White House Revamps COVID-19 Website to Promote Lab Leak Theory

[dinsdale]

On 4/21/2025 at 3:57 PM, sandyf said:

Conspiracy is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.

 

The genetic evidence, the new report contends, supports the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 emerged in the same way that SARS-CoV-1 — which sickened people in 2002-2003 but was extinguished before it could cause a full-blown pandemic — is widely believed to have started, from animals sold in a market. The authors contend the world needs to take more aggressive action to shut down the illegal trade in wildlife to lower the risk of another catastrophic pandemic.

 

“All the data [on the origin of the pandemic] currently available point in the same direction, which is the wildlife trade in the Huanan market. Will it put the debate to an end? I’m afraid it’s unlikely,” Débarre said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2024/09/19/covid-origin-wuhan-market/

The WHO investigation in early 2021 saw a team of scientists fly to Wuhan on a mission to look into the source of the pandemic.

After spending 12 days there, which included a visit to the laboratory, the team concluded the lab-leak theory was "extremely unlikely".

But many have since questioned their findings, with one prominent group of scientists criticising the WHO report for not taking the lab-leak theory seriously enough - it was dismissed in a few pages of a several-hundred-page report.

Supporters of the natural origin hypothesis - which was backed in the WHO report - say Covid-19 emerged in bats and then jumped to humans, most likely through another animal, or "intermediary host".

This hypothesis was widely accepted at the start of the pandemic, but as time has worn on, scientists have not found a virus in either bats or another animal that matches the genetic make-up of Covid-19, leading some to doubt the theory.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7vypq31z7o

Remember that the leader of the WHO team Peter Daszac was was involved with the Wuhan Lab through EcoHealth and was severely comprimised.

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, johng said:

 

Sweden.

 

They also had a high body count — even compared to the rest of Scandinavia.
And that was after they quietly dropped the “let it rip” fantasy on a population with zero immunity.

[johng]

6 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

They also had a high body count

 

Latest data after the dust settled says  they did at least as well if not better than those who went full Covidiot.

[candide]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You're kidding. As I mentioned above gain of function was being carried out on bat corona viruses. As for no viruses being the same as Sars-CoV-2 you are correct. Nothing in nature has been found. 

The fact that gain of function research was being carried out on coronaviruses which could not have been progenitor of Sars-Cov-2 is irrelevant.

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, johng said:

 

Did Obama's plan advocate  lock downs,shuttering of small business, social distancing, masks, mandatory injection with  rushed concoctions,surveillance,shaming,censorship,de-banking,de-platforming,smear campaigns and military grade syops ??

Brandolini’s Law states that debunking nonsense takes exponentially more effort than creating it — and frankly, your post isn’t worth the bandwidth.

[candide]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Conspiracy theory? Wow! Personally I can't wait for excess deaths to be fully and independently investigated. Another "conspiracy theory" for you.

Again, I was replying to another poster claiming that the virus was planned before 2020 and the mRNA was also ready before the pandemic. 

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

The fact that gain of function research was being carried out on coronaviruses which could not have been progenitor of Sars-Cov-2 is irrelevant.

Again you seem to be missing the point that this particular virus has not been found in nature. This virus was designed and designed to infect humans so a vaccine could be made. Why else would they be using humanised mice. This is what gain of function research is all about. Create virus, create vaccine and make lots of money. It's insane and should be banned globally. 

[candide]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Again you seem to be missing the point that this particular virus has not been found in nature. This virus was designed and designed to infect humans so a vaccine could be made. Why else would they be using humanised mice. This is what gain of function research is all about. Create virus, create vaccine and make lots of money. It's insane and should be banned globally. 

The point you seem to be missing is that if you have a virus which genetically cannot be a progenitor of the Covid 19 virus and you add a function to it, you still have a virus which cannot be a progenitor, with an added function. 

 

There is no identified progenitor, neither by natural evolution, nor by gain of function.

[dinsdale]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

The point you seem to be missing is that if you have a virus which genetically cannot be a progenitor of the Covid 19 virus and you add a function to it, you still have a virus which cannot be a progenitor, with an added function. 

 

There is no identified progenitor, neither by natural evolution, nor by gain of function.

You seem not to know about gain of function. The progenitor was a bat corona virus manipulated genetically and tested on humanised mice. This has resulted in a brand new virus. It's called Sars-CoV-2. Not found in nature and fully adapted to infect humans without any natural  evolutionary process.

[candide]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You seem not to know about gain of function. The progenitor was a bat corona virus manipulated genetically and tested on humanised mice. This has resulted in a brand new virus. It's called Sars-CoV-2. Not found in nature and fully adapted to infect humans without any natural  evolutionary process.

 

I know about gain of function. If you add a function to a virus, the altered virus keeps the genetic signature of its progenitor.

 

So which virus is the progenitor, according to you? About which gain of function experiment are you talking exactly?

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

 

So which virus is the progenitor, according to you? About which gain of function experiment are you talking exactly?

I will say it one more time. A bat corona virus. 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I will say it one more time. A bat corona virus. 

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1020x680/public/d8/images/canvas/2023/08/31/c117384c-fd20-4e72-b523-9bb9414e6518_a86eb1e4.jpg?itok=rqw1Yr_U&v=1693488892

So you don't know which virus and your proof is an...image! 

 

In other words, you make assertions  but you have nothing....

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

So you don't know which virus and your proof is an...image! 

 

In other words, you make assertions  but you have nothing....

She isn't called the "bat women" for nothing. She works possibly now worked in the Wuhan lab. You are aware of this? What type of corona viruses do you think she was researching?  Take a guess.

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, Presnock said:

It might be true or not but IMHO since the first to contract the disease were Chinese from the Wuhan area, that is the location that I would circle first.  And we already know that the Chinese have come up with some really dangerous new diseases.  They like to publicize that like the Russians due with a new more powerful missile.   But, unless this latest Trump plan to de regulate everything for the current manufacturers, we will most likely have another Chernobyl anyway that might just wipe us all off the map for good.  Turn the world over to those things living in the deep deep ocean.

In the run up to the 2008 collapse in the market/banks was deregulation by the Bush administration - they were all warned but failed to heed that.  Then the biggest banks collapsed totally and millions lost everything, their houses, their savings, their jobs...oh yeah the same horror stories we see in the news today.  Again, not the party that I hate their policies, but the Republicans the party that I quit after Nixon - Independents haven't helped good or bad as I as a member have seen - guess it definitely is time for another political party, not owing s@@t to the superpacs for them to choose as a candidate.  Since I have been able to vote, including during my years as a civil servent with access to high level people, I have failed to find what I consider to be honest and working for the good of the citizens and the nation!  That is my opinion of course of politicians and from living around the world too, seems like most are from the same mold, no matter the country!

They are all sold out, 100 percent of American politicians at the national level are completely sold out, it doesn't matter which party they belong to.

 

Having said that I never really believed that this virus originated from a wet market, and I think official narratives always have to be questioned. 

[Cryingdick]

obviously the virus didn't start. At the Virus are Us emporium.

[MicroB]

15 hours ago, candide said:

I was just highlighting the incoherence of your conspiracy theory. If the Chinese (or whoever) had planned and made the virus, they would have had a vaccine ready. 

 

BTW  the mRNA vaccine originates from Germany.

 

I'm afraid there is no point debating with this lot. I've worked 20+ years in infectious disease, in BSL2 through BSL4 labs.

 

The very first Chinese vaccine was Sinovac. This was a conventional inactivated virus that had been propagated through a chimpanzee sell line. As a result, the manufactured virus contained Chimp RNA, not Human RNA. Chimps, while closely related to Men, are not Men. So the vaccine didn't work. As vaccines go, that was one of the easiet to make. For any virus, if you can propoagate it in bulk, the rest is relatively a piece of cake and the risks well understood.

 

I've said repeatedly, there are not 3 possibilities, but at least 4 possibilities, in order of decreasing likelihood

 

1. Zoonitic transmission on the local wet market, or some other place.

2. Accidental leakage from the institute reference lab. The Wuhan Lab wasn't just a research lab. Its a reference lab as well. That means it received hundreds of samples a week from hospital labs in the surrounding area. There is a major trade in bat guano; locals are digging holes to mine deposits themselves, for extra money. We are finding a ton of new coronaviruses as this activity increases. The reference labs are BSL-2. For those who know what that means, its significant.

3. Accidental leakages from the institute research lab. Coronavirus research was carried out in BSL-4 labs. Again, anyone familiar with BSL-4 will know the physical controls in place.

4. Deliberate release.

 

Every city on the planet will have at least 1 hospital. And that hospital will have at least one pathology laboratory. And in those labs, lab techs will be deliberately growing, or attempting to grow, extremely infectious agents, some more virulant than other, but all of them disease causing in humans, Hence the diagnostic tests in a hospital.

 

At the end of testing, waste is supposed to be autoclaved (steam sterilised) before entering general waste. But that doesn't always happen. Sometimes the plates get dropped straight into the black bags.  Sometimes the autoclave breaks down. Sometimes the cycle doesn't complete, and there is no indicator tape, All this happens every day around the world. Outbreaks are not occuring. Hospital acquired infections tend to be infections one patient gets from another, and is not an infection acquired from the hospital per se.

 

The last Foot and Mouth Virus outbreak in the UK, in 2007, was due to an accidental lab release. Pretty much the entire herd had to be culled. What confused scientists was that the strain found was identical to a 1968 strain, which ought not be possible. There were fears that carcasses from the 1968 outbreak, which had been buried, were now contaminating the water table.

 

But the penny dropped. The source of the outbreak was the main veterinary research lab at Pirbright. The facility consists of the DEFRA labs, and lab accomodation rented to a range of companies manufacturing veterinary medicines.. One of the tenants manufacturers FMV vaccine for export. That means they propagated vast quantities of virus, to inactivate to become vaccine. So there was a lot of virus rich effluent, which was pumped via a pipe to an onsite treatment works, before the slurry was discharged into the municipal sewer. For months he tenant had been in argument with the landlord, DEFRA, over a cracked pipe, and who was going to pay for it. In the meantime, vets came and went from the lab carpark, and the virus was introduced onto the farms.

 

Probably hundreds of contamination events occurred before the outbreak happened. Not surprising, when one considers that lab outbreaks are rare, because the infection itself is difficult.

 

 

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The WHO investigation in early 2021 saw a team of scientists fly to Wuhan on a mission to look into the source of the pandemic.

After spending 12 days there, which included a visit to the laboratory, the team concluded the lab-leak theory was "extremely unlikely".

But many have since questioned their findings, with one prominent group of scientists criticising the WHO report for not taking the lab-leak theory seriously enough - it was dismissed in a few pages of a several-hundred-page report.

Supporters of the natural origin hypothesis - which was backed in the WHO report - say Covid-19 emerged in bats and then jumped to humans, most likely through another animal, or "intermediary host".

This hypothesis was widely accepted at the start of the pandemic, but as time has worn on, scientists have not found a virus in either bats or another animal that matches the genetic make-up of Covid-19, leading some to doubt the theory.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7vypq31z7o

Remember that the leader of the WHO team Peter Daszac was was involved with the Wuhan Lab through EcoHealth and was severely comprimised.

I wouldn't trust anything where the CIA were involved, it is not like the US would have it in for China, but feel free to go with the minority.

From my previous link

The lab leak theory emerged early in 2020 and was embraced by President Donald Trump. It gained momentum in May 2021 when 18 scientists, including Worobey, wrote a letter to the journal Science saying all possible origins of the pandemic, including a lab leak, deserve investigation. President Joe Biden then asked his intelligence agencies to investigate.

 

They were unable to reach a consensus. Most favored a natural origin, but two agencies favored a lab origin. None claimed high confidence in their conclusions.

[Purdey]

On 4/21/2025 at 10:33 AM, spidermike007 said:

Well it's very typical of Trump to politicize everything and we'll probably never know what the true facts are.

 

What we do know is that Trump's Covid Czar, Dr. Fauci, was a military scientist for about 40 years, and we do know that the US government invested heavily and the Wuhan lab, and Fauci had some involvement with a variety of different viral development programs. Some say the leak happened in the US. If so, would we ever find out those facts?

Could you provide a link stating that Fauci worked for the military please? I read he worked for the NIH, which is not a military organization.

The NIH is an agency of the Public Health Service of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Also, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is not a military organization. I understand it was founded in the Marine Hospital but is actually part of the United States Department of Health and Human Services.

Just curious where you read this.

[impulse]

On 4/21/2025 at 1:22 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Conspiracists are going to find it hard to accept they were had. Some will go to their graves still clinging to the pro China conspiracy.

 

After dying of myocarditis, no less.

 

[Dan O]

On 4/21/2025 at 12:10 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

You used to get banned for floating the idea. Please link to a post from the 1st 2 years of the pandemic suggesting a lab leak. Disgusting how you try rewruting history 

You are obviously promoting false and misleading statements. Post proof about people getting banned for making a statement like that. Many held that position and commented freely about it. There are no facts in the WH position,  just an opinion. 

[Tug]

On 4/21/2025 at 1:17 PM, johng said:

 

I see we have some new emojis  I gave you one   👎

It really doesn’t matter the hiding from what was coming and the botched response is that does matter well over a hundred thousand preventable American deaths were the result that DOES matter.

[johng]

6 minutes ago, Tug said:

well over a hundred thousand preventable American deaths were the result that DOES matter.

 

Yep if only someone had told them to  eat healthy foods  get outside in the fresh air and exercise take some vitamin D, Zinc....  and most of all stop being afraid.

The constant fear porn propagated by the "legacy media" was almost as bad as anything else...

Well I must also mention the inappropriate  medical protocols once admitted to a hospital  and the refusal to even consider alternative medications  as only a "vaccine" could solve the problem.

[johng]

34 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You are obviously promoting false and misleading statements. Post proof about people getting banned for making a statement like that.

 

People who voiced that opinion were labeled  as  anti China  "racist"  and "conspiracy theorists"   the narrative was that it had evolved from a bat virus  in a wet market..coincidently in Wuhan and due to climate change etc etc.

The truth may never be known now as records were deleted and those on first investigating teams were those involved in the gain of function research from the start !!!   Highly suspicious.

[Gobbler]

It is not a theory.

[johng]

 

10 hours ago, MicroB said:

Probably hundreds of contamination events occurred before the outbreak happened. Not surprising, when one considers that lab outbreaks are rare,

 

So given the litany of evidence you stated above

 do you think the Wuhan lab leak was plausible  ?

[Gobbler]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

 

 

So given the litany of evidence you stated above

 do you think the Wuhan lab leak was plausible  ?

 

Rare in China? The State Department people were raising the warning on that lab as substandard and not following protocols. 

 

Plausible. 

 

Only if I were brain-dead.

 

[riclag]

On 4/21/2025 at 7:03 AM, Social Media said:

 

As the debate over the virus’s origin remains unresolved, both scientifically and politically, the White House’s decision to spotlight the lab leak theory signals a stark departure from previous messaging. It also reflects a broader shift in how the pandemic’s early days are being interpreted and framed in light of ongoing geopolitical struggles

Is it possible the intelligence agencies that were recently turned over to new management have discovered proof that this is more likely the case ( it started in a lab). Another scenario is intel knew all along but decided to come clean , fearing political repercussions.

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid-cia-trump-china-pandemic-lab-leak-9ab7e84c626fed68ca13c8d2e453dde1

[candide]

1 hour ago, johng said:

 

Yep if only someone had told them to  eat healthy foods  get outside in the fresh air and exercise take some vitamin D, Zinc....  and most of all stop being afraid.

The constant fear porn propagated by the "legacy media" was almost as bad as anything else...

Well I must also mention the inappropriate  medical protocols once admitted to a hospital  and the refusal to even consider alternative medications  as only a "vaccine" could solve the problem.

Suuure! And that's why a higher share of Trump voters died from Covid-19 than Dem voters,  after the vaccine was available, because a significant n7mber of them refused to get vaccinated! 🤣

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/political-party-affiliation-linked-excess-covid-deaths

 

https://ncnewsline.com/2022/10/04/study-more-republicans-than-democrats-likely-died-of-covid/

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

 

 

[candide]

52 minutes ago, riclag said:

Is it possible the intelligence agencies that were recently turned over to new management have discovered proof that this is more likely the case ( it started in a lab). Another scenario is intel knew all along but decided to come clean , fearing political repercussions.

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid-cia-trump-china-pandemic-lab-leak-9ab7e84c626fed68ca13c8d2e453dde1

Is it possible that the CIA has now adopted the party line? 🙂

[rickudon]

The Wuhan lab was first suggested as the source back in January 2020. Big coincidence to have a new pandemic start up within  a couple of miles of the Wuhan lab, which was studying Coronaviruses. The scientists say that there was no evidence of deliberate mutation, but could still have been from a Wuhan Petri dish. They had many natural strains in the Laboratory. WHO was denied access to the lab for months. And many of the lab staff were no longer there. Could have been a lab worker going to the wet market to get dinner... either donating or receiving viruses.