Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Great point.

 

It was probably nothing to do with the killer who had fled that way minutes earlier.

 

More likely some Pro trans ANTIFA supporting granny had left it there so she could kill some squirrels later that day...

I think the correct assessment is we non of us know who put the gun where it was found.

31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...except those who saw the video of the wound suddenly appearing on his neck and subsequently pouring blood, they know for sure where the bullet struck.

 

Well JonnyF says your wrong!

 

He agrees that the bullet ricocheted off the vest into his neck.

 

Now I don't know who to believe.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No.

 

I’m asking you were is your evidence if who placed the gun where it was found.

 

Are you dense or something? The killer left the rifle there. Who else?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

How do you know if the killer was an expert or not or indeed what he did after the shooting? 

 

 

He's all over CCTV and left hand prints, casings and a gun behind as evidence.

 

Experts don't aim for the neck at that range. He got lucky. 

 

He'll be caught shortly. 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Totally agree.

 

This guy was not an expert.

 

Neither did he cunningly leave evidence around with extreme left propaganda on it to "fool everyone" into thinking that he was an extreme leftist. 

 

That's just a conspiracy theory by lefties who don't want to admit what kind of loonies they stand alongside, what actions their vile rhetoric has unleashed. 

Well, I didn't say he was definitely not an expert. Someone might have told him Kirk was wearing a vest, and even an expert can miss his target from that far by a few inches, and hit the vest top, which would deflect the bullet into his neck, as the Youtube video i posted shows.

 

There are more and more theories, like one said about the gun that was left. Only when they match the bullet to that gun will we know it was indeed the gun used. There's always the possibility the gun was left by another person, while the shooter was picked up by someone in a car with his gun. Leaving evidence showing he was a radical lefty could be just to deflect from the true reason it happened. There have been so many shootings over time that people have figured ways to get around things, and this could be yet another, especially if the shooter isn't caught and is already out of the country.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think the correct assessment is we non of us know who put the gun where it was found.

 

Who made the sky? Do you have any evidence who made the sky?

 

I think the correct assesment is none of us made the sky. Ergo there is no left-wing ANTIFA and LGBT killer.

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

You totally agree with this....

 

"The bullet hit the top of the vest and deflected into his neck, as that Youtube video I posted shows".

 

Well, well, well.....I am surprised......!!!

 

I didn't agree with that part of the post.

 

I agreed that he couldn't be certain of a neck shot.

 

Because he wasn't an expert.

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He's all over CCTV and left hand prints, casings and a gun behind as evidence.

 

Experts don't aim for the neck at that range. He got lucky. 

 

He'll be caught shortly. 

Where’s the video footage of him carrying the gun off the roof and placing it where it was found? 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

I didn't agree with that part of the post.

 

I agreed that he couldn't be certain of a neck shot.

 

Because he wasn't an expert.

A bit of circular thinking there Jonny.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

A bit of circular thinking there Jonny.

 

How so?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where’s the video footage of him carrying the gun off the roof and placing it where it was found? 

 

It's already been posted twice.

 

Here again.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-12/manhunt-underway-for-charlie-kirk-trump-ally-shot-and-killed/105765746

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's already been posted twice.

 

Here again.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-12/manhunt-underway-for-charlie-kirk-trump-ally-shot-and-killed/105765746

 

Chomps wants a full 1080P video from the killer using a selfie stick, with GPS locations, posted on FaceBook with a confession.

 

Until then he's going to assume it's the ANTIFA supporting, squirrel hunting granny from number 10.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's already been posted twice.

 

Here again.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-12/manhunt-underway-for-charlie-kirk-trump-ally-shot-and-killed/105765746

You can't see a rifle in his hands and when he drops to the ground and runs off. At least from that video. He did go behind the top part of the building so possibly the rifle is still in that building somewhere. The man in the video doesn't mention the rifle, and it doesn't look like he has it. There is also the idea he was put there to deflect from the actual shooter, and then ran off, thinking he might be caught without any rifle, while the real shooter was in another location entirely. Then the rifle used was left in the woods, or was again, another rifle to throw them off, which can only be certified if ballistics match. 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

How so?

You don’t accept the killer was an expert because the bullet hit Kirk in the neck, and you don’t accept the bullet ricocheting off Kirk’s bullet prof best  because that would undermine your argument that the shooter was not an expert.

A more rational argument would be:

 

’The killer has not yet been identified, let alone captured and interrogated, therefore we non of us have any idea if he is or is not an expert marksman.’

 

 

44 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

And of course there is this to go along with the bs

 

 

As should some of the over-excited posters on this thread.  But I suspect they won't.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You can't see a rifle in his hands and when he drops to the ground and runs off. At least from that video. He did go behind the top part of the building so possibly the rifle is still in that building somewhere. The man in the video doesn't mention the rifle, and it doesn't look like he has it.

 

No, you can see a bag he's carrying, that's where the rifle is in. As he clambers down you can see that bag.  He had to conceal the rifle, so he placed it in a bag. He then walks off to a wodded area, where he discards the rifle and where it was then found.

You lot are so Gullible somewhere a Screwdriver was found suggesting the Gunman Assembled his gun on the roof lol. What next a Football was found on the roof pressuming he had a kickabout before he got in posistion.

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Chomps wants a full 1080P video from the killer using a selfie stick, with GPS locations, posted on FaceBook with a confession.

 

Until then he's going to assume it's the ANTIFA supporting, squirrel hunting granny from number 10.

Thank you for the link to the video Jonny.

 

Notice the suspect was not carrying a rifle and the commentating investigator did not mention the suspect carrying a rifle.

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t accept the killer was an expert because the bullet hit Kirk in the neck, and you don’t accept the bullet ricocheting off Kirk’s bullet prof best  because that would undermine your argument that the shooter was not an expert.

 

The killer was not an "expert", sniper veterans of years of experience have already confirmed he was a rank amateur who aimed for the head and accidentaly hit the neck.

 

There was no "ricochet" this is an idiot theory peddled by Will B Good.

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The killer has not yet been identified, let alone captured and interrogated, therefore we non of us have any idea if he is or is not an expert marksman.’

 

He's not an expert marksman, experienced snipers have already told us so.

 

What's more he's a total idiot, his entire escape was filmed, lol.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you for the link to the video Jonny.

 

Notice the suspect was not carrying a rifle and the commentating investigator did not mention the suspect carrying a rifle.

 

 

He IS carrying a rifle and the investigator DOES mention the rifle! Jesus Christ.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

you don’t accept the bullet ricocheting off Kirk’s bullet prof best  because that would undermine your argument that the shooter was not an expert.

 

Wrong again Chomps. You are very confused today. Tieing yourself in knots.  😆

 

The bullet ricocheting off the vest into the neck would also indicate he was not an expert. No expert would rely on a lucky deflection. 

 

A clean headshot would indicate he was an expert. That's not what happened. 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, you can see a bag he's carrying, that's where the rifle is in. As he clambers down you can see that bag.  He had to conceal the rifle, so he placed it in a bag. He then walks off to a wodded area, where he discards the rifle and where it was then found.

It looks like a shirt, or a bag, and it could be a breakdown rifle and that rifle found wasn't the one used. He didn't have any trouble hitting the ground with a bag with a rifle in it, so it appeared it was just a shirt.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you for the link to the video Jonny.

 

Notice the suspect was not carrying a rifle and the commentating investigator did not mention the suspect carrying a rifle.

 

 

He clearly has a large gun bag.

 

 

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

As should some of the over-excited posters on this thread.  But I suspect they won't.

 

 

An FBI official cautioned that the wording may have been misread or misinterpreted in the rush of early analysis.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

It looks like a shirt, or a bag, and it could be a breakdown rifle and that rifle found wasn't the one used. He didn't have any trouble hitting the ground with a bag with a rifle in it, so it appeared it was just a shirt.

 

No that bag contained the rifle. If you listen to the investigator he says this is how they located the firearm, on the basis of this video, where the killer walked in the direction of that wooded area., which is where the killer then placed the rifle.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

The killer was not an "expert", sniper veterans of years of experience have already confirmed he was a rank amateur who aimed for the head and accidentaly hit the neck.

 

There was no "ricochet" this is an idiot theory peddled by Will B Good.

 

 

He's not an expert marksman, experienced snipers have already told us so.

 

What's more he's a total idiot, his entire escape was filmed, lol.

Watch the Youtube video. He can be an expert and could have been aiming at the neck, especially if he knew Kirk was wearing a vest, which someone else would have told to him. Not a ricochet but a deflected bullet coming at extreme speed, which , if it hit the top of the vest, would then hit the neck. A long shot but totally possible as it's happened before many times, especially to hunters hitting twigs.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

No that bag contained the rifle. If you listen to the investigator he says this is how they located the firearm, on the basis of this video, where the killer walked in the direction of that wooded area., which is where the killer then placed the rifle.

So ballistics will show if they found the bullet if it was the rifle used, which would eliminate at least some of the theories.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He can be an expert and could have been aiming at the neck

 

No, expert snipers have analyzed this. They concluded he was aiming for the head and accidently hit  the neck. He was definitely not an "expert".

 

The only thing this kid is an expert is in which lube to use with his LGBT boyfriend.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, expert snipers have analyzed this. They concluded he was aiming for the head and accidently hit  the neck. He was definitely not an "expert".

Which is just opinions. People who shoot a lot know what can go wrong. Some can miss at 100 yards and others can hit at a mile. Lot of factors go into a shot and what can go wrong. I don't hear where he said anything about him having the rifle with him. Just that they found a rifle in the woods he went into. 

1 hour ago, b17 said:

As they don't seem to have a credible suspect yet, pray tell why you're so certain this murder is "a generational mistake by the left". You might want to wait until more is known before pronouncing this the world the so called "radical left". 

 

Yet another delirious apologist trying to deflect. Next thing you'll be saying it was the Israelis or Trump's inner circle.