It's good John McCain didn't live to see this.

He saved the ACA.

Trump's maga movement is now gutting it.

 

The big ugly CRUEL bill not only massively guts Medicaid.

It will also automatically trigger 4 percent annual budget reductions to Medicare.

It kills subsidies for the ACA, which in effect, kills the point of the program.

 

I don't know how many of those 14 million people being set up to be royally screwed by Maga/Trump are in his cult or voted for this regime, but needless to say, a huge portion.

 

The Trump regime 2.0 is turning the U.S. into a dystopian hellscape and we're still in the early days of it.

 

Trump's Tax Bill Would Decimate the Affordable Care Act

BTW -- to those who say harsh cuts are needed to cut the deficit, I call B.S.

This ugly bill is projected to INCREASE the debt by TRILLIONS of dollars.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

BTW -- to those who say harsh cuts are needed to cut the deficit, I call B.S.

This ugly bill is projected to INCREASE the debt by TRILLIONS of dollars.

Less services more tax burden for the working class all to coddle those needy billionaires…….heres a thought tax the rich!!

Broken promises all around.

My understanding is that the sleazeball magas are structuring these murderous changes to not hit hard until AFTER the midterms.

As there may not be real elections by 2018, that is significant. 

 

Trump made a promise not to touch Medicare. His megabill just broke it.

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Broken promises all around.

My understanding is that the sleazeball magas are structuring these murderous changes to not hit hard until AFTER the midterms.

As there may not be real elections by 2018, that is significant. 

 

Trump made a promise not to touch Medicare. His megabill just broke it.

You know these programs need to be cut.

 

In 2024. Medicare cost 865 billion or 3% of the GDP.

Social Security cost 1.5 trillion or 5% of the GDP.

Medicaid cost 618 billion for 2.1% of the GDP. 

Then toss in other mandatory social spending programs that bring the total cost of all these programs at 4.1 trillion.  

ending 

Discretionary spending is 1.8 trillion.   This non military and military spending.  

 

Then there is 881 billion to service the national debt.  

 

The total spending is 6.8 trillion for 23.4% of the GDP.   

 

The last time the US had a balanced budget spending was about 18% of the GDP.  

 

In 2022 the USA saw near record revenue at a tad under 19% of the GDP, and the US still saw a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit.  As you can see the dems built a government that we can't afford. 

 

 

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2025-03/61181-Federal-Budget.pdf

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

As there may not be real elections by 2018, that is significant. 

 

 

You do know it's 2025?

The full link which you failed for some reason not to attach is this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-tax-bill-would-decimate-the-affordable-care-act/ar-AA1FlSYb?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=91816008cc9a4cba9b935f5d88b4554e&ei=35

MSN. 

As for the 14 million how many are not entitled to receive benefits?

If they're kicking out able bodied adults who refuse to work, I'm all for it. 

 

If they're kicking out illegals who never paid a dime into the system, I'm all for it.

 

 

No matter what trump does, or doesn't do. his name will be remember by all for a thousand years. And that's ok with him.

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

BTW -- to those who say harsh cuts are needed to cut the deficit, I call B.S.

 

Are you misrepresenting the facts ?

 

Here's a link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-beautiful-bill-spans-more-than-1-000-pages-here-s-what-s-inside-it/ar-AA1Fe6tz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=91816008cc9a4cba9b935f5d88b4554e&ei=35

 

1 - In the other thread, you mentioned cuts to food aid. It's not exactly a cut. It's a transfer from federal to state. 

 

House Republicans would reduce spending on food aid, what is known as the Supplemental Nutrition and Assistance Program, by about $267 billion over 10 years.

States would shoulder 5% of benefit costs, beginning in fiscal 2028, and 75% of the administrative costs. Currently, states pay none of the benefit and half of the administration costs.

 

 

2 - Money is being cut in some areas, but it's being redistributed to other areas, which you goons constantly attacking Trump fail to mention. And not only that, continually assault Trump for greasing his pockets and his billionaire buddies. An EXAGGERATION. You remind me of a Bible thumper. When you point out weird passages in the Bible, they just pretend they don't exist. 

 

From the same article:

 

At the same time, the legislation would invest $60 billion in new money for agriculture programs, sending aid to farmers.

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

BTW -- to those who say harsh cuts are needed to cut the deficit, I call B.S.

This ugly bill is projected to INCREASE the debt by TRILLIONS of dollars.

Cuts are needed.   I posted the costs of each progam.   I'll debate you on this topic all day long and dog walk you.  

57 minutes ago, Tug said:

Less services more tax burden for the working class all to coddle those needy billionaires…….heres a thought tax the rich!!

 

This is another false narrative pushed by the left.  

1 minute ago, JohnOFphon said:

No matter what trump does, or doesn't do. his name will be remember by all for a thousand years. And that's ok with him.

If he doesn't start a war, bring people to Mars, save humanity, he will be forgotten quick.

 

He might be remembered for Trump Gaza Beach line, and one who gave 30% of Ukraine away, ripped them off at the same time, made Canada 51. State, Concurred Greenland, made Europe to economic super power, invaded Panama, nuked Iran

 

Something I forgot?

11 hours ago, impulse said:

If they're kicking out able bodied adults who refuse to work, I'm all for it. 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-beautiful-bill-spans-more-than-1-000-pages-here-s-what-s-inside-it/ar-AA1Fe6tz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=91816008cc9a4cba9b935f5d88b4554e&ei=35

 

New work requirements for Medicaid

To be eligible for Medicaid, there would be new “community engagement requirements” of at least 80 hours per month of work, education or service for able-bodied adults without dependents. 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

and one who gave 30% of Ukraine away

 

Rewriting history?  That was Obama (Crimea) and Biden (Donbas)

 

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Are you misrepresenting the facts ?

 

Here's a link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-beautiful-bill-spans-more-than-1-000-pages-here-s-what-s-inside-it/ar-AA1Fe6tz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=91816008cc9a4cba9b935f5d88b4554e&ei=35

 

1 - In the other thread, you mentioned cuts to food aid. It's not exactly a cut. It's a transfer from federal to state. 

 

House Republicans would reduce spending on food aid, what is known as the Supplemental Nutrition and Assistance Program, by about $267 billion over 10 years.

States would shoulder 5% of benefit costs, beginning in fiscal 2028, and 75% of the administrative costs. Currently, states pay none of the benefit and half of the administration costs.

 

 

2 - Money is being cut in some areas, but it's being redistributed to other areas, which you goons constantly attacking Trump fail to mention. And not only that, continually assault Trump for greasing his pockets and his billionaire buddies. An EXAGGERATION. You remind me of a Bible thumper. When you point out weird passages in the Bible, they just pretend they don't exist. 

 

From the same article:

 

At the same time, the legislation would invest $60 billion in new money for agriculture programs, sending aid to farmers.

 

 

Flawless victory. 

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

New work requirements for Medicaid

To be eligible for Medicaid, there would be new “community engagement requirements” of at least 80 hours per month of work, education or service for able-bodied adults without dependents. 

 

That's a good start, but it doesn't go far enough.

 

 

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Rewriting history?  That was Obama (Crimea) and Biden (Donbas)

 

As said ignorants who twist reality

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

BTW -- to those who say harsh cuts are needed to cut the deficit, I call B.S.

This ugly bill is projected to INCREASE the debt by TRILLIONS of dollars.

 

Projected by who?  Jake Tapper?  Jen Psaki?  Cringy Pierre?

 

I hope that all those supporting this destruction of US health care are Americans living in the USA so they can personally experience the intended and unintended consequences of the ultra-conservative madness over the coming years.

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

As said ignorants who twist reality

 

When did Putin take Crimea?  When did he take Donbas?  What did he take under Trump?

 

37 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

When did Putin take Crimea?  When did he take Donbas?  What did he take under Trump?

 

Can't reason either, as said living in another reality. Who invaded Crimea? Who invaded Ukraine? Nobody gave Ukraine away, Nobody threatened Ukraine to give up their fight for freedom until Donald came on-board. We can discuss simple rhetoric that lead to the war, but that was about Ukraine wanted to be partner with Europe and the west, not the Dictator Putin and Russia. 

 

Donald is a lying president, clumsy, ignorant, lives in another reality, unpresidental, rude, act like an mafiaboss, and his followers loves him for what he is, and defending an convicted man.

15 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

I hope that all those supporting this destruction of US health care are Americans living in the USA so they can personally experience the intended and unintended consequences of the ultra-conservative madness over the coming years.

 

Hard choices have to be made to SAVE the US healthcare system.  Choices like kicking out the able bodied adults that refuse to work and the illegals who never paid a dime into the system (and shouldn't even be in the country, never mind sucking the gub'ment tit).

 

Omg omg the fascism has started.

 

Who's moving out of USA to Thailand?

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Can't reason either, as said living in another reality. Who invaded Crimea? Who invaded Ukraine? Nobody gave Ukraine away, Nobody threatened Ukraine to give up their fight for freedom until Donald came on-board. We can discuss simple rhetoric that lead to the war, but that was about Ukraine wanted to be partner with Europe and the west, not the Dictator Putin and Russia. 

 

Donald is a lying president, clumsy, ignorant, lives in another reality, unpresidental, rude, at like an mafiaboss, and his followers loves him for what he is, and defending an convicted man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  ( Edited ).  We get it.  You don't like Trump because you listen to Rachel Maddow and Joy Behar.  And in this case, the neocon warmongers.

 

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  ( Edited ).  We get it.  You don't like Trump because you listen to Rachel Maddow and Joy Behar.  And in this case, the neocon warmongers.

 

You funny, do not even know them, but I listen to what Donald says and not say, and also what the rest of his crew says and not say. I see what he/they  are doing, and not doing.

 

oh I forgot, the first president who is openly corrupt 

 

what do you think of his crypto token, and how he is marketing and manipulating the world markeds? It’s unbelievable how you keep up with him on all his BS 

 

 Sad, sad statue literally 

 

Trump to host dinner for top holders of his crypto token – although many lost money with it

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/22/trump-crypto-sweepstakes-dinner

This thread will likely be loaded with alot of deflection by faithful devotees who have no interest in discussing the actual issues. Defend, defend and defend. Never admit Trump is insane, unhinged, or wrong. 

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

This thread will likely be loaded with alot of deflection by faithful devotees who have no interest in discussing the actual issues. Defend, defend and defend. Never admit Trump is insane, unhinged, or wrong. 

I think the same could be said about you.

6 minutes ago, flexomike said:

I think the same could be said about you.

Thanks. You have validated my assumption. 

1 hour ago, TedG said:

In 2024. Medicare cost 865 billion or 3% of the GDP.

Social Security cost 1.5 trillion or 5% of the GDP.

Are you really that dense?  Both those programs are NOT part of this budget.  Do you have any inkling why not?