Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

What are you saying?

 

it wasn’t Trump’s fault?  This time.

Big yawn 🥱🥱🥱😴

Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

Rhodesia 

It's called Zimbabwe.

1 minute ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Rhodesia 

 

🙂

8 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's called Zimbabwe.

 

and it's a toilet now , nothing there but the infrastructure built by the whites 

 

Was charming and productive  when Rhodesia .....

 

 

 

How does anyone think all those White people got control of that land in the first place? 🥺

13 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

and it's a toilet now , nothing there but the infrastructure built by the whites 

 

Was charming and productive  when Rhodesia .....

 

 

 

I don't disagree.  Glad I left (when it was still Rhodesia), but it's called Zimbabwe now.

36 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Why u so btthurt ?

 

Trump is doing God's work.....

 

Was god behind the fake assassination attempt?

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Of course it is Britain's fault. If Britons wouldn't have exploited the country but give the Blacks a good education, and invested in infrastructure.....aso....it could be a better place now.

Yeah the educated ones exploit the others. Its a cultural thing.

Another country to add to the growing list that hates America.

 

 

2 hours ago, MeaMaximaCulpa said:

 

I usually don’t get involved in the political threads on the forum, but I must admit I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame or to the proverbial slow motion train wreck. For shock and entertainment. But I will make an exception today, because the above comment I saw from @spidermike007 just cannot go unanswered. This also includes a lot of his “mates”, but I shall not bother to name them here, we all know who they are by now, as do they of course. Either they are pure trolls, they participate in the inane “post-count competition”, or they are just grossly uninformed, willfully or otherwise. On the flip side, there are also many well informed commenters here. We don’t have always to agree, but we should discuss issues and facts.

So when faced with a serious and complex subject like what is going on in South Africa, the best you can come up with is a sad little attack on Trump, and a very unfunny “joke” about the price of his suit. Really? Really? Pathetic. Have you ever even been to South Africa? Have you studied the background and history? Anything at all? Do you even care?

This will be a bit long, but hopefully worth reading if you care about the world around you. It is a parallel to the Russia/Ukraine debacle, where I am met with “Russia attacked, so nothing more to discuss”. Well a lot actually, because history and context matters. A lot. But just for the record: I am NOT condoning apartheid, nor am I a Putin apologist. So just don’t bother to go there.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I did spend five years living and working there (in Pinetown, outside Durban), and travelled extensively around the country, talking to people everywhere, from all walks of life, including my own employees and people in squatter camps and “black townships”. Man did they have tales to tell. South Africa was a great country, with great natural resources, geography, infrastructure, climate, people and a promising future. I wish I could write “is”, but I am not sure if the situation can be turned around before it is too late, before we have “Zimbabwe V2.0”. I still hope to be proven wrong!

I was there in the 1990s, during the time that Madiba (Mandela) was released from prison, the first free election held, and the setting up of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It was a time of amazing energy, hope, and good will. The highly troubled peoples finally seemed to have some sense of a common purpose and vision of better times to come. And with a stellar statesman like Madiba at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Well, too much was resting on Madiba’s shoulders, and when he died, things started to unravel. I shall not bore you with details, read up for yourself if you care. But the short story is that without competent and strong leadership infighting, corruption, greed and hatred started to get the upper hand.

There are many articles and videos on the interweb to study, one I found interesting and scary was Lauren Southern’s “Farmlands” (from 2018):

I can promise you the situation has not improved in the 7 years since then. We also now have the collapse of Eskom (national electricity utility), where it is so run into the ground that it can no longer provide stable power to consumers and businesses.

I remember hearing about the government of Zambia reaching out to the white Afrikaaner farmers (from South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe) and inviting them to settle in Zambia. They got cheap/free farmland to help move agriculture forward to modern standards so Zambia could feed its people. A very smart move indeed, because these people know how to farm!

I will not engage in a mudslinging contest, and therefore not answer any responses unless they are showing genuine interest and curiosity, and is contributing to a better understanding of the issue. Then I’m all yours!
 

Thanks for the unique and on the ground perspective.  It is as many former colonies, too fast to independence and still harboring the old resentments and tribal animosity. No trust in government institutions, no trust in the rule of law, overwhelming corruption. This story has been told repeatedly throughout the region.

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2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Name only one British colony where Britains left as friends? None. Kicked out everywhere.

Why? Because they treated the people brutally, killed them, took their resources and left like thieves.

 

1 small correction - they didn't leave 'like' thieves. They were thieves. The British empire became so rich because of thievery and exploitation. 

11 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Normal presidents don't act like a vulgar mob-boss, especially when entertaining another head of state.

Normal people don't support a president who behaves this way.

Who said he is normal?

Well done Trump, why let fellow travellers to race murder off the hook?

 

 

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I don't disagree.  Glad I left (when it was still Rhodesia), but it's called Zimbabwe now.

 

More usually from the bread basket of Africa to the basket case of Africa, since the black Africans took over

Legacy (fake media) all told to regurgitate the exact same 'ambush' headline.

 

Trump gave a masterclass (again) how to check the world's corrupt leaders who keep coming to the White House to beg .....

 

 

7 hours ago, MeRakThai said:

Yes i have been to South Africa, soweto, Johannesburg etc. you are correct and criticism of you needs addressing. Trump seems to be pissed off at South Africa for political reasons . The below is from the ABC and taken from correspondents in cape town:

Both white and Black farmers and even conservative white Afrikaner groups debunked the Trump administration’s “genocide” and land seizure claims that led the U.S. to cut all financial aid to South Africa. Farmers agree that violent crime is a problem for everyone.

 

Latest stats from South Africa 

"the latest figures show that nearly 10,000 people were murdered in the country between October and December 2024. Of these, a dozen were killed in farm attacks and of the 12, one was a farmer, while five were farm dwellers and four were employees, who are likely to have been black."

Trump lies through ommision

Trump lies every time he opens his foul mouth. He creates narratives (they're eating the dogs, they're eating your cats) like a breakfast cook creates home fries. Lying is all he knows and it has served him well. Most of his fortune was acquired through the con, and he continues to employ it. And the saddest part is how many people buy his fabrications and distortions. 

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump lies every time he opens his foul mouth. He creates narratives (they're eating the dogs, they're eating your cats) like a breakfast cook creates home fries. Lying is all he knows and it has served him well. Most of his fortune was acquired through the con, and he continues to employ it. And the saddest part is how many people buy his fabrications and distortions. 

get a grip brother

7 hours ago, MeaMaximaCulpa said:

 

I usually don’t get involved in the political threads on the forum, but I must admit I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame or to the proverbial slow motion train wreck. For shock and entertainment. But I will make an exception today, because the above comment I saw from @spidermike007 just cannot go unanswered. This also includes a lot of his “mates”, but I shall not bother to name them here, we all know who they are by now, as do they of course. Either they are pure trolls, they participate in the inane “post-count competition”, or they are just grossly uninformed, willfully or otherwise. On the flip side, there are also many well informed commenters here. We don’t have always to agree, but we should discuss issues and facts.

So when faced with a serious and complex subject like what is going on in South Africa, the best you can come up with is a sad little attack on Trump, and a very unfunny “joke” about the price of his suit. Really? Really? Pathetic. Have you ever even been to South Africa? Have you studied the background and history? Anything at all? Do you even care?

This will be a bit long, but hopefully worth reading if you care about the world around you. It is a parallel to the Russia/Ukraine debacle, where I am met with “Russia attacked, so nothing more to discuss”. Well a lot actually, because history and context matters. A lot. But just for the record: I am NOT condoning apartheid, nor am I a Putin apologist. So just don’t bother to go there.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I did spend five years living and working there (in Pinetown, outside Durban), and travelled extensively around the country, talking to people everywhere, from all walks of life, including my own employees and people in squatter camps and “black townships”. Man did they have tales to tell. South Africa was a great country, with great natural resources, geography, infrastructure, climate, people and a promising future. I wish I could write “is”, but I am not sure if the situation can be turned around before it is too late, before we have “Zimbabwe V2.0”. I still hope to be proven wrong!

I was there in the 1990s, during the time that Madiba (Mandela) was released from prison, the first free election held, and the setting up of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It was a time of amazing energy, hope, and good will. The highly troubled peoples finally seemed to have some sense of a common purpose and vision of better times to come. And with a stellar statesman like Madiba at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Well, too much was resting on Madiba’s shoulders, and when he died, things started to unravel. I shall not bore you with details, read up for yourself if you care. But the short story is that without competent and strong leadership infighting, corruption, greed and hatred started to get the upper hand.

There are many articles and videos on the interweb to study, one I found interesting and scary was Lauren Southern’s “Farmlands” (from 2018):

I can promise you the situation has not improved in the 7 years since then. We also now have the collapse of Eskom (national electricity utility), where it is so run into the ground that it can no longer provide stable power to consumers and businesses.

I remember hearing about the government of Zambia reaching out to the white Afrikaaner farmers (from South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe) and inviting them to settle in Zambia. They got cheap/free farmland to help move agriculture forward to modern standards so Zambia could feed its people. A very smart move indeed, because these people know how to farm!

I will not engage in a mudslinging contest, and therefore not answer any responses unless they are showing genuine interest and curiosity, and is contributing to a better understanding of the issue. Then I’m all yours!
 

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

 

10 hours ago, thesetat said:

You mean, be diplomatic by lying to everyone and doing the opposite of what you say? Cover up the bad things and hide them using double talk or by averting the topics or outright silence? 

Sounds like you miss Biden as President. 

 

Very poor and off topic deflection.

 

The topic is about Trump and Ramaphosa and nothing to do with ex President Biden. 

 

Why is it that Trump supporters seem to be unable to stick to the topic?

10 hours ago, Tug said:

I’m waiting for a real world leader to just get fed up with the vulgarian and let the big mouth have it on the world stage on camera no mercy and just call this troll out.

Better to simply pack up and walk away, and completely ignore Trump and his acolytes.

20 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

I’m not surprised.

 

They ruined Rhodesia.

 Spoken as a bonafide ignorant bigot. Zimbabwe was ruined by the arrival of Cecil Rhodes and his theft of African property in the 1880's.Rhodesia was never a legitimate country.  In 1965, it illegally acted on its own and rebelled against  its ruler the United Kingdom.

15 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

 

 

 

 

And these people are actually trying to pretend that Trump is in the wrong.  The denial of non-Whites doing anything bad and Whites being victims is chilling.

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Better to simply pack up and walk away, and completely ignore Trump and his acolytes.

I know the problem is that the USA (for now) has to much economic clout no leader ( no much how they would like to absolutely humiliate this clown on the world stage) can do it because of the repercussions..….still a nice thought and if anyone deserves a good public dressing down it’s one Donald jhon trump!

8 hours ago, candide said:

Post to be ignored for being baseless, as usual! 😆

I ignore all his posts as he is on my ignore list. I only see any of his posts if somebody responds to him.

Plaasmoorde: The Killing Fields (2018) Katie Hopkins' documentary about the South African farmers

 

Oh dear, the Trump fanboys club has been fooled again. When will they learn?

I suggest posters read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

Fact Checking Trump's Oval Office confontration with Ramaphos

The rows of white crosses along a rural road which Trump claimed were burial sites of over a thousand  white farmers were in fact a temporary memorial in protest against the murder of one white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020.

The crosses are no longer there.

 Out of a total of 26,232 murders in South Africa last year, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, only eight were of farmers.

Hardly figures of genocide!

 The image Trump showed which he claimed was evidence of white farmer killings in South Africa isn't from South Africa - it's actually from a report about women being killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo!

 

 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Better to simply pack up and walk away, and completely ignore Trump and his acolytes.

I tend to agree, so far Zelensky has been the biggest man to step to the plate, and he gave Trump quite a bit of pushback with his Ukraine related lies, and look at what he got for that.

 

Trump is a tiny, sad man and an incredible loser, and he has skin that's thinner than tissue paper, so anyone that annoys or offends him ends up paying a huge price for it, especially on live TV.

 

So it's best just to ignore the creep and allow him to make America less relevant again.