On 4/30/2025 at 9:40 AM, connda said:

The interesting thing about relationships is that almost all of them are transactional. 

The gal you pick up on Soi Cowboy is P4P transactional.
The hot gal you picked up at a club back in the West who you take out to lavish dinners, buy gifts for, and treat like a queen - is also transaction, and probably is a hell of a lot more expensive than the P4P encounter which essentially gets you the same thing.
Then marry your "dream love" in the West and find out that "HALF plus attorney fees" is also transactional when she decides to dump you for Mr. Right, who she'll probably end up supporting.

Relationship are pretty much all transactional.  Don't get me wrong.  I have friends and family who have been with the same person for decades and there is truly a relationship built on a foundation of love - but man?  They are rare these days.  Very rare.  And I still have to ask - if the man in those relationships wasn't a really good breadwinner and provider, would that relationship still weather the sands of time.  Most marriages end about the time they hit the "Through Better and Through Worse."  When the storm hits, bae' hits the escape pod, and starts shooting signal flares in hope of finding a bigger more luxurious ship.

I concur 100%, and recall a conversation that I had with long time expat some 30 or so years ago.

 

He observed about the almost universal transactional nature of relationships that some ladies required payment in advance, while others took payment in arrears, but that the ones paid in arrears were by far the more expensive.

 

My own observations in the intervening years have convinced me that he was spot-on.

 

 

I think Thai women have a lot of wonderful qualities, and I absolutely love mine and love being around her, but I would say the majority of Thai women are not particularly good lovers, and don't seem to be that into sex. Of course there are some exceptions. 

Why is is all about sex?

 

For the Americans you know Bill Belichick and his 'wife' 50 years younger than him

 

He's at the high end of pay for play. In Thailand it's the two week millionaire, and get me the Hell outta here hookers

 

What the f++++k do you talk about with a wife/partner young enough to be your daughter, or granddaughter?

 

I'm happy enough with my aging menopausal Thai lady. Crazy as she may be as times, we kinda like hanging out together, sex can take a back seat if you just have some common life experiences.

 

The Belichick's may get away with it with money, not so sure our 2 week millionaires fare so well

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think Thai women have a lot of wonderful qualities, and I absolutely love mine and love being around her, but I would say the majority of Thai women are not particularly good lovers, and don't seem to be that into sex. Of course there are some exceptions. 

Ur right.Its not often we meet a lady who really like sex for the sex not just for the money.My experience is that pinays is in a other division.The pinays i meet really love it and their more openminded compared to Thais.

I had a pinay gf years ago when i worked in Malaysia.She said she could do anything as long it makes me happy.

That said i also meet some thais that really love it.Normally mature ladies who is screamers in bed.

I had a gf who was a icequeen about even talk about sex.Couldnt even kiss or hug her so i left her after 6 weeks.

I meet another lady who was crazy about sex..she even wake me up middle of nigth for get some hot sex 

Actually that was to much for me..she wanted sex all the time.When we was outside she allways talking about what we will do when back to my hotel.Its funny in the beginning but it gets stressful after a while.Im still in contact with her in Line and will meet her when im back in Bangkok.But not for a long time.I have a mature mistress that's really good in bed and funny to be with Allways in good mood.Shes married to a foreigner who haven't been in Thailand for the last 4 years.

On 4/30/2025 at 10:23 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Mrs Smith is available.

Jeeez, how much of a guys life is actually taken up having sex?

 

Wouldn't better measure be how much of your life was actually having a life with someone, enjoying just simple stuff, watching TV, cooking, smiling at grandkid pics, laughing when someone farts?

 

Fella's, sex ain't everything, and don't die if thats all you got to leave to the world, which is in no way remembered

1 hour ago, Homburg said:

 

 

He observed about the almost universal transactional nature of relationships that some ladies required payment in advance, while others took payment in arrears, but that the ones paid in arrears were by far the more expensive.

 

 

 

  Her rears are always a bit extra

No money no honey. But I 100% agree there are of course some exceptions but most are not very emotionally balanced, lies pour from their mouths in a natural fashion and they are not really that spectacular between the sheets.

3 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

Jeeez, how much of a guys life is actually taken up having sex?

 

Wouldn't better measure be how much of your life was actually having a life with someone, enjoying just simple stuff, watching TV, cooking, smiling at grandkid pics, laughing when someone farts?

 

Fella's, sex ain't everything, and don't die if thats all you got to leave to the world, which is in no way remembered

I couldn't agree more and for me personally no matter how spectacular the woman is nor how good a lover she is, after a few years the sex just gets a bit too familiar. A deep friendship and a really wonderful connection, where you both have each other's back, make each other feel good, keep each other laughing and smiling, and make each other's life a better version of what it would be without the other, when you have that, if you are fortunate enough to have that, you know you have something great. 

On 4/30/2025 at 9:20 AM, zzvv said:

I just wanted to say something about the sex in Thailand. I was married in the UK for 25 years unfortunately she died in a car crash and I have to say the sex was fantastic she knew exactly what to do and what I liked and over the years it just got better and better and better when she died I was lucky enough to find another lady and we dated, we were together for nine years and again the sex was fantastic it was a good love in both our cases.

 

I have been coming to Thailand off and on for about eight years. Then I retired here three years ago I was with a lady for five years and the sex was okay then we finished.  I found another lady to love .  I was with her for two years and again the sex was okay she loved me deeply I did love her but she had many problems and in the end I had to leave.

I've had sex with some of the ladies of the night and some of the ladies I have met by other means i.e. the Internet ThaiFriendly et cetera , even an escort in Bangkok who demanded 10,000 Bhat for an exclusive service for two hours, I gave her the money and I also gave her some advice about how crap she was and I made sure I reviewed her in several locations on  the Internet.

Overall I have to say the sex here is rubbish I wouldn't pay five hundred baht ….

 

I do not have a high expectation rate about sex.  They have three holes and if they do not want to use one of them I am ok with that.

 

I am fit I am active I am 70 I've been practicing judo all my life so I have quite a good sex drive but what it is, sex can be good and sex can be bad and again I have to say in Thailand it is bad because the ladies they have no feeling they do not really love and that is a missing element.

 

But I have to say the Thai ladies are very sweet and very loving but they can also be a nightmare and I have nothing but admiration and respect for ALL Thai ladies.

 

I am still looking for her……..

Here's hoping that 'she' manages to avoid you.

Then, her '3 holes' might be infinitely better off.

On 4/30/2025 at 12:06 PM, Cameroni said:

However, he's now 70. So his sexual market value would have dropped significantly and for a young and attractive woman to fall in love with him and want to particpate in sex to make him happy is almost impossible.  A normal 70 year old, what young Thai girl would fall in love with him and eagerly participate in sex with him? Highly unlikely.

 

If he was in his 50s, okay, but at 70, even if he looks good for his age, that is end of the road time.

Meanwhile in the US:

He 73, she 24.

 

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1 hour ago, Old Croc said:

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It does happen. Even in Thailand, you can have women who really go for a guy over 70 and are 45 years younger. It does happen. Rarely. Very, very, very rarely. These are outliers and exceptions .The general rule however is that most women from 18 to 29 would not give a 70 year old a chance even.

 

I would say the cut off point is much earlier, actually, like 60, 65 with most girls. Of course many don't even do that and will do 30 at most.

 

But this is the beauty of life, the general rule is often qualified by exceptions, and exceptionally a young girl wil go with a very old guy. Usually where the father left or died, so she has daddy issues. But this is rare and an exception.

 

I was talking to a 20 year old who just graduated and she wants to come to CM to be with me. Even for me at 53, this is rare. Most 20 year olds want a guy no older than 30.

I'm 80 the wife is 54.

When I was 71 had a GF that was 37.

20 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

 

 

20 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

 

 

Fella's, sex ain't everything, and don't die if thats all you got to leave to the world, which is in no way remembered

20 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

 

 

Fella's, sex ain't everything, and don't die if thats all you got to leave to the world, which is in no way remembered

I am 100% good with the many lengths of pipe that I’ve laid being totally forgotten.
 

But as my dad pointed out, if they didn’t have a———, there would be a bounty on them.

 

If that’s not at least medium upfront in the mix, I may as well just get a dog

On 4/29/2025 at 11:20 PM, zzvv said:

I just wanted to say something about the sex in Thailand. I was married in the UK for 25 years unfortunately she died in a car crash and I have to say the sex was fantastic she knew exactly what to do and what I liked and over the years it just got better and better and better when she died I was lucky enough to find another lady and we dated, we were together for nine years and again the sex was fantastic it was a good love in both our cases.

 

I have been coming to Thailand off and on for about eight years. Then I retired here three years ago I was with a lady for five years and the sex was okay then we finished.  I found another lady to love .  I was with her for two years and again the sex was okay she loved me deeply I did love her but she had many problems and in the end I had to leave.

I've had sex with some of the ladies of the night and some of the ladies I have met by other means i.e. the Internet ThaiFriendly et cetera , even an escort in Bangkok who demanded 10,000 Bhat for an exclusive service for two hours, I gave her the money and I also gave her some advice about how crap she was and I made sure I reviewed her in several locations on  the Internet.

Overall I have to say the sex here is rubbish I wouldn't pay five hundred baht ….

 

I do not have a high expectation rate about sex.  They have three holes and if they do not want to use one of them I am ok with that.

 

I am fit I am active I am 70 I've been practicing judo all my life so I have quite a good sex drive but what it is, sex can be good and sex can be bad and again I have to say in Thailand it is bad because the ladies they have no feeling they do not really love and that is a missing element.

 

But I have to say the Thai ladies are very sweet and very loving but they can also be a nightmare and I have nothing but admiration and respect for ALL Thai ladies.

 

I am still looking for her……..

 

Is there any point to any of this?

7 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I am 100% good with the many lengths of pipe that I’ve laid being totally forgotten.

 

Well YOU won't forget it. Which is what counts really. If the sex was amazing, you will remember it for the rest of your life. And her too probably.

 

That's the best case scenario of course.

 

In actual fact though good sex is not unimportant. Quite the opposite. Studies have shown  that over 90 percent of wives who have orgasms state they are still in love with their husband. Whereas 60% of women who don't have orgasms say they thought about cheating.

 

So giving her orgasms is directly related to the longevity of the relationship.

 

No pressure.

On 5/1/2025 at 3:35 PM, GinBoy2 said:

Jeeez, how much of a guys life is actually taken up having sex?

 

Wouldn't better measure be how much of your life was actually having a life with someone, enjoying just simple stuff, watching TV, cooking, smiling at grandkid pics, laughing when someone farts?

 

Fella's, sex ain't everything, and don't die if thats all you got to leave to the world, which is in no way remembered

 

I don't think guys just want sex.

 

There is literally a bar in thailand called "The Friendship Bar". 

 

Guys not only spend a lot of time in these bars because they like to drink. They enjoy the female company.

You can get it in one committed relationship, or you can hang out in bars and get it outsourced by a bunch of different women for the price of a few drinks. 

 

 

13 hours ago, Cameroni said:

In actual fact though good sex is not unimportant. Quite the opposite. Studies have shown  that over 90 percent of wives who have orgasms state they are still in love with their husband. Whereas 60% of women who don't have orgasms say they thought about cheating.

Don't care, let them cheat, then you can cheat too!

On 5/2/2025 at 2:05 AM, GinBoy2 said:

What the f++++k do you talk about with a wife/partner young enough to be your daughter, or granddaughter?

 

You sound like Judith, in Two and a Hal Men

 

 

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well YOU won't forget it. Which is what counts really. If the sex was amazing, you will remember it for the rest of your life. And her too probably.

 

That's the best case scenario of course.

 

In actual fact though good sex is not unimportant. Quite the opposite. Studies have shown  that over 90 percent of wives who have orgasms state they are still in love with their husband. Whereas 60% of women who don't have orgasms say they thought about cheating.

 

So giving her orgasms is directly related to the longevity of the relationship.

 

No pressure.

There may also be another side to this .... I've had relationships where trying to give her an orgasm was like running an ultra marathon whilst doing a rubrics cube.  But with my Thai lady, all the things I like doing to her body send her over the top.  

 

So maybe it's more about physical compatibility than just the big finish?

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Don't care, let them cheat, then you can cheat too!

 

That's what is happening now, I have 3 girls lined ujp to stay at Hostal Cameroni in the next 4 weeks.. I didn't want it to be this way, but you know what she did.

 

 

3 hours ago, Kinnock said:

There may also be another side to this .... I've had relationships where trying to give her an orgasm was like running an ultra marathon whilst doing a rubrics cube.  But with my Thai lady, all the things I like doing to her body send her over the top.  

 

So maybe it's more about physical compatibility than just the big finish?

 

You make a good point. Some women cannot orgasm. Fact. So no matter how you try, you'd be wasting your time. Most however can, and they appreciate if it works for her, but you have to run a fine line, because you don't want to "perform". You want to go slow and savour the time, enjoy it yourself and try that she enjoys it, but without any performance anxiety which is contra-productive. You have to make an effort that she like it as well though, or she won't stick around long. Unless  you don't want her to, then you can do what you like of course.

 

Girls will surprise you though, demure and "cute" girls love to get spanked hard and have their hair pulled, it's surprising sometimes.

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Guys not only spend a lot of time in these bars because they like to drink. They enjoy the female company.

 

Of course, Most guys enjoy charming female company.

 

There's a line in a Sabrina Carpenter song "If you don't want me - I'll just deem you gay". This is the approach of the attractive female, if you don't like her there's something wrong with YOU. We should have the same attitude. This line encapsulates the secret to success, total confidence in your "desirability". What guy would say "if you don't want me I'll just deem you a lesbian." But this is how women think. It's the right way to go about it if you want female compoany. Total confidence in yourself, ie in the fact that others want you, and if they don't, there's something wrong with them. Hahahaha.

 

On 5/2/2025 at 2:05 AM, GinBoy2 said:

What the f++++k do you talk about with a wife/partner young enough to be your daughter, or granddaughter?

The same stuff I would talk to my daughter or granddaughter.

Music, movies, TV shows, computer games, food, shopping, chores.

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The same stuff I would talk to my daughter or granddaughter.

Music, movies, TV shows, computer games, food, shopping, chores.

Good point.  While my Missus is 17 years older than my daughter, she is still theoretically within a 'daughter' age group if I'd started a family when I was much younger.

 

In our relationship she seems to take on several roles a day, depending on the circumstances .....

 

Wife

Mother

Friend

Naughty step daughter

 

The more I am with women, the more I come to the conclusion that attraction is the key ingredient. If she's not really attracted to you, and attraction can vary on a scale, let's say 0 to 10 for simplicity, then with a mere attraction of 5 to  6 you will have a difficult and unpleasant time. She will disappear and flake on you, try to exercise other options and worst case scenario cheat on you.

 

You'll probably never be in the 10 range unless you look like Pierce Brosnan or  you fulfill a deep rooted need in her or represent some archetype in her past experience that is connected with high desirability.

 

However, you can be in the 8 to 9 range relatively often if you have decent looks and grooming and dress well, and have an above average lifestyle, and that will often suffice for the girl to show a good level of interest and be happy with you and desire you.

 

You can actually CREATE attraction by how you interact with her too. Many good looking girls are with men that aren't that good looking but their behaviour elevates their attraction level to an 8 or 9 when their looks are a mere 6.

 

 

Def true. But I think you can only go up two numbers at the most. A six can be with Kevin Samuels calls a movable six. Attitude, into you factor, other compatibilities.

 

But I don’t think a six can ever really be a nine. The nines are few and far between in your life.

 

I’m in that boat now with someone I went on a date with. Objectively, she is the very definition of a six physically. But the energy is good, and I’m getting medium into me indicators.
 

More to the point, I am ready to have a girlfriend if it’s not too demanding.  Relationship readiness is different from wanting a relationship. You could want it really badly, but not be in a good head for it. We see this on this forum all the time.

 

So if this has a run, I can expect to be more attracted to her up the road. I can tell she is likewise on the same physicalityfence. She said diplomatically, “ I’m really glad to hear that you’re committed to your gym habit”.

 

Readiness + mutual attraction usually means something is going to happen because those planets so seldom align, even imperfectly

 

 

 

On 5/2/2025 at 2:35 AM, GinBoy2 said:

Jeeez, how much of a guys life is actually taken up having sex?

 

Wouldn't better measure be how much of your life was actually having a life with someone, enjoying just simple stuff, watching TV, cooking, smiling at grandkid pics, laughing when someone farts?

 

Fella's, sex ain't everything, and don't die if thats all you got to leave to the world, which is in no way remembered

 

Sex or intimacy should be a daily part of every relationship.  You can do all the things you listed and still have a great sex life. 
Life would suck without it 

18 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Def true. But I think you can only go up two numbers at the most. A six can be with Kevin Samuels calls a movable six. Attitude, into you factor, other compatibilities.

 

But I don’t think a six can ever really be a nine. The nines are few and far between in your life.

 

I’m in that boat now with someone I went on a date with. Objectively, she is the very definition of a six physically. But the energy is good, and I’m getting medium into me indicators.
 

More to the point, I am ready to have a girlfriend if it’s not too demanding.  Relationship readiness is different from wanting a relationship. You could want it really badly, but not be in a good head for it. We see this on this forum all the time.

 

So if this has a run, I can expect to be more attracted to her up the road. I can tell she is likewise on the same physicalityfence. She said diplomatically, “ I’m really glad to hear that you’re committed to your gym habit”.

 

Readiness + mutual attraction usually means something is going to happen because those planets so seldom align, even imperfectly

 

 

 

 

That's an excellent point, it can defiinitely work the other way around as well, ie a woman that is a 6 but has that smiley, cheerful, positive attitude and is  very loving, warm and into you, can quickly move up to an 8 in attractiveness by the things she does as well.  Works both ways. I have a girl coming tonight for  10 days who's also a 6 and also 35 years old, but she has that smiley and fun vibe, so I'm giving her a chance just because I sense she's so into me. Plus I'm tired of how pretty 25 year old girls act sometimes, so entitled, dishonest and full of themselves.

 

And yes there is a limit, no matter what you do, you'll never go up to a Brad Pitt or Keanu Reeves level of  attraction, two points sounds about right. But then most women are NOT with a Keanu Reeves or Brad Pitt, but with ordinary guys that do not look that great. I am actually struck how some of the most attractive girls I've been with had very average to below average looking exes.

 

 

So nice to see that AN is keeping the sext tourism content fresh and strong

27 minutes ago, madone said:

So nice to see that AN is keeping the sext tourism content fresh and strong

I think you must be reading a diff thread.

 

But if someone wants to go to a hooker, what do you care?