right to counsel, it doesn't look any better  at all.

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

See, now the real nature came out of the real US citizen, right? All other countries are socialist sh!thole countries. What a pleasant dude you´re, and such a great representative for your country. 

Well said!

1 hour ago, IsaanT said:

I agree that the magnitude of change for Trump is bigger.  Putin was betting that nothing would change for his exports but lost spectacularly.

Similarly, I think Trump will also suffer the error of his judgement spectacularly but the scale of his errors will cause long-standing suffering and hardship to billions - directly or indirectly - and will take a very long time to be corrected.
 

At this point, no one really knows how it will play out.  You can guess, but that's all it would be. A guess. 

 

My guess:  if everything starts to go bad, Trump will alter his course.  Or perhaps, congress will step in.  You can. bet that between congress and the Fed and the other Central Banks round the world, no one is going to sit back and watch indefinitely while the system goes up in smoke.  Things don't work that way. 

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Why would I look or care about other socialist sh!thole countries that don't even have 'freedom of speech or expression'.

Which countries are you referring to?

28 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Which countries are you referring to?

I don't know, start with the higher income tax countries that rape the earners to give to and support the lazy folks that don't produce.  

 

When you start taking near half, half or more than hold of people's income, then the USA's tax rates are looking good 

 

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/eu/top-personal-income-tax-rates-europe/

 

Countries that control every aspect of your life.

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't know

If you do not know which countries you were referring to I will take that to mean that your previous post was a lie re 50 countries pleading for discussions..

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

If you do not know which countries you were referring to I will take that to mean that your previous post was a lie re 50 countries pleading for discussions..

Don't know where I stated 50 countries, and a bit of a lie, stating I did.   I stated 'high tax' countries, ~50% or more.

 

I didn't see 50 countries with that tax bracket.  Matter of fact, there's only about 35 countries listed below the map.  Even all of those aren't in the 50% range.

 

BYE BYE

1 hour ago, rough diamond said:

Which countries are you referring to?

 

The socialist republic of the UK surely? 

Just now, proton said:

 

The socialist republic of the UK surely? 

Thank goodness my question was not directed at you if that is the best response you have to a serious post.

 

6 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Thank goodness my question was not directed at you if that is the best response you have to a serious post.

 

 

You don't seem to know what is going on in the UK these days, 6 police arrested a women last week for a whats app post about her kids school, years in prison for being at a demo and shouting at the police, if you are white of course, when you will be labelled a far right bigot just for being there.