Do western men know their worth?

[angryguy]

I will take taylor swift and travis kelce as an example. Travis Kelce being a stud, millionaire, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world with only the fastest and strongest athletes, only 35 years old. Taylor Swift at the end of her childmaking years, leftist, alot of emotional baggage, songs about all her past boyfriends, also 35 years old. I noticed that after they started dating Kelce doesnt seem as happy as he used to. Doesnt Kelce know that he can do alot better for himself?

 

what do you think? Do western men know their worth these days?

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Travis Kelce being a stud, millionaire, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world

 

Which sport is that ?

[CharlieH]

It’s honestly disappointing to see such a reductive and judgmental take on two people’s relationship—especially one that’s based on outdated gender roles and personal bias.

Reducing Taylor Swift to her age, political views, and "emotional baggage" while propping up Travis Kelce as some kind of prize to be lost or won not only ignores who they are as individuals but also reveals a toxic way of viewing relationships—as transactions based on status, looks, or reproductive value.

You don’t know either of them personally. To say Kelce “doesn’t seem as happy” is speculation, not insight. And framing Swift as someone he could “do better” than is pure misogyny dressed up as concern.

The idea that men “need to know their worth” only seems to come up when they’re dating women who don’t fit someone else’s narrow ideal. Maybe the more relevant question is: Do people still know how to value connection, character, and respect over shallow assumptions?

[Purdey]

Why do men need to know their worth? 

[transam]

Gawd.....................

[sidjameson]

Reducing all human interactions to transactions is very depressing. People want to share their lives and that means thoughts with another who "gets them" 

The two people the op are talking about live such rarified lives there's only a few potential partners out there.

[peter zwart]

24 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Which sport is that ?

Basketball of course. Duh 

[bkk6060]

Sure yes.  I was worth much more then a fat, old, stinky depressed lady with her hair in a bun and no makeup in the west.  Came here for young and sweet cuz I am worth it!

[pgrahmm]

12 minutes ago, peter zwart said:

Basketball of course. Duh 

How about football,  American style.....

I don't know about unhappy, but he does seem less boisterous & outgoing.....

[angryguy]

7 minutes ago, pgrahmm said:

How about football,  American style.....

I don't know about unhappy, but he does seem less boisterous & outgoing.....

I watch football alot, he used to be smiling all the time loving life. It seems he has let taytay dictate his frame

[Freddy42OZ]

51 minutes ago, angryguy said:

I will take taylor swift and travis kelce as an example. Travis Kelce being a stud, millionaire, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world with only the fastest and strongest athletes, only 35 years old. Taylor Swift at the end of her childmaking years, leftist, alot of emotional baggage, songs about all her past boyfriends, also 35 years old. I noticed that after they started dating Kelce doesnt seem as happy as he used to. Doesnt Kelce know that he can do alot better for himself?

 

what do you think? Do western men know their worth these days?

 

 

I doubt he can do better than Taylor Swift. 

Who would you consider 'a lot better' than her anyway? 

She's a billionaire and she's very attractive.  She also seems pretty smart, but having never spoken to her I can't say for sure.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, angryguy said:

alot of emotional baggage, songs about all her past boyfriends

 

The songs about her ex boyfriends could be mostly fictional storytelling.

 

Like Led Zeppelin "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You". It doesn't mean it was a true story.

 

Emotional baggage ... what a joke. What do men want to marry? Inflatable dolls? Even if a woman never had any other man before you, the relationship itself will be full of complications and the woman will incur "emotional baggage" with YOU. You need to learn how to deal with that. A woman is not a sex toy. 

 

[angryguy]

8 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

 

I doubt he can do better than Taylor Swift. 

Who would you consider 'a lot better' than her anyway? 

She's a billionaire and she's very attractive.  She also seems pretty smart, but having never spoken to her I can't say for sure.

If money and fame are what you value in women then yes shes out of his league. Thats just a western phenomenon though

[angryguy]

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Even if a woman never had any other man before you, the relationship itself will be full of complications and the woman will incur "emotional baggage" with YOU

I dont know, I’ve never entered into a relationship where the girl has had alot of partners out of common sense

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

I will take taylor swift and travis kelce as an example. Travis Kelce being a stud, millionaire, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world with only the fastest and strongest athletes, only 35 years old. Taylor Swift at the end of her childmaking years, leftist, alot of emotional baggage, songs about all her past boyfriends, also 35 years old. I noticed that after they started dating Kelce doesnt seem as happy as he used to. Doesnt Kelce know that he can do alot better for himself?

 

what do you think? Do western men know their worth these days?

I couldn't read past american football being "the most competitive sport in the world" 😂😂😂 

 

Please do explain by what metric you determined this bizarre statement. ☺️

[angryguy]

45 minutes ago, sidjameson said:

Reducing all human interactions to transactions is very depressing. People want to share their lives and that means thoughts with another who "gets them" 

The two people the op are talking about live such rarified lives there's only a few potential partners out there.

Sorry disagree with you there. Travis Kelce could have anyone he wants

[KhunLA]

"Worth" ... all a bit relative

 

Net worth ... just OK

Physically helpful around the house ... fairly useless

Boy toy for entertainment ... priceless

Emotional support animal ... also priceless

Mentor to loved one ... again priceless

Therapist to dog .. mutually priceless

Reflection in the Mirror ... not a bad guy at all, kind of like him

 

ME ME ME ... All good here .. next silly thread 🙄

 

A Swift bashing thread, really, that's different, but who cares.

[fredwiggy]

16 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Sorry disagree with you there. Travis Kelce could have anyone he wants

Money does that. Besides women with money. Then they'll be more choosy and pick a better looking and built man. No man can have any woman he wants. Some aren't greedy and stupid and go by attraction. He's an average looking man with a lot of money and notoriety, which attracts mostly gold diggers. 

[Quentin Zen]

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

Kelce doesnt seem as happy as he used to.

this likely means the OP needs to get a life.  She's worth maybe a billion.  He can sell products through her if he wants more cash.  That's about all I will even think about.  To wonder if they are happy makes zero sense.  1.  Look in the mirror.

 

OK< just got off the phone with Taylor.  She's looking for a super loser sexpat with no money who likes to chat online about her.  Doesn't she know she can do better?   My wife is worth 12239 billion but is 4 kg overweight.  I can do better.  Then my other wife is 3 kg underweight but happy and worth 39 baht.  I can do better.  Then my third wife is owns a planet but snores at night....yea, I can do better.   

 

If you are over 30 and not staying in a 23 billion dollar baht place by now, 8 pack abs and on the cover of GQ more than 3 times, then you might be worthy of talking to a real woman.

 

 

[angryguy]

1 minute ago, Quentin Zen said:

this likely means the OP needs to get a life.  She's worth maybe a billion.  He can sell products through her if he wants more cash.  That's about all I will even think about.  To wonder if they are happy makes zero sense.  1.  Look in the mirror.

 

OK< just got off the phone with Taylor.  She's looking for a super loser sexpat with no money who likes to chat online about her.  Doesn't she know she can do better?   My wife is worth 12239 billion but is 4 kg overweight.  I can do better.  Then my other wife is 3 kg underweight but happy and worth 39 baht.  I can do better.  Then my third wife is owns a planet but snores at night....yea, I can do better.   

 

If you are over 30 and not staying in a 23 billion dollar baht place by now, 8 pack abs and on the cover of GQ more than 3 times, then you might be worthy of talking to a real woman.

 

 

Maybe im the only one who noticed his personality has changed as a result of his relationship. I would never let a woman change who i am

[frank83628]

, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world

 

Yeah right, the world of 'USA'

 

Some Rugby Union players out there that go harder than your boy Trav, without all the pads & helmet

[fredwiggy]

51 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Sure yes.  I was worth much more then a fat, old, stinky depressed lady with her hair in a bun and no makeup in the west.  Came here for young and sweet cuz I am worth it!

I'm guessing it was too hard for you to find one not stinky, with her hair down (all put it in a bun when they workout, are working around the house or are otherwise sweating), who took better care of herself, around your age, and doesn't need warpaint to hide flaws? I saw them everywhere and dated quite a few. Here young and sweet is likely looking for money, unless you're a local that works. 

[novacova]

Why would anyone care about what’s going on in strangers lives. For that matter, why would anyone care what strangers think about them? This element in society is an antisocial ancillary of insecurities, people worried about what others might think about them, especially in the social media realm as is well depicted here on AN where antisocial intellectual midgets are gasping for attention insisting on being on top using AI as their only friend to gain notoriety. Personally really couldn’t care less what others think, it simply doesn’t matter. Travis and Taylor could be cartoon characters, die in an accident, still, not my business and neither is what any of you think about me.

[angryguy]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world

 

Yeah right, the world of 'USA'

 

Some Rugby Union players out there that go harder than your boy Trav, without all the pads & helmet

If the rugby guys were bigger stronger and faster they would be playing in the NFL. The money is where the people are willing to pay to see

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Money does that. Besides women with money. Then they'll be more choosy and pick a better looking and built man. No man can have any woman he wants. Some aren't greedy and stupid and go by attraction. He's an average looking man with a lot of money and notoriety, which attracts mostly gold diggers. 

One positive, off season, he could shave, grow his hari out, if having, lose the hat, move to smalls-ville USA, live comfy, and meet chickies that haven't a clue who he is, and find a non gold digger.   

 

Unless a sports fan, who would recognize him.  I never heard of him before, and just another Joe to me, if bumping into him at the market.

[Peter Crow]

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

I will take taylor swift and travis kelce as an example. Travis Kelce being a stud, millionaire, dominating in the most competitive sport in the world with only the fastest and strongest athletes, only 35 years old. Taylor Swift at the end of her childmaking years, leftist, alot of emotional baggage, songs about all her past boyfriends, also 35 years old. I noticed that after they started dating Kelce doesnt seem as happy as he used to. Doesnt Kelce know that he can do alot better for himself?

 

what do you think? Do western men know their worth these days?

Which one of the two do you identify with?

[KhunLA]

20 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Maybe im the only one who noticed his personality has changed as a result of his relationship. I would never let a woman change who i am

Are you gay ?  Or just a fan boy ?  Getting the feeling, you're jealous she's hugging him and not yourself.

 

Just curious, as can't figure how you'd even notice something like that.  Like how many photo of him do you have for that comparison 😎

[mikebike]

18 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Maybe im the only one who noticed his personality has changed as a result of his relationship. I would never let a woman change who i am

Spoken like a true conservative who doesn't yet realise the only guarantee in life is change n death 😎

[fredwiggy]

Just now, KhunLA said:

One positive, off season, he could shave, grow his hari out, if having, lose the hat, move to smalls-ville USA, live comfy, and meet chickies that haven't a clue who he is, and find a non gold digger.   

 

Unless a sports fan, who would recognize him.  I never heard of him before, and just another Joe to me, if bumping into him at the market.

That's what all celebrities are to me. Just regular people who have a certain talent or a certain look for TV, and can remember some lines. As we've seen over the years, anyone can be on TV and some are promoted that look the same as people we see everyday. Hero worship makes them rich. The sports figures do well for a few years, besides the veterans that last longer, are given more money than they're worth, and sometimes don't live up to that money anyway. Teams sometimes win a couple of seasons in a row but usually are replaced by others who did better that year. Just a game. I've been watching the Minnesota Vikings since they started, and they've never won a Superbowl, even though they were the best team many years. Not worth the money they're paid.

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, angryguy said:

If the rugby guys were bigger stronger and faster they would be playing in the NFL. The money is where the people are willing to pay to see

I think some could already play there. Soccer is the most popular sport worldwide. In the US it's football and baseball. They're all competitive equally. Some are just more physical.