On 6/30/2025 at 8:21 PM, PingRoundTheWorld said:

This isn't Thailand, it's PATTAYA. They do, for fun.

Yeah it seems to be more common these days and the law doesn't do much about it which they know very well!

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

Absolute nonsense, Richard was 100% correct, you must have watched a different recording.

yep, she was probably an Angel under cover.

On 6/30/2025 at 10:53 PM, Cameroni said:

 

It's really just the moment when he pushes her to the floor.

 

Clearly he was provoked by the girl grabbing him and then lost his composure. His overly forceful push sent the girl to the floor and this really triggered her then.

 

 

It's hardly excellent self-control if he pushes a girl to the floor so forcefully that he was lucky he didn't seriously injure her.

 

It's this one use of excessive force against her which would invalidate any self-defence claim and ensure he's convicted of assault.

 

The girl too is guilty of assault, as she slaps the defeated Swede when he kneels on all fours repeatedly.

 

 

We all know women in Thailand can fly into a rage easily. Which  is why it is such a fail to also lose your composure as the Swede did.  He should have removed the arm holding on to him, not push her to the floor hard, but he lost his composure and became aggressive. He was provoked, but it's no excuse.

We all know what kind of females are hanging around Pattaya's bar scene with the same kind of Thais around just waiting to find an excuse to beat up a foreigner.

On 6/30/2025 at 11:53 AM, Cameroni said:

 

The scum here clearly is the Swede who used brutal and excessive force to push a girl to the floor.

 

The Thais who exacted swift justice for this brutal assault are heroic really, they took on a much bigger man who was using force on women.

 

Good for them and hopefully this Swede will never get a visa to Thailand again.

 

Italiant mentality? What are you on about?

Great advertisement for Thai Tourism! There are certainly different ways to handle a disagreement, but in a trashy environment you cant expect too much, and it seems to get worse every year!

On 6/30/2025 at 11:01 AM, hunkidori said:

He clearly is trying to get away and does not want a confrontation.

 

ThoseThai dudes that hang around those places are itching to have a go at a farang and need little encouragement. Many of them are so called boyfriends of some of the slappers that work those bars.

 

If I was him I would insist on pressing charges against all of those who assaulted him

No wonder more and more people avoiding Thailand with the daily trashy issues and insulting behavior towards foreigners which basically support their living.

10 hours ago, roo860 said:

Absolute nonsense, Richard was 100% correct, you must have watched a different recording.

 

No, Richard got it badly wrong. As did you obviously.

 

The Swede clearly pushed her to the ground.

14 hours ago, CCesar said:

No wonder more and more people avoiding Thailand with the daily trashy issues and insulting behavior towards foreigners which basically support their living.

Would that include the 14 million arrivals in the first 5 months of this year? Apparently these were better quality tourists than the larger numbers in 2024!

17 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, Richard got it badly wrong. As did you obviously.

 

The Swede clearly pushed her to the ground.

 

Maybe it's not that black and white and if it ever went to court, opposing legal teams would be arguing the case with the judge and they would be playing the tape over and over in slow motion. 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

Maybe it's not that black and white and if it ever went to court, opposing legal teams would be arguing the case with the judge and they would be playing the tape over and over in slow motion. 

 

 

Well, if you look at the beginning of the video and focus on the Swede's left arm you'll see a pushing motion of the left arm, which goes towards the girl. Then he retracts the arm quicky. The timing and the force of the arm movement correspond exactly with the timing and force of the girl's fall.

 

No doubt  the judge would find the girl was pushed violently to the ground by the Swede.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, if you look at the beginning of the video and focus on the Swede's left arm you'll see a pushing motion of the left arm, which goes towards the girl. Then he retracts the arm quicky. The timing and the force of the arm movement correspond exactly with the timing and force of the girl's fall.

 

No doubt  the judge would find the girl was pushed violently to the ground by the Swede.

 

Something similar happened in another incident. I just watched a crime. One guy was beating someone up. Someone jumped in to interfere and put him in a headlock. And he died. The judge ruled that excessive force was not intentional. He was merely trying to subdue the guy. 

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

The judge ruled that excessive force was not intentional. He was merely trying to subdue the guy. 

 

He was very lucky. There are many cases where excessive force resulted in serious convictions and self-defence was rejected.

 

Even when burglars intruded in a home there's a case where someone shot them and was then handed a murder conviction for excessive force.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

He was very lucky. There are many cases where excessive force resulted in serious convictions and self-defence was rejected.

 

Even when burglars intruded in a home there's a case where someone shot them and was then handed a murder conviction for excessive force.

 

Yeah so it's at the discretion of the judge. It's not black or white.

And depends how good your lawyer is.

 

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah so it's at the discretion of the judge. It's not black or white.

And depends how good your lawyer is.

 

 

Well, as my constitutional law professor said : "If we knew what the law is, we wouldn't need lawyers to explain it to us". So obviously the judges don't have total discretion because they have to follow the law, but clearly they have ability to interpet the law in a way they think is the most just.

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, as my constitutional law professor said : "If we knew what the law is, we wouldn't need lawyers to explain it to us". So obviously the judges don't have total discretion because they have to follow the law, but clearly they have ability to interpet the law in a way they think is the most just.

 

Nah, judges are also emotional creatures.

And that might make the difference between a leniant and harsher sentence.

The laws are vague enough to allow human beings to play with them a little. 

 

In a case like this, their entire relationship history might be brought out.

And if he slept with 1000 hookers or if she was in the habit of trying to murder him with a cleaver in the kitchen, it will all come into play in the final verdict. 

 

 

19 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Nah, judges are also emotional creatures.

And that might make the difference between a leniant and harsher sentence.

The laws are vague enough to allow human beings to play with them a little. 

 

In a case like this, their entire relationship history might be brought out.

And if he slept with 1000 hookers or if she was in the habit of trying to murder him with a cleaver in the kitchen, it will all come into play in the final verdict. 

He was attacked by a random gang of Thai guys.

Unless they were policemen, and used due force, his relationship with a Thai hooker is nothing to do with the attack or the court action.

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

He was attacked by a random gang of Thai guys.

Unless they were policemen, and used due force, his relationship with a Thai hooker is nothing to do with the attack or the court action.

 

Actually, the Thai guys can claim "self defence" as in law you are allowed to defend another as you would defend yourself, so the relationship fight between the two could be relevant as the Swede appeared to shove her to the ground. 

 

This could have given grounds for the Thai guys to intervene to defend the girl.

On 7/1/2025 at 8:04 AM, save the frogs said:

 

The lines often get blurred very quick. 

Once the guy has been with the same hooker multiple times, it starts to become a sort of relationship. 

So envy can creep in just as it does in a normal relationship. 

Yes. This is weird but...

 

 

On 7/1/2025 at 3:45 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yep.. thats what I'm looking at... 

 

He's got his arms coving his head.

She's trying to wrench his left arm from his head.

He either slips, or just lets his left arm go, and backwards she calls, because she's off balance and using all her weight to pull his arm... 

 

It only 'looks like a push'  (to some) because of his arm movement, but thats just because he's let his arm go free rather than resisting her....

 

His arm is only lowered because she managed to wrench it free from his head, but in doing so lost her purchase of his arm and her balance. 

 

His other had remains on his head - I'm guessing if he wanted to push her, he might have done so with both hands. He was being very defensive, she slipped... 

 

 

 

Good job. Thank you.

 

On 7/1/2025 at 8:00 PM, BangkokReady said:

 

Because you're foreign and many Thai men hate foreign people and want to physically attack and injure them.

Pattaya Thais! 10-15 km away from Pattaya and you see "another world", real Thais

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Actually, the Thai guys can claim "self defence" as in law you are allowed to defend another as you would defend yourself, so the relationship fight between the two could be relevant as the Swede appeared to shove her to the ground. 

 

This could have given grounds for the Thai guys to intervene to defend the girl.

 

Yes, but that's when another person is in mortal danger or attempted murder or serious injury. Local and tourist - the law is the same.
 

You're overprotecting Thais, it's visible even from the moon.

For some reason you don't remember how recently Thais in Pattaya like to kick foreigners lying on the ground and exhausted on the head with all their might. At least three cases in the last 6-12 months. This is what was caught on private cameras and became publicly known. And now the guards have come up with a way to hide it by demanding that these videos be deleted on the spot.

7 minutes ago, Gaixare said:

Yes, but that's when another person is in mortal danger or attempted murder or serious injury.

 

The girl fell hard to the floor. She could have split her head open and sustained a serious injury.

 

7 minutes ago, Gaixare said:

For some reason you don't remember how recently Thais in Pattaya like to kick foreigners lying on the ground and exhausted on the head with all their might. At least three cases in the last 6-12 months. This is what was caught on private cameras and became publicly known. And now the guards have come up with a way to hide it by demanding that these videos be deleted on the spot.

 

That is true, and in this case the girl too was in fact slapping the Swede repeatedly as he was down. Hence, she too should have faced charges for assault.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

The girl fell hard to the floor. She could have split her head open and sustained a serious injury.

 

So if someone falls, do you suggest that a crowd pounce on them and kick them in the head, as the
PatThais did in this case?

And the girl didn't fall hard. It was just a light fall. And in general, people often fall, because they usually stand on two legs. Yes, sometimes you can break your head from a fall and die, but these are extremely rare cases, 1 in 100-1000.

It's another matter when a crowd pounces on you and kicks you with all their might while you're lying on the ground.

Truth is ... In a normal civilized society, the people around you should have separated them and called the police.

When the locals are full of hatred for a foreigner and are looking for any excuse to pounce on him in a crowd, that's different, this is a Family Resort.

 

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And in general, people often fall, because they usually stand on two legs. 

 

She didn't fall because she "stands on two legs". She fell because of the Swede, who pushed her to the floor.

 

If people see a woman being pushed to the floor and hitting the floor, it is normal for men to come to her aid. If an English woman were pushed to the floor in the UK by an Albanian no doubt English guys would come to assist her. It's very normal.

You’ll never see one Thai man fighting one foreign man never it’s always like 5 to 10 against one once they get on the ground that’s it watch the video once the guy gets on the ground one guy just goes up and kick them that’s what they do here TIT

Regardless of . .  ‘if’ . . he did something to offend someone, it should be dealt with by cops not a mob of Thai’s just out for a bashing a foreigner. This kind of behaviour is destroying Thailand’s friendly image of the land of smiles. . . with all the bashings on here and social media, most tourists don’t see it as a safe place to visit anymore. Just let the cops deal with him and and deport any trouble makers and let Thailand become The Land Of Smiles again. 

2 minutes ago, AllanA said:

Regardless of . .  ‘if’ . . he did something to offend someone, it should be dealt with by cops not a mob of Thai’s just out for a bashing a foreigner. This kind of behaviour is destroying Thailand’s friendly image of the land of smiles. . . with all the bashings on here and social media, most tourists don’t see it as a safe place to visit anymore. Just let the cops deal with him and and deport any trouble makers and let Thailand become The Land Of Smiles again. 

Then again, there is the  problem of tourists getting excessively drunk and belligerent and abusing the locals. 

On 6/29/2025 at 1:34 PM, Cameroni said:

Well, he did something to trigger that.

 

He's not telling the full story.

 

For obvious reasons.

Definitely deserved it then 

Another nail in coffin for pattaya ..and I live here chinese see this n go japan I think etc 

over years it has,got worse all drink related ..shame really how ever everybody has a phone now,so nothing missed ..

Could happen in those dirty filthy low class areas.

However, with some more police on the roads ........might have been prevented.

This incident was pictured in Swedish newspapers already. As a warning.

The victim claimed that he had first been attacked by his Thai girlfriend

 

Why they always avoid to call such a  woman  Prostitute instead?

Political Correctness finally started to invade this kingdom as well?

 

13 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Could happen in those dirty filthy low class areas.

 

not everyone can be high class like you. 

 

On 7/1/2025 at 8:00 PM, BangkokReady said:

 

Because you're foreign and many Thai men hate foreign people and want to physically attack and injure them.

 

...on Soi Buakhao, Soi 6 and the other, less salubrious parts of Pattaya.

 

There, sorted it for you.