Russia Dismisses Trump’s Ukraine Peace Plan Offers 3 Day Ceasefire

[ChicagoExpat]

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The biggest threat has been for a long time and still is China.

On this, at least, you are 100% correct.  And it is one of Russia's many blind spots, perhaps its worst.  China has been robbing Russia blind in resources for decades through corrupt local officials allowing the Chinese to mine and take timber illegally, all while building up a military many times more powerful than Russia's.  The idea that China will not lay a claim to much of Russia's east at some point is a fantasy, and they will take it.

[ChicagoExpat]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again with the fascism thing. Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. As for cheering on Russia, assessing the battlefield i.e. Russia is winning, is simply a matter of fact.

Little man, I would match my understanding of ANY aspect of this issue against yours anytime, and I'd win.  Oh, wait, I've already been doing that.  Huzzah for me, beating an unarmed man in a war of intelligence.

 

If you want to show you're NOT cheering on Russia, and just want peace -- go ahead and condemn the invasion itself, even if your only point is that Russia's victory is inevitable.  Or condemn that DAILY missiles fired into apartment buildings.  Or any of the many examples of Russian brutality and aggression.

 

We'll wait.

[ChicagoExpat]

15 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

OMG..is that their only claim to fame since WW2.   The Euro's lack the means to defend themselves against Russia without the USA because they are more worried about their huge welfare state. 

This is 100% true.  However, it does seem to be changing.

[ChicagoExpat]

18 hours ago, frank83628 said:

So if it was a war crime, why didn nothi g happen? You and others here accuse other of war crimes while ignoring you own countries, and some allies too.

It is a war crime to fight on behalf of a state outside of uniform.  The fact that you don't know this is reflects badly on you, not Ukraine.  Best not to comment on issues you don't understand.

[dinsdale]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

Little man, I would match my understanding of ANY aspect of this issue against yours anytime, and I'd win.  Oh, wait, I've already been doing that.  Huzzah for me.

 

Keep cheering on Russia, Dinsdale.

Again you fail to recognise the difference between a neutral assessment and a biased one. Russia is winning the protracted war of attrition. This is indisputable. If they weren't the huge eastern front would be being pushed east not gradually moving west and the Kursk Oblast would have expanded from 1000km² rather than as of yesterday now only 17km² held and that will be gone in the very near future^.. These are facts and not cheering on Putin or any of that rubbish.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Again you fail to recognise the difference between a neutral assessment and a biased one. Russia is winning the protracted war of attrition. This is indisputable. If they weren't the huge eastern front would be being pushed east not gradually moving west and the Kursk Oblast would have expanded from 1000km² rather than as of yesterday now only 17km² held and that will be gone in the very near future^.. These are facts and not cheering on Putin or any of that rubbish.

To show us you're NOT cheering on Russia, and that your only stance is a "neutral observer recognizing Russia's inevitable victory" -- go ahead and condemn the war Russia started.  Or the latest civilians killed intentionally.  Or anything, there's so much to choose from.

 

We'll wait patiently.

[frank83628]

14 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

It is a war crime to fight on behalf of a state outside of uniform.  The fact that you don't know this is reflects badly on you, not Ukraine.  Best not to comment on issues you don't understand.

I said 'if', as in 'if it happened', which it didn't 

[dinsdale]

Kursk Oblast Sept 12 2024 and April 29 2025. The blue area is the area occupied and held by Ukrainian troops. Let me point out again this isn't cheering on Putin. It's fact. Note also the grey area in yesterday's map. This indicates the area in Sumy where Russian troops are present but the area is in dispute.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#10/51.2272990/35.2048684

[ChicagoExpat]

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I said 'if', as in 'if it happened', which it didn't 

It did, and Putin admitted it.  Literally no one on either side of the argument disputes this... but you.  At least rouse yourself from your Cheeto-induced stupor long enough to Google something like "Putin admits little green men were Russian" or something before commenting on something that's indisputably true.

[ChicagoExpat]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Kursk Oblast Sept 12 2024 and April 29 2025. The blue area is the area occupied and held by Ukrainian troops. Let me point out again this isn't cheering on Putin. It's fact. Note also the grey area in yesterday's map. This indicates the area in Sumy where Russian troops are present but the area is in dispute.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#10/51.2272990/35.2048684

As no one is arguing with you that Russia hasn't taken back all or nearly all of Kursk, your posting this sure looks like... cheering.  Oh -- here's a good way to show you don't support Russia -- condemn the invasion, or their consistent targeting of civilians.  Or something.  Third request.  Hard to draw any other conclusion than you do in fact support Russia.

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

As no one is arguing with you that Russia hasn't taken back all or nearly all of Kursk, your posting this sure looks like... cheering.  Oh -- here's a good way to show you don't support Russia -- condemn the invasion, or their consistent targeting of civilians.  Or something.  Third request.  Hard to draw any other conclusion than you do in fact support Russia.

Simply puerile accusation. I am once again simply pointing out reality. Zero bias. Again I say pointing out that Russia is winning the protracted war of attrition is fact. It's a neutral comment. Do you think in WWII people saying that Hitler was conquering Europe were cheering on Hitler?  Of course not. This is how ridiculous your accusation of me cheering on Putin and being pro-Russian is.

[frank83628]

15 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

It did, and Putin admitted it.  Literally no one on either side of the argument disputes this... but you.  At least rouse yourself from your Cheeto-induced stupor long enough to Google something like "Putin admits little green men were Russian" or something before commenting on something that's indisputably true.

Unless I see Vlad saying it directly I won't believe it, certainly not from any of the BS lying lame stream media.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Simply puerile accusation. I am once again simply pointing out reality. Zero bias. Again I say pointing out that Russia is winning the protracted war of attrition is fact. It's a neutral comment. Do you think in WWII people saying that Hitler was conquering Europe were cheering on Hitler?  Of course not. This is how ridiculous your accusation of me cheering on Putin and being pro-Russian is.

Every argument you make serves the Russian narrative.  You reject any evidence that does not fit the Russian narrative.  You refuse to condemn ANY ASPECT AT ALL of Russia's invasion -- not to mention the invasion itself.

 

One of the most enduring tropes of guys like you is the "Honest Broker" disguise -- "I'm not pro-Russian, just pro-peace!  Pay no attention to the fact that I always argue the Russian side, always argue against pro-Ukrainian points, and refuse to ever criticize Russia's war!"

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Unless I see Vlad saying it directly I won't believe it, certainly not from any of the BS lying lame stream media.

Because the only guy you trust is "Vlad."  Got it.  And you refuse to look for yourself.  Got it.

 

This was really easy -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)

 

In^8] March 2014, Putin continued to maintain that there was no pre-planned intervention,^[20][21] but that "the heavily armed, tightly coordinated groups who took over Crimea's airports and ports at the start of the incursion – they were merely spontaneous 'self-defence groups' who may have acquired their Russian-looking uniforms from local [military] shops (voyentorg)".^[22][23] According to the Ukrainian Association of Gun Owners, Ukrainian law does not allow the selling or carrying of firearms other than for hunting.^[24]

On 17 April 2014, President Putin admitted publicly for the first time that Russian special forces were involved in the events of Crimea, for the purposes of protecting local people and creating conditions for a referendum.^{[25][9][10][26][27]} Later, he admitted that the Russian Armed Forces had blocked the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Crimea during the events.^[2  

In response to the question of the presence of Russian troops in Crimea, Russian Minister of Defence Sergey Shoigu said, "Regarding the statements about use of Russian special forces in Ukrainian events, I can only say one thing – it's hard to search for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it's not there," and added cryptically that searching for the cat would be "stupid" if the cat is "intelligent, brave, and polite".^[29][30]

In April 2015, retired Russian Admiral Igor Kasatonov [ru] said that the "little green men" were members of Russian Spetsnaz special forces units. According to his information, Russian troop deployment in Crimea included six helicopter landings and three landings of Ilyushin Il-76 with 500 troops.^{[31][32][33][34]}

[frank83628]

2 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Because the only guy you trust is "Vlad."  Got it.  And you refuse to look for yourself.  Got it.

 

This was really easy -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)

 

In^8] March 2014, Putin continued to maintain that there was no pre-planned intervention,^[20][21] but that "the heavily armed, tightly coordinated groups who took over Crimea's airports and ports at the start of the incursion – they were merely spontaneous 'self-defence groups' who may have acquired their Russian-looking uniforms from local [military] shops (voyentorg)".^[22][23] According to the Ukrainian Association of Gun Owners, Ukrainian law does not allow the selling or carrying of firearms other than for hunting.^[24]

On 17 April 2014, President Putin admitted publicly for the first time that Russian special forces were involved in the events of Crimea, for the purposes of protecting local people and creating conditions for a referendum.^{[25][9][10][26][27]} Later, he admitted that the Russian Armed Forces had blocked the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Crimea during the events.^[2  

In response to the question of the presence of Russian troops in Crimea, Russian Minister of Defence Sergey Shoigu said, "Regarding the statements about use of Russian special forces in Ukrainian events, I can only say one thing – it's hard to search for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it's not there," and added cryptically that searching for the cat would be "stupid" if the cat is "intelligent, brave, and polite".^[29][30]

In April 2015, retired Russian Admiral Igor Kasatonov [ru] said that the "little green men" were members of Russian Spetsnaz special forces units. According to his information, Russian troop deployment in Crimea included six helicopter landings and three landings of Ilyushin Il-76 with 500 troops.^{[31][32][33][34]}

Wikipedia... go away.

[SMIAI]

There are 34 references in the Wiki. But yet some prefer to believe something that has no credibility at all. The brainwashing obviously works better on the gullible.