Guess you missed the part re vaccine-related myocarditis about:

 

"According to CDC data, no increased risk has been observed for any age group since the 2022-2023 season.."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/05/rfk-jr-misleads-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccine-in-children/

 

And that's from a 2025 update on the subject.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Guess you missed the part re vaccine-related myocarditis about:

 

According to CDC data, no increased risk has been observed for any age group since the 2022-2023 season.."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/05/rfk-jr-misleads-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccine-in-children/

 

And that's from a 2025 update on the subject.

 

 

 

Oh, now we're changing the time periods and the booster shots?
 

MSN = Mustnotbe Serious News.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

We can also skip the studies on subclinical myocarditis too I guess.  No heart damage kids, you're good!!

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

A more than welcome development!

 

> U.S. leadership in science & technology mRNA culling the gullible & innocent is coming to an end

Nonsense. If it was culling the gullible, the entire MAGA base would disappear.

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Nonsense. If it was culling the gullible, the entire MAGA base would disappear.

If the world stopped to protect my generation I'd show a little more appreciation.

1 hour ago, Miloki said:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

 

 

Thanks for posting that good data from the CDC, which you should note supports what I posted above:

 

"According to CDC data, no increased risk has been observed for any age group since the 2022-2023 season.."

 

 

But let's not stop there, since the same report you linked to goes on to make a pretty compelling case for why the medical community has long advised that getting the COVID vaccine outweighs the associated risks, even for young people...

 

So, we can see the following from that same CDC report:

 

 

 

 

The CDC makes a pretty compelling case.. Thank you!

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

 

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Thanks for posting that good data from the CDC, which you should note supports what I posted above:

 

"According to CDC data, no increased risk has been observed for any age group since the 2022-2023 season.."

 

 

But let's not stop there, since the same report you linked to goes on to make a pretty compelling case for why the medical community has long advised that getting the COVID vaccine outweighs the associated risks, even for young people...

 

So, we can see the following from that same CDC report:

 

 

 

 

The CDC makes a pretty compelling case.. Thank you!

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

 

 

56

16 minutes ago, Miloki said:

56

 

Yep, that's 56 young people age 5-17 in the U.S. dead from COVID in just one recent year, fall 2023 - fall 2024...

 

...for a group that the anti-vaxers keep publicly claiming have NO risks from COVID.

 

And that's SIX TIMES the total number of deaths (nine) that the CDC has attributed to all vaccine related issues for all age groups in the U.S. since the start of COVID vaccinations, amid many hundreds of millions of doses given.

 

"

• The CDC has also told NewsGuard on multiple occasions, most recently in January 2025, that only nine deaths have been attributed to COVID vaccine side effects."

 

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/cdcs-new-vaccine-panel-head-is-a?open=false#§head-of-new-federal-covid-vaccine-task-force-is-a-covid-myth-superspreader

 

And on the issue of recency, the same CDC report you linked to above includes the following comment re myocarditis:

 

"The VSD has not detected a statistical signal for myocarditis/pericarditis following the 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccine to date."

 

Once again, thanks for helping make such a compelling case.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

 

Not currently recommended for those under 18 but follow CDC advice and discuss it with your doctor.

24 minutes ago, Miloki said:

https://www.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

 

Not currently recommended for those under 18 but follow CDC advice and discuss it with your doctor.

 

Yes, the CDC recently changed their longstanding recommendation under RFK Jr., after he fired the CDC's entire outside advisory panel of vaccine-related professionals and replaced them with a hand-picked, hastily vetted small group dominated by anti-vaxers, vaccine skeptics and several with no related experience at all.

 

"Ahead of the new respiratory virus season, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) today published an update to its recommended childhood vaccine schedule, which breaks from recent recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which was overhauled earlier this year to include people known to spread vaccine misinformation and others without expertise in vaccines. [emphasis added]

...

In May, [before he later fired the CDC's director] Kennedy unilaterally announced sweeping changes that removed the COVID vaccine recommendation for healthy children and pregnant women. A few days later, however, the CDC [when it still had a non-political director] updated its immunization schedule to only partly reflect the new position, saying that children ages 6 months to 17 years may receive the COVID vaccine based on parent preference and the clinical judgment of healthcare providers." [my own context comments above in brackets]

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/aap-evidence-backed-immunization-schedule-reflects-break-cdc-advisers

 

For young people, the American Academy of Pediatrics still has a broader recommendation for COVID vaccination.

 

"For kids ages 2 through 18 years old, the AAP recommends a single dose of age-appropriate vaccine for those in the following risk groups: those at risk for severe disease, residents of long-term care or congregate settings, kids who have never been vaccinated against COVID, and those who have household contacts who are at high risk for severe COVID. "The AAP also recommends the vaccine be available for children ages 2-18 who do not fall into these risk groups, but whose parent or guardian desires them to have the protection of the vaccine," the group added.

 

(same source linked above)

 

 

Up to you if you don't want to follow CDC guidelines but I'd want to know what percentage of those 56 kids received a vax and how many comorbidities they had before subjecting my kid to a potentially unnecessary shot.  

On 9/1/2025 at 3:04 PM, Miloki said:

Up to you if you don't want to follow CDC guidelines but I'd want to know what percentage of those 56 kids received a vax and how many comorbidities they had before subjecting my kid to a potentially unnecessary shot.  

Interesting conversation on this topic with ChatGPT.

I asked, "What countries recommend covid vaccinations for children under 18?"



Now I know this is not completely honest so I asked specifically about Germany, the Netherlands, France, and Sweden.



Hmmm.  Sounds pretty similar to the Trump administration's policies with RFK Jr as head of HHS, no?

And obviously quite dissimilar to what @TallGuyJohninBKK has been advocating with this thread, no?

I then asked what other countries in the EU have similar policies to Germany and Sweden.

 

Hmmm.  None of these countries recommend it for children either unless they have specific qualifying conditions.

So maybe the UK, Canada, and Australia are the exception and maybe the UK represent 'many countries' in the Europe Union?

 

Now we all know that LLM's can be misleading and sometimes tell you what you want to hear.  Although I am sure the same can be said about factcheck.org for some people, Salon magazine for others.  

But it seems quite clear to me that RFK Jr is actually following the science and the USA is catching up to medical consensus here, unlike paid lobbying groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics who don't want to lose their gravy train.

Any medication intervention has risks including vaccinations.  You don't do one if you don't have to.

This is common sense that seems to have been lost by many during COVID. 

Feel free to post other responses from LLM's if you think these are misleading or you find one of these countries has a recommendation contrary to what I have presented here.

 

On 9/1/2025 at 9:30 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Either you're not recognizing reality re Kennedy, or you've bought into the right-wing media's world of COVID disinformation big time.

 

Seem it's time you should re-assess your world view, not me.  The rest of us are moving on and following where the science leads, not 'The Science' as presented to you by the media.

The European countries you cited above often have socialized public health programs, and in the cases where they are no longer recommending broad COVID vaccination for children,  I believe it's generally because the authorities involved feel there is a better ECONOMIC value in spending their health dollars elsewhere, which may be true.

 

But when groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics still recommend COVID vaccinations more broadly among children, it's because they see the facts that children can and still do die from COVID, and many still require hospitalization from COVID. And that the risk of both can largely be reduced by COVID vaccination.

 

They don't want to be the ones who would have to tell the American families in the recent year that their children died from COVID. Well, we likely could have prevented that if we had had them receive the COVID vaccine. But we decided it wasn't worth our health system spending the money to prevent them from dying.

 

You wanna be the one to make those kinds of death notifications armed with your anti-vaxer stance?

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

 

And it's not just COVID deaths. Very young children have significant COVID hospitalization rates by age group. But hey, nah, it's not worth us spending the funds to keep kids out of the hospitals and intensive care wards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/03-Havers-COVID-508.pdf

 

On 9/1/2025 at 12:00 PM, Miloki said:

Hope you are following the recommendations on your mRNA boosters.  How many is that now? 7-8-9-10?

How many do you have?

May suggest you seek professional medical advice on vaccinations and don’t base your own choices on those of internet strangers.

59 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The European countries you cited above often have socialized public health programs, and in the cases where they are no longer recommending broad COVID vaccination for children,  I believe it's generally because the authorities involved feel there is a better ECONOMIC value in spending their health dollars elsewhere, which may be true.

 

But when groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics still recommend COVID vaccinations more broadly among children, it's because they see the facts that children can and still do die from COVID, and many still require hospitalization from COVID. And that the risk of both can largely be reduced by COVID vaccination.

 

They don't want to be the ones who would have to tell the American families in the recent year that their children died from COVID. Well, we likely could have prevented that if we had had them receive the COVID vaccine. But we decided it wasn't worth our health system spending the money to prevent them from dying.

 

You wanna be the one to make those kinds of death notifications armed with your anti-vaxer stance?

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

 

And it's not just COVID deaths. Very young children have significant COVID hospitalization rates by age group. But hey, nah, it's not worth us spending the funds to keep kids out of the hospitals and intensive care wards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/03-Havers-COVID-508.pdf

 

You are pushing medical misinformation and using scare tactics to support an opinion that contradicts basically every public health agency in the western world.  

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

May suggest you seek professional medical advice on vaccinations and don’t base your own choices on those of internet strangers.

Good advice finally.   By the way, you never answered the question.  How many is it now?

3 hours ago, Miloki said:

You are pushing medical misinformation and using scare tactics to support an opinion that contradicts basically every public health agency in the western world.  

 

I'm posting credible, unchallenged factual information from the U.S. CDC and the recommended guidance of the American Academy of Pediatrics, the main group representing pediatric doctors in the U.S.

 

And, children in the U.S., mostly unvaccinated or undervaccinated, keep dying of COVID (as the posted CDC charts above show), notwithstanding what any other countries may be doing.

 

Every government makes its individual choices about vaccination policy, and children live, or sometimes die, based on what policies are adopted.

 

I think the AAP, and I know myself personally, would prefer that children NOT needlessly die from COVID, even if the percentage share is small, because someone decided they didn't really need a vaccination that stood a good chance of preventing their death.

 

 

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm posting credible, unchallenged factual information from the U.S. CDC and the recommended guidance of the American Academy of Pediatrics, the main group representing pediatric doctors in the U.S.

??? or 555

On 9/1/2025 at 11:10 AM, Miloki said:

You all messed up the hearts of a lot of young men that didn't need the vaccine. That's a proven fact.  

 

And if you can't or won't acknowledge that fact, this is a silly conversation to continue.

No, it's not. Proven by what studies?

On 9/1/2025 at 10:30 AM, Miloki said:

Agree to disagree.  I have done the research, looked at the actual trials and trial data for many of the vaccines.  He is right, it's not good enough.  And it's definitely not good enough when combined and repeated.

We can not vax every ailment and expect everything to be okay.  That's what we have tried to do.

Maybe future data will prove otherwise.  But it is a lie to say it is proven now.

 

No, we haven't.

And, just being a scientist here, very little is "proven" in science. What we CAN say is these data do or don't support a particular hypothesis.

When you have circus clowns of mediocre intelligence running the show, chances are they're going to dumb things down quite a bit. They don't seem to understand science and perhaps that lack of understanding compels them to be fearful of science. After all science might contradict their political positions. 

A pair of posts making unsourced and unsubstantiated claims of purported fact have been removed, per the forum's rules:

 

"In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source."

 

14 hours ago, Peabody said:

No, we haven't.

And, just being a scientist here, very little is "proven" in science. What we CAN say is these data do or don't support a particular hypothesis.

Such an odd statement from a 'scientist', this acknowledgement that very little is 'proven'

If there is a global pandemic, with a CFR of basically 1%, but as with many respiratory viruses, the elderly and immune compromised are hit the hardest.

Do you rollout a radically different vax tech that behaves in a radically different manner, that has never been implemented successfully at any scale, to 3/4 of the planet.  3-5 Billion people basically.

No, you absolutely do not do this, ever!  Maybe a 5-10% CFR we can talk about radical solutions like this.

 

It was completely reckless and irresponsible on any timeframe of human existence.