Trump’s Battle Isn't Against Democracy—It’s Against the Power Brokers Who Claimed It

[Briggsy]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

If you don't want to know what the deep state is, don't ask. Simples.

 

And there is nothing funny about being on the factual side of issues. You might want to try it one day?

Go on then, name some names. Out these deep state folks.

[ericbj]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I can’t find it on The Hill either.

 

I looked out of curiosity as to the author of this opinion piece is.

 

 

 

This may help:

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5245624-deep-state-shock-trump-pursuit/

[merck]

9 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Who is the Washington establishment? Who are the elites? Who is a member of the oligarchy? Who are 'the entrenched'? Who are the 'cloistered elite'? Who are the deep state? Do they have names?

 

Who are these "alternative media platforms that command public trust"? Truth Social?? X??

 

What a crock, an absolute crock.

 

This ridiculous high school magazine article simply feeds upon the reader's suspicion of things they don't know about. It is totally childish. The only bunch they didn't mention was "The Illuminati".

Well, if there was an elite pulling the strings in the background, they would hardly advertise themselves..duh...

[ericbj]

4 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Go on then, name some names. Out these deep state folks.

 

Some brief definitions of DEEP STATE.  From which it will be seen that the compass is very wide.  And does not necessarily involve consciously executed conspiracies but in many if not all cases is simply a question of common interests.  Nothing radically new really.  Wealth has always had power to influence governments in its own interest, often to the detriment of the common people.  I guess it is what the British have long referred to as 'The Establishment'.

 

Remember what one of the early Rothschilds is alleged to have said "I care not what the governmeent is so long as I control the currency."  The reaches of modern media combined with what Edward Bernays initiated, however, offer greater possibilities of manipulating the minds of the populace.  So they can for instance be induced to welcome wars that impoverish them and further enrich those already extremely wealthy.

 

"Deep state - Wikipedia
"The term 'deep state' is a direct calque of the Turkish phrase derin devlet (lit. 'deep state'). It originally emerged in Turkey to describe an alleged network of military, intelligence, and bureaucratic elements operating independently of elected officials to maintain a particular ideological or political status quo."

 

"What you need to know about the 'deep state' - ABC News
"What is the 'deep state'? The 'deep state' is the notion that there is a network of career government employees who are secretly manipulating government policy."

 

"The 'Deep State' Theory, Defined and Explained - ThoughtCo
"The 'deep state' theory suggests secret control over governments without official approval. The deep state is viewed as a mix of government and private interests exerting influence. Some cite actions like leaks and opposition to support claims of a deep state in the U.S."

"State Secrecy Explains the Origins of the ‘Deep State’ Conspiracy Theory - Scientific American
"Lost in today’s misinformation fights is the recognition that modern conspiracy theories spring from excesses of state secrecy
"From election denial to QAnon, the origins of our age of misinformation too often go unexamined. That’s too bad, because unraveling the roots of one popular conspiracy theory - of a 'deep state' - might reveal something important about the cynicism now infecting U.S politics.
"In the U.S., the idea of a deep state cabal of unelected officials secretively pulling the strings of American government, is widely believed. One 2018 poll even claimed that a majority of American voters place credence in the theory. This is no fringe phenomenon. America’s democratic political institutions and public opinion are riven by anxieties that have been given voice in the pronouncements of Donald Trump: "Either the deep state destroys America or we destroy the deep state," he told a rally in Waco, Texas, in March 2023."

[Briggsy]

7 hours ago, merck said:

Well, if there was an elite pulling the strings in the background, they would hardly advertise themselves..duh...

Like the bogeyman?

[Briggsy]

6 hours ago, ericbj said:

 

Some brief definitions of DEEP STATE.  From which it will be seen that the compass is very wide.  And does not necessarily involve consciously executed conspiracies but in many if not all cases is simply a question of common interests.  Nothing radically new really.  Wealth has always had power to influence governments in its own interest, often to the detriment of the common people.  I guess it is what the British have long referred to as 'The Establishment'.

 

Remember what one of the early Rothschilds is alleged to have said "I care not what the governmeent is so long as I control the currency."  The reaches of modern media combined with what Edward Bernays initiated, however, offer greater possibilities of manipulating the minds of the populace.  So they can for instance be induced to welcome wars that impoverish them and further enrich those already extremely wealthy.

 

"Deep state - Wikipedia
"The term 'deep state' is a direct calque of the Turkish phrase derin devlet (lit. 'deep state'). It originally emerged in Turkey to describe an alleged network of military, intelligence, and bureaucratic elements operating independently of elected officials to maintain a particular ideological or political status quo."

 

"What you need to know about the 'deep state' - ABC News
"What is the 'deep state'? The 'deep state' is the notion that there is a network of career government employees who are secretly manipulating government policy."

 

"The 'Deep State' Theory, Defined and Explained - ThoughtCo
"The 'deep state' theory suggests secret control over governments without official approval. The deep state is viewed as a mix of government and private interests exerting influence. Some cite actions like leaks and opposition to support claims of a deep state in the U.S."

"State Secrecy Explains the Origins of the ‘Deep State’ Conspiracy Theory - Scientific American
"Lost in today’s misinformation fights is the recognition that modern conspiracy theories spring from excesses of state secrecy
"From election denial to QAnon, the origins of our age of misinformation too often go unexamined. That’s too bad, because unraveling the roots of one popular conspiracy theory - of a 'deep state' - might reveal something important about the cynicism now infecting U.S politics.
"In the U.S., the idea of a deep state cabal of unelected officials secretively pulling the strings of American government, is widely believed. One 2018 poll even claimed that a majority of American voters place credence in the theory. This is no fringe phenomenon. America’s democratic political institutions and public opinion are riven by anxieties that have been given voice in the pronouncements of Donald Trump: "Either the deep state destroys America or we destroy the deep state," he told a rally in Waco, Texas, in March 2023."

Any names?

[placeholder]

"Among the most cited offenses: Trump has revoked federal contracts and security clearances from law firms that engaged in politically motivated harassment suits against him. These same groups tried to block him from the ballot in the last election. They even pursued legal maneuvers aimed at incarcerating him before voters had a chance to cast their ballots. Now, those who sought to deny voters a choice are outraged that Trump is pushing back. Several firms have reached multi-million dollar settlements and offered pro-bono services to the Trump administration, hoping to avoid further scrutiny."

 

So dishonest apart from the dubious characterizations of the prosecutions against Trump.

Trump is going after law firms for offering counsel to people he is angry at. The right to counsel is guaranteed by a document the author of this piece is clearly unfamiliar with. It's called the Constitution of the United States. And to punish law firms for providing counsel is to vitiate the right. In addition he is also going after other firms simply because they have hired people he doesn't like. Like Christopher Krebs who testified that there was virtually no voter fraud during the 2020 election. Trump has instigated a criminal investigation against him. A fishing expedition.
 

[kimothai]

16 hours ago, Wake Up1 said:

Because you don’t think. You drank the cool aid and no brain needed to be a sheep or parrot 🦜 

I guess you are in denial about the last election when the vast majority of Americans WERE thinking. Your entire statement is nothing but hate because that's all you have left. No wonder your own democratic strategist (James Carville) described you lefties as "stunningly stupid". Stupid in one hand and hate in the other hand - good luck with that. 

[Yagoda]

19 hours ago, Tug said:

Okaaa then we will just ignore all the things he’s done……got it (obvious sarcasm alert)

Tell us each and everything he's done as president of the United States that has caused injury or harm to America

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Trump is going after law firms for offering counsel to people he is angry at.

Trump is going after law firms that discriminate

 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

The right to counsel is guaranteed by a document the author of this piece is clearly unfamiliar with

The right to counsel is not absolute. Tell us how Trump is interfering with that, with factual examples.

 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Like Christopher Krebs who testified that there was virtually no voter fraud during the 2020 election. Trump has instigated a criminal investigation against him. A fishing expedition.

Tell us what the factual circumstances are, instead of your hate influenced opinion.

 

Next: flames, crickets and emojis.

[placeholder]

28 minutes ago, kimothai said:

I guess you are in denial about the last election when the vast majority of Americans WERE thinking. Your entire statement is nothing but hate because that's all you have left. No wonder your own democratic strategist (James Carville) described you lefties as "stunningly stupid". Stupid in one hand and hate in the other hand - good luck with that. 

What don't you understand about the fact that Trump didn't even win a majority of the popular vote?

[worgeordie]

All you need to know the man is a would be dictator , don't know if

he will  be able to achieve it in this term or his 3 rd !, but he disparately

wants to be like his heroes ,Hitler,Mussolini ,Xi ,Orban , Putin, Nayib Armando Bukele Ortez,

to have people bend the knee to him ,kiss his arse, the supreme court have already

granted immunity for most things , that's the first step to becoming a dictator ....

 

regards worgeordie

 

[Yagoda]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about the fact that Trump didn't even win a majority of the popular vote?

Oh, thats the goalposts now? Now its "majority" of folks, not the ones who took the time to vote.

 

What a bunch of sad, sorry losers LOL

 

[LetsGoJoe]

<removed> can be entertaining....however, it is slowly becoming pathetic.

[kimothai]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about the fact that Trump didn't even win a majority of the popular vote?

Maybe you should check your facts. Trump had 77.3 million & Harris had 75 million. Is there something about those numbers you are in denial about. 

[jerrymahoney]

21 minutes ago, kimothai said:

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about the fact that Trump didn't even win a majority of the popular vote?

Maybe you should check your facts. Trump had 77.3 million & Harris had 75 million. Is there something about those numbers you are in denial about.

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

 

Trump 49.8% of total popular vote

 

 

[mania]

On 4/19/2025 at 7:02 AM, Social Media said:

What we’re witnessing isn’t a breakdown of democracy. It’s the first real effort in generations to return democratic institutions to the people by stripping power from a cloistered elite. The deep state got comfortable calling the shots. Now, their hysterical resistance to change is revealing just how absurd their claims really are.

Hear Hear !

[jimgilly]

Anyone who still supports Trump and what he's doing at the very least needs a lobotomy. 

 

He's an arrogant, egotistical, crooked and just plain stupid fascist who will go down as the worst US president in history.  If anyone had basic level intelligence and knew how to do some basic research on him, they would understand just what a low-life he is,  but I guess that would be asking too much.

 

In any case, I doubt he will make it to the end of his term, nor will the country.  Good riddance to both I say and the sooner the better.

[rough diamond]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Tell us each and everything he's done as president of the United States that has caused injury or harm to America

It will be quicker to Tell us each and everything he's done as president of the United States that has NOT caused injury or harm to America, especially the overseas impact.

[KhunLA]

On 4/19/2025 at 10:48 AM, FlorC said:

Never thought I would read such a truthful article on AN 👍

These are new times.

Yes, I'm surprised myself, as felt staff posted mostly (IMHO) 'left leaning' topics/threads, and why I ignore most of them.  

 

Had to do a double take on the 'author' 

 

Refreshing 👍

[ericbj]

5 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Any names?

 

If you want some big-timers you scarcely need to look.  Because they stand out like a sore thumb.

 

They are people with huge fortunes, supported by huge investments in critical sectors of the economy, and who often have managed, through a well-endowed foundation, to spread largesse where it matters to them (notably throughout the mass-media, and/or ownership of a part thereof; but also by making other "non-profits" financially dependent upon them).

 

They stifle well-aimed criticism, and may even successfully project themselves as experts and advisers to governments on subjects where they have no real expertise, but where they have financial interests.  This type of deep-state operator is not interested in amassing further wealth for the comfort and security it can provide.  Theirs is a power game.

 

No need to name them, as most people have sufficient acumen to see for themselves.

 

However, these prominent characters are only the tip of the iceberg.  Their propaganda is spread insidiously at all levels of society by self-interested individuals and those who have not "woken up" to the game being played upon humanity.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yes, I'm surprised myself, as felt staff posted mostly (IMHO) 'left leaning' topics/threads, and why I ignore most of them.  

 

Had to do a double take on the 'author' 

 

Refreshing 👍

It’s an opinion piece, the author is self confessed ‘Arch Rightwinger’ Rob Wasinger 

 

and The Hill prefaced the opinion piece with this:

 

“THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL”

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, ericbj said:

 

If you want some big-timers you scarcely need to look.  Because they stand out like a sore thumb.

 

They are people with huge fortunes, supported by huge investments in critical sectors of the economy, and who often have managed, through a well-endowed foundation, to spread largesse where it matters to them (notably throughout the mass-media, and/or ownership of a part thereof; but also by making other "non-profits" financially dependent upon them).

 

They stifle well-aimed criticism, and may even successfully project themselves as experts and advisers to governments on subjects where they have no real expertise, but where they have financial interests.  This type of deep-state operator is not interested in amassing further wealth for the comfort and security it can provide.  Theirs is a power game.

 

No need to name them, as most people have sufficient acumen to see for themselves.

 

However, these prominent characters are only the tip of the iceberg.  Their propaganda is spread insidiously at all levels of society by self-interested individuals and those who have not "woken up" to the game being played upon humanity.

 

Of, it’s those billionaire tech Bros Trump invited to stand behind him at his inauguration?!

[Briggsy]

10 minutes ago, ericbj said:

 

If you want some big-timers you scarcely need to look.  Because they stand out like a sore thumb.

 

They are people with huge fortunes, supported by huge investments in critical sectors of the economy, and who often have managed, through a well-endowed foundation, to spread largesse where it matters to them (notably throughout the mass-media, and/or ownership of a part thereof; but also by making other "non-profits" financially dependent upon them).

 

They stifle well-aimed criticism, and may even successfully project themselves as experts and advisers to governments on subjects where they have no real expertise, but where they have financial interests.  This type of deep-state operator is not interested in amassing further wealth for the comfort and security it can provide.  Theirs is a power game.

 

No need to name them, as most people have sufficient acumen to see for themselves.

 

However, these prominent characters are only the tip of the iceberg.  Their propaganda is spread insidiously at all levels of society by self-interested individuals and those who have not "woken up" to the game being played upon humanity.

 

Names?

[Yagoda]

28 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

It will be quicker to Tell us each and everything he's done as president of the United States that has NOT caused injury or harm to America, especially the overseas impact.

Oh that's easy, everything he's done has not caused injury a harm to America. Get your emojis in now.

[bunnydrops]

3 hours ago, kimothai said:

I guess you are in denial about the last election when the vast majority of Americans WERE thinking. Your entire statement is nothing but hate because that's all you have left. No wonder your own democratic strategist (James Carville) described you lefties as "stunningly stupid". Stupid in one hand and hate in the other hand - good luck with that. 

He also only won by 1.45% of the vote. One of the least in 50 years. Far from a mandate

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s an opinion piece, the author is self confessed ‘Arch Rightwinger’ Rob Wasinger 

 

and The Hill prefaced the opinion piece with this:

 

“THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL”

 

 

Oh look. Another attempt at cancelling out opposing opinions. How sad

[coolcarer]

43 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yes, I'm surprised myself, as felt staff posted mostly (IMHO) 'left leaning' topics/threads, and why I ignore most of them.  

 

Had to do a double take on the 'author' 

 

Refreshing 👍

Far left are left fuming…..😂

[bunnydrops]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh look. Another attempt at cancelling out opposing opinions. How sad

No one canceled it out but gave our opinion on that opinion.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

No one canceled it out but gave our opinion on that opinion.

Read the post that I responded to again. He had no points to argue the opinion. Only cancel it out