4 hours ago, Bannoi said:

China will take over the world they will be the only car manufacturer. When everybody is driving a Chinese car the cars will take us all prisoner and will not let us out until we can all speak fluent Chinese.

Fantastic story.

What are those millions of chinese replaced by robots going to do.

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

What are those millions of chinese replaced by robots going to do.

Same as the US. Nobody cares. 

5 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Same as the US. Nobody cares. 

Thats not the way it works and thats a shallow response.

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Thats not the way it works and thats a shallow response.

There should be enough  in the Socialist countries to provide some basic living for displaced people. In mad  capitalist US though ....

 

26 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Thats not the way it works and thats a shallow response.

China's youth jobless rate rises to 16.9% in February

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-youth-jobless-rate-rises-169-february-2025-03-20/

 

And in the USA, recent computer science grads (those not creating AI) can't get jobs. Big trouble ahead.

14 hours ago, JAG said:

Expended a lot of blood and treasure in two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) in which we fought alongside your (s-hole) country at your request. Only to see you spectacularly bug out.

 

636 of our servicemen and servicewomen died fighting alongside yours. Not too bad for a s-hole country I would suggest!

So nothing lately, thanks!

I noticed one thing all the s-hole countries are doing, is agreeing to spend 5% on defense. 

 

How funny is that?

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I noticed one thing all the s-hole countries are doing, is agreeing to spend 5% on defense. 

 

How funny is that?

Even funnier that Trump only asked for 2%.

5 hours ago, gargamon said:

Even funnier that Trump only asked for 2%.

Trump asked 2% in his last term, and he pretty much got it. 

 

Now he asked for 5% and it looks like he’s getting that. 

 

Obama begged for 2% and everyone laughed.

 

poor lefties.

On 7/1/2025 at 7:19 PM, KhunLA said:

US, EU & JP are too far behind to even come close to catching up, within the next decade.   Best bet is continue their silly taxes/tariffs and hope they can compete sometime in the future.   Though highly unlikely.

You're right, of course, And it's only going to get worse. EV's are getting cheaper and cheaper which is typical for new industries. I'm afraid the US is going to be left behind. 

MAGA has got to get behind making American cars competitive. Right now, my fellow MAGA supporters here sound like the Americans who scoffed at Japanese car manufacturers back in the 60's. Except China is already huge in auto manufacturing and they're still scoffing.

On 7/2/2025 at 9:09 AM, mogandave said:

Trump asked 2% in his last term, and he pretty much got it. 

 

Now he asked for 5% and it looks like he’s getting that. 

 

Obama begged for 2% and everyone laughed.

 

poor lefties.

It's 3.5%! 🤣

On 7/1/2025 at 1:15 PM, candide said:

The only way is to unite and create a global market including those two entities, plus others such as Japan. This is obviously not what the current US administration is aiming at.

 

 

No, there is another way, based on innovation and IP. Additive manufacturing ("3D Printing") creates some interesting possibilities about where the value in a company lies.

 

Europe and the US have a 200 year old industrial legacy. What that means is we have a hell of a lot of under utilised industrial infrastructure, mostly smaller factories and workshops. Perfect for microfactories, which are the oppositie to Henry Ford's now outdated approach to manufacture.

 

Sure, the Chinese could build some huge factory, churning out lots and lots of virtually identical cars, which might or might not suite different drivers. A microfactory built around additive manufacturing, is at much smaller scale, producing models more in line with what you want, potentially at the city level. A conventional car factory, in order to switch to a new model, has to close down, retool up, and retrain the workforce. There is an enourmous supply chain to chase down, even for a styling change.

 

Microfactory, no issue. The workforce is minimal, and constant; their role is to not make things, but monitor function. To update a model, you send a new set of instructions to the printer.  Got a factory in a foreign clime that you need to pull out from? Send the code to brick the printers, write them off. No one is going to be able to use the printers again, and they can't even try and copy what was made there before.

 

To compete you play to your strengths, not your weaknesses. If we have any faith in our societies being superior to authoritarian societes, its throught freedom that encourages creative thinking, reduced prejudice that ensures we are not blind to those who are the most capable and our innate consumerism; we do know what the customer wants, because we are there listening to them.

 

The supply chain for microfactories will be completely radical.

 

 

https://knaufautomotive.com/microfactories-how-will-new-technologies-shape-the-automotive-industry/

 

https://www.home.sandvik/en/stories/articles/2019/11/microfactory-driving-local-motors/

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/1/2025 at 10:26 AM, KhunLA said:

as long as they keep banning cars from CH via tariffs

Tariffs do not ban imports.

But irrational tariffs like Trump's 50%-400% tariffs will  discourage imports because the import country cannot sell the inflated priced products due to tariff charge addition and thus will not order imported products.

35 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Tariffs do not ban imports.

But irrational tariffs like Trump's 50%-400% tariffs will  discourage imports because the import country cannot sell the inflated priced products due to tariff charge addition and thus will not order imported products.

You mean Biden's 100% tax prior to Trumps election, that makes them unaffordable.

 

 

Biden ... good

Trump ... bad 

 

Got it 👎

 

As USA refused to live in the 21st Century, and let consumers decide what's good for themselves.  Unlike TH, where affordable BEVs and Solar are readily available.

 

Why I left the USA, free from economic tyranny and PC BS.

 

Source (photo above):  https://www.utilitydive.com/news/joe-biden-china-tariff-hikes-ev-battery-semiconductor-final/727014/#:~:text=The Biden administration's dramatic hikes,go into effect in 2025.

 

What the tariffs actually are now, still a max of 100% (thanks Biden)

 

 

source: https://www.china-briefing.com/news/us-china-tariff-rates-2025/