Trump gets a Deportation Set-back

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but that Act was created following normal protocol not as an executive order or just deciding in a whim, right?

An actual law, not an executive order.  Of course, so was the Alien Exclusion Act. 

[cjinchiangrai]

34 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Go ahead.  Make us a flowchart.

 

Did you ever hear the term "variable due process"?   Or do you want to twist logic and contend that all due process is the same because it's called due process?  

It is all the same with various decision points.

[jas007]

16 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It is all the same with various decision points.

Not exactly.  Due process may mean "whatever process is due" under the circumstances, but sometimes, it's not just that a decision is made at a certain point, but that it's all you get under that particular setup.  For example, under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996, hearing rights may be limited, or, a person's formal appeal process may be curtailed.   In other words, the process stops, not because a decision has been made, but because that's all the process available. 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Not exactly.  Due process may mean "whatever process is due" under the circumstances, but sometimes, it's not just that a decision is made at a certain point, but that it's all you get under that particular setup.  For example, under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996, hearing rights may be limited, or, a person's formal appeal process may be curtailed.   In other words, the process stops, not because a decision has been made, but because that's all the process available. 

And multiple processes can be layered into a larger process.

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

 

You’ve proven nothing except stating your opinion.

[ThreeCardMonte]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

The people of the United States elected a President. Not a dictator.

Agreed!  Trump is a great President.

 

Not a dictator.  Only in the minds of Democrats, not the people who elected him.

 

Meanwhile lefty Democrats are having a meltdown.  Yep!

 

 

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

You’ve proven nothing except stating your opinion.

And you have not read the judgements of the district and Supreme Court. Stop hiding behind deliberate ignorance.

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

But not the same legal process. 

 

All of the sudden, the left cares about the law, too funny. 

 

Yes, the same legal process. As the Supreme Court said, in one of their recent rulings on the Abrego Garcia case:

 

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“It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” 

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf

[ThreeCardMonte]

18 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And you have not read the judgements of the district and Supreme Court. Stop hiding behind deliberate ignorance.

From a real Border Czar, Tom Homan.  Not the  fake one under the Biden administration, Kamala who visited the border area ONCE. and never left the tarmac.

 

Speaking of your revered judges, regardless who appointed them.  Turns out they’re not so law abiding after all.

 

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

5 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

WRONG! Everyone gets legal process, citizen or not. 

He got his!  That’s why he’s back home in El Salvador.

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Another misinformed leftist.

 

Even the Tesla Torchers?  Or are they exempt from prosecution?

You don't appear to understand what "due process" means. Due process doesn't mean being immune from prosecution, it means that a person's legal rights are respected and that the government must follow a prescribed process when taking actions that could affect their rights, such as (for instance) when prosecuting them for a crime.

[cjinchiangrai]

3 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

He got his!  That’s why he’s back home in El Salvador.

 

 

Not charged, not adjudicated, no hearing, no due process. The video is a misdirection.

[ThreeCardMonte]

9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You don't appear to understand what "due process" means. Due process doesn't mean being immune from prosecution, it means that a person's legal rights are respected and that the government must follow a prescribed process when taking actions that could affect their rights, such as (for instance) when prosecuting them for a crime.

Oh, I completely understand.  For U.S. Citizens.

 

No go for illegal aliens.

 

What confuses you?  Illegal or alien?

[ThreeCardMonte]

10 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Not charged, not adjudicated, no hearing, no due process. The video is a misdirection.

According to you.  I get it.

 

Not for the vast majority that voted Trump in office for this specific purpose, amongst others.

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

According to you.  I get it.

 

Not for the vast majority that voted Trump in office for this specific purpose, amongst others.

What vast majority would that be? Trump didn't even win a majority of the votes, much less a vast one.

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Oh, I completely understand.  For U.S. Citizens.

 

No go for illegal aliens.

 

What confuses you?  Illegal or alien?

It's a pretty good bet that the Supreme Court feels differently. They took the unusual step of intervening to stop the deportation of those Venezuelans to El Salvador.

[ThreeCardMonte]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What vast majority would that be? Trump didn't even win a majority of the votes, much less a vast one.

Are you that draft?  Landslide electoral and majority of the popular .

 

News flash:  that’s why Trump is President and Harris isn’t. 
 

Many are still having a hard time accepting the fact.

 

There is no cure .

[ThreeCardMonte]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's a pretty good bet that the Supreme Court feels differently. They took the unusual step of intervening to stop the deportation of those Venezuelans to El Salvador.

 
Venezuela sounds like a great place for removed/deported Venezuelans.  
 

I have no issue with that.

[GroveHillWanderer]

32 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Oh, I completely understand.  For U.S. Citizens.

 

No go for illegal aliens.

 

What confuses you?  Illegal or alien?

You're the one who's confused. As the extract from the Supreme Court ruling I quoted earlier states, even illegal aliens must be afforded due process.

 

In case that wasn't clear enough for you, the following law journal article also states it, quite unequivocally.

 

https://www.lawshelf.com/blogentryview/the-due-process-rights-of-illegal-entrants-to-the-united-states

 

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Two Supreme Court cases dating back to the late nineteenth century have established that non-citizens, even those who are in the United States illegally, are also guaranteed due process of the law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

(Emphasis mine).

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[ThreeCardMonte]

9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You're the one who's confused. As the extract from the Supreme Court ruling I quoted earlier states, even illegal aliens must be afforded due process.

 

In case that wasn't clear enough for you, the following law journal article also states it, quite unequivocally.

 

https://www.lawshelf.com/blogentryview/the-due-process-rights-of-illegal-entrants-to-the-united-states

 

(Emphasis mine).

And the murder victims of the illegal aliens due is guaranteed by who?

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

And the murder victims of the illegal aliens due is guaranteed by who?

Sorry, that doesn't even make any sense. What does, "murder victims of the illegal aliens due," mean?

[ThreeCardMonte]

12 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Sorry, that doesn't even make any sense. What does, "murder victims of the illegal aliens due," mean?

Due process.  Typo 

 

I thought you might be intelligent enough to figure that out.

 

I assumed wrong.

[GroveHillWanderer]

12 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

And the murder victims of the illegal aliens due is guaranteed by who?

But if you meant, "who guarantees the due process rights of the murder victims of illegal aliens," then again, you haven't understood what"due process" means.

 

Due process applies when a person is subject to certain proceedings by the government, such as prosecution for a crime. It doesn't apply to someone who is dead, they tend not to get prosecuted, as a general rule.

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

12 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

But if you meant, "who guarantees the due process rights of the murder victims of illegal aliens," then again, you haven't understood what"due process" means.

 

Due process applies when a person is subject to certain proceedings by the government, such as prosecution for a crime. It doesn't apply to someone who is dead, they tend not to get prosecuted, as a general rule.

 

Oh, so you support illegal alien criminals who broke the laws entering our country or who were deliberately let in under the Biden administration OVER their victims .

 

I understand that is part of the Democratic platform but will never accept it.

 

You people indeed have a demented  ideology.

Have you considered showing your unconstitutional support and enthusiasm for criminal illegal aliens  towards their victims and their families?

 

[Wrwest]

On 5/2/2025 at 1:08 PM, frank83628 said:

So you support lillegal gang members in the US?

Demonstrating the need for critical thinking ability or ... just choosing to ignore the issue addressed in the Court Decision.

[Wrwest]

On 5/2/2025 at 1:23 PM, frank83628 said:

So why post this with such excitement?

You posted it because you like the fact these judges are tryin to stop Trump from doing what he said he'd do, did you post here or says a single word when Obama deported 3million? Many without due process... as you can see below

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18rwd9adkP/

As if there was not a difference. Yes, Obama deported and Clinton reduced the number of federal employees. Now, do try to think ... what was the difference? They followed the law or the results would have been like Court Decisions.

[Wrwest]

On 5/2/2025 at 1:29 PM, jas007 said:

This is hardly news.  And the issue is far from settled.  The litigation continues. 

 

What you may come to find out is that lower level federal judges will not be allowed to stop the President of the USA from conducting US foreign policy.  Were it otherwise, imagine what that would mean.  Don't like a Presidential policy? No problem, just shop for a judge and file a lawsuit.  You win, the President loses.  That's not going to fly with the Supreme Court.  It's stupid on its face. 

Very funny. Shopping for sympathetic Judges/ Exactly why the swept up deportees were sent to a Texas facility from their resident state.

[metisdead]

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[ThreeCardMonte]

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is there no one else out there who can help three card Monte understand the difference between a majority and a plurality? 

I've tried explain to him that while a plurality of voters went for Trump, a majority did not. That explanation doesn't seem to have taken.

 

No can help you except your math teacher.

 

 I love watching/listening to the logic of “you people “.

 

I don’t agree but now understand how you come up with your replies after watching this .

 

Check it out.