3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

So are you 'anti-vax' or just 'anti-covid-vax' ??

 

It might be an important distinction... 

 

I can understand the questions raised over the mRNA vaccines, and I can even understand the distrust directed at governments whose exaggerated claims and flawed messaging during Covid did little to inspire confidence. Yet to extend that scepticism to well-established vaccines – whose efficacy has been demonstrated time and again with overwhelming evidence – is, in my view, the realm of the foolish. To conflate legitimate caution with wholesale denial is to abandon reason altogether.

 

A multi-billion profit-driven industry needs to protect its raison d'etre at all cost and with all possible means.  Luckily they have over decades brainwashed the populace with their 'safe and effective' mantra.  And then there are of course the useful 'so called science believers' as well as many profiteers that are in the know have been bought and will stop at nothing to defend that perfidious industry.

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

A multi-billion profit-driven industry needs to protect its raison d'etre at all cost and with all possible means.  Luckily they have over decades brainwashed the populace with their 'safe and effective' mantra.  And then there are of course the useful 'so called science believers' as well as many profiteers that are in the know have been bought and will stop at nothing to defend that perfidious industry.

It seems you overlooked sharing your source from Substack. Providing it would greatly enhance your credibility.

46 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

Yeah, tell that to all the people who got syphilis before antibiotics were invented. 

Yeah, tell that to all the people that were vaccine-harmed before anti-vaxxers were invented,  

Note: The above being deliberately absurd statement, but just as non-sequitur as yours.  

7 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

It seems you overlooked sharing your source from Substack. Providing it would greatly enhance your credibility.

Your wish is my command, so here a link to one of the hundreds of articles exposing the perfidity of the vax-industry

> https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/erasing-encephalitis-why-vaccine

 

18 hours ago, phetphet said:

I'm not a vaccine sceptic,  but this video, presented by Naomi Wolf to the EU Commission. about the Pfizer MRNA vaccine and it's after effects is very interesting.

 

 

am surprised your topic has been kept running. I guess the naysayers about the Covid vaccine are reconsidering their stance. When covid came around, I refused to allow my kids to get the vaccine, untested and giving to children who have not reached puberty seemed too risky. It is bad enough I have been plagued with respiratory illnesses since getting my vaccines that were required if i wanted to keep working. 

I think the future will reveal some more interesting facts about the dangers for those who got their vaccines. 

44 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Luckily they have over decades brainwashed the populace with their 'safe and effective' mantra.

 

Unfortunately ...... they have over decades brainwashed the populace with their 'safe and effective' mantra.     as well as creating an allopathic drug addicted populace .      

 

wouldn't it have been wonderful if the same effort had been made to promote and teach naturalapathic "medicines"  and life choices . 

 

at this point..... rehabbing the drug addicts is imo impossible.   just not nearly enough humans willing to forego the "take these pills , and if you have problems we have more pills .    and more pills ."

When we see such an announcement, sensible people suspend judgement and do a review and evaluation of the facts.

 

So, do a search on this:

"naomi wolf" vaccine

 

Read as many valid, fact-based articles as it takes for you to have a comprehensive idea of what's what. Sit back and evaluate the situation.

 

The worst thing anyone can do is seek out sources that tell them what they want to hear. That is the commonest source of thinking-errors.

Who is NW:

 

"In the January 2013 issue of The Atlantic, law and business professor Mark Nuckols wrote: "In her various books, articles, and public speeches, Wolf has demonstrated recurring disregard for the historical record and consistently mutilated the truth with selective and ultimately deceptive use of her sources." 

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf}

 

39 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

Who is NW:

 

"In the January 2013 issue of The Atlantic, law and business professor Mark Nuckols wrote: "In her various books, articles, and public speeches, Wolf has demonstrated recurring disregard for the historical record and consistently mutilated the truth with selective and ultimately deceptive use of her sources." He added: "[W]hen she distorts facts to advance her political agenda, she dishonors the victims of history and poisons present-day public discourse about issues of vital importance to a free society." Nuckols argued that Wolf "has for many years now been claiming that a fascist coup in America is imminent… [I]n The Guardian she alleged, with no substantiation, that the U.S. government and big American banks are conspiring to impose a 'totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent'."^[73]"

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf}

 

Just like Wikipedia, The Atlantic is not a credible source for controversial topics challenging the 'accepted narrative'. 

Note that I just opened a new thread in which Jennifer Margulis provides clear factual evidence of how The Atlantic  recently smeared biochemist and immunologist Dr. William Parker

LINK > https://aseannow.com/topic/1372938-don’t-punish-the-messenger-over-politics/

 

11 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

And now that we're all out of chiropractors, crystal healers, palm readers, golem channelers, ouiji board purveyors, and quantum sasquatch wranglers, we have Naomi!

 

She attended Yale University, receiving her Bachelor of Arts in English literature in 1984. From 1985 to 1987, she was a Rhodes Scholar at New College, University of Oxford

 

returned to Oxford, completing her Doctor of Philosophy degree in English literature in 2015

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf

 

"Hey, Naomi, it hurts when i do this."

"Well, don't do that! It reinforces the patriarchy!"

 

Always shooting the messenger, never the content...  

49 minutes ago, novanova said:

When we see such an announcement, sensible people suspend judgement and do a review and evaluation of the facts.

 

So, do a search on this:

"naomi wolf" vaccine

 

Read as many valid, fact-based articles as it takes for you to have a comprehensive idea of what's what. Sit back and evaluate the situation.

 

The worst thing anyone can do is seek out sources that tell them what they want to hear. That is the commonest source of thinking-errors.

 

We all live enter these forums with a bias regarding the subjects "discussed".    Very quickly that turns into a battle of egos , and "disgust".

 

We are blessed here at AN to be able to enjoy some of the greatest examples of confirmation BIAS .     Even deciding what sources are "reliable"  is enforced by those who control the forums.  

 

 

14 hours ago, johng said:

Why not  ?  the truth must come out  no ?

Truth is a dangerous game, particularly with the English language, distortion is rife.

I grew up in the post war era when millions were being crippled and dying from polio.  When the vaccine became available they wern't interested in truth, just what could be a better option, it was the same with covid.

 

Personally when the MRNA was developed I thought the timescale a bit short for a new approach and stuck  with the more traditional method used by AZ.

A good friend of mine in NI developed bullous pemphigoid at the end of 2021, it was quite devastating and took about 9 months for the medics to get it under control. Just in time as he had just about come to the point of ending it all. About the same time my wife spotted an article  from the US linking the condition to the MRNA. He  looked at his vaccine history and he had had AZ up until Oct 2021 when he had an MRNA booster. He mentioned it to the medics who shrugged it of as coincidental. Along comes Oct 2022 and he had another MRNA booster and almost straight away the condition flared up again, fortunately this time round the medics brought it under control quite quickly.

I am a firm  believer in vaccines, but also extensive testing. Knowing what I seen first hand I would  be very reluctant to be vaccinated with an MRNA based vaccine.

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Truth is a dangerous game, particularly with the English language, distortion is rife.

I grew up in the post war era when millions were being crippled and dying from polio.  When the vaccine became available they wern't interested in truth, just what could be a better option, it was the same with covid.

 

Personally when the MRNA was developed I thought the timescale a bit short for a new approach and stuck  with the more traditional method used by AZ.

A good friend of mine in NI developed bullous pemphigoid at the end of 2021, it was quite devastating and took about 9 months for the medics to get it under control. Just in time as he had just about come to the point of ending it all. About the same time my wife spotted an article  from the US linking the condition to the MRNA. He  looked at his vaccine history and he had had AZ up until Oct 2021 when he had an MRNA booster. He mentioned it to the medics who shrugged it of as coincidental. Along comes Oct 2022 and he had another MRNA booster and almost straight away the condition flared up again, fortunately this time round the medics brought it under control quite quickly.

I am a firm  believer in vaccines, but also extensive testing. Knowing what I seen first hand I would  be very reluctant to be vaccinated with an MRNA based vaccine.

I had several bouts of bad diarrhoea after my four Moderna shots.

 

That's the Truth.

4 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

Naomi Wolfe is a crackpot. Claimed the vaccines were software that allowed uploads, caused mass murder, sterilization, miscarriages, cancer, that they were bioweapons. Naomi Klein wrote a book called Doppleganger describing the problems she'd had by being confused with Wolfe.

What did Ms Wolfe say that was not true?

 

',,vaccines were software',,'

 

Modern vaccines are developed in a computer. Older ones in a lab petri-dish.

 

'Caused mass murder, sterilization, miscarriages, cancer,' What do you think was going on in the 'Bio Labs'? Making smarties? Can't you get your head round the sheer evilness of these people.

 

'Bioweapons'. These are just as anti-nature as the vaxxes.

 

Why was the release of the Pfizer docs so opposed; by the FDA?

 

There is more to come yet. I want to see the Moderna docs released. 

 

Nature has the answers we seek. We are nature. Nature is us.

Just now, Peter Crow said:

I had several bouts of bad diarrhoea after my four Moderna shots.

 

Why did you not stop after the first one Sir?

 

The 'diarrhoea' was the body desperately trying to rid itself of the poison in the jab.

27 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

Why did you not stop after the first one Sir?

 

The 'diarrhoea' was the body desperately trying to rid itself of the poison in the jab.

Sorry, was just hinting humorously at the sad fact that this thread reads like a Niagara of horse excrement. 

More mental illness manifestations.

The amusing aspect of this is that Naomi Wolf is a radical progressive feminist. Usually, the   vaccine  opponents hate such people, but they  have made an exception here. Wait until they hear her  position on transgender issues.   😃😄😆

16 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

More mental illness manifestations.

The amusing aspect of this is that Naomi Wolf is a radical progressive feminist. Usually, the   vaccine  opponents hate such people, but they  have made an exception here. Wait until they hear her  position on transgender issues.   😃😄😆

I will say that there is something in your post Sir. Anyone watching the vid can't help noticing that she took every opportunity to hug the Chairlady. And that hair; I was thinking at any time someone would pass her a hair-band.

 

But, that said, IMO, she was bang on the money over the health issues.

 

Another two volumes of Pfizer docs to emerge yet.

 

Moderna next? Let's hear about the US Military's role in it all. And get Bill Thomson in the house.

 

Go Kennedy go.

 

I'd give just about anything to go back in time and undo my 2nd Pfizer.  My quality of life took a nosedive the next day and over 4 years later, it still hasn't improved much. 

 

And it was 2 years later, on yet another trip to the ER, before my doctors finally conceded that my symptoms were commonly reported side effects.  Until then, they didn't know what caused my symptoms.  They just "knew" it wasn't the Pfizer.

 

I can excuse the side effects since that's a risk with any new treatment, especially under an EUA.  What pisses me off more is the gaslighting and the cover up.

 

I think rattlesnake got it right.  Even normally reasonable people are horrified to think they may have injured their loved ones by demanding we all roll up our sleeves.  Even as study after study reveals the truth.

 

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yeah, tell that to all the people that were vaccine-harmed before anti-vaxxers were invented,  

Note: The above being deliberately absurd statement, but just as non-sequitur as yours.  

It's not a non-sequitur. He claimed germs don't cause disease. Do you believe that? 

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Antibiotics work against bacteria you already have ........ not virus that you don't have.

So disease-causing germs exist. You either cure them after you catch them or mitigate the effects of exposure beforehand

8 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

So disease-causing germs exist. You either cure them after you catch them or mitigate the effects of exposure beforehand

Plentiful food, clean water and regular exercise will prevent most serious illness.

 

Polio is caused by ingesting poop contaminated food and water, remove the poop and the problem is solved.

4 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

It's not a non-sequitur. He claimed germs don't cause disease. Do you believe that? 

Germs do not cause disease. No such thing as disease. Illness, sickness yes; but not disease.

 

Germ is an umbrella term. All the bacteria, microbes, parasites, exosomes and (yes) viruses etc, serve functions in nature. They all have a roll to play in keeping us healthy.

 

Viruses are evident in the breakdown of the cell. They do not invade, or cause the cell to break down. They are dead cell debris. Cannot replicate.

 

So! What are vaccines for?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

7 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

It's not a non-sequitur. He claimed germs don't cause disease. Do you believe that? 

You responded to the post of @rattlesnake who wrote: 

"I subscribe to Antoine Béchamp's statement that "the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything". And I am convinced that the pharmaceutical industry went all in with the virus paradigm for profit and profit only.

So when I hear someone say viruses don't exist, I am not shocked by it at all. The truth is that ultimately, it doesn't matter that much to me."

 

Like Rattles I am also convinced that Big Pharma greed was the driver to blame the 'invisible germ' for which they had a convenient and very profitable solution > jab everybody.  

Whether viruses exist is the wrong question, because that is hardly relevant.  The real issue is whether viruses are living things that replicate and spread disease.  And I am far from convinced that is the case, as what we call viruses could well be debris from dead cells.  

 

   At the time the covid "appeared" ,  I had no bias one way or the other.   I was a bit scared , like so many .... as the media was in full blitz mode .    I am not young, and was no longer infatuated with doctors and the medical system ... due to my personal experiences with various health concerns .   So, i held off from being coerced to follow the herd and get jabbed.   I began to read and one "anti=vax"  substacker led to another .  These were doctors !   and virologists ,  who had opposing views to the MSM blitz. I watched as they were villified .  Then a few posters on forums ( some still active here)  began to distrust the fearmongering narrative .   And i was among them.

Today those guys (and girls) that withstood the pressure and refused the jabs have all reported they and their partners did NOT even get covid .  Period. 

My friends , family, and acquaintances that took the "vax" have ALL gotten sick. Some more than once.  

For those who still can not read the writing on the wall, well,  up to you.  I would never stop you from getting more and more.

I can thankfully say ..... boy am i happy I never succumbed to the narrative and mandates that were espoused then .   Any sane and objective person now knows that the "real" facts were unquetionably more on the side of the "anti vaxxers ".

 

It does pay to wait and watch,  and listen to all sides .  Those who can not admit their mistakes even now , but instead still go with the ad hominem attacks against those who made the right choice .......  are still only hurting themselves.

16 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

You can't see gravity.

It isn't real.

Nobody has ever produced a cup of gravity.

 

It's only a theory.

 

Like germs.

No-one can touch, see or hear bitcoins, but people pay huge sums of money for them.

 

Bacteria and viruses can be seen with a scanning electron microscope.

 

The theory of gravity becomes very real for anyone who steps off the balcony of a condo 14 floors up.

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Always shooting the messenger, never the content...  

 

Bullets aren't real.

 

They're an imaginary concept created by "Big Gunpowder" to control us and impurify our precious bodily vital signs.

19 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

So, what is the truth, then?

Is it that vaccines save lives, or does it kill more?

A small indicator  on how the "narrative" is crumbling.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/25/covid-vaccines-saved-fewer-lives-than-first-thought/

24 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

   At the time the covid "appeared" ,  I had no bias one way or the other.   I was a bit scared , like so many .... as the media was in full blitz mode .    I am not young, and was no longer infatuated with doctors and the medical system ... due to my personal experiences with various health concerns .   So, i held off from being coerced to follow the herd and get jabbed.   I began to read and one "anti=vax"  substacker led to another .  These were doctors !   and virologists ,  who had opposing views to the MSM blitz. I watched as they were villified .  Then a few posters on forums ( some still active here)  began to distrust the fearmongering narrative .   And i was among them.

Today those guys (and girls) that withstood the pressure and refused the jabs have all reported they and their partners did NOT even get covid .  Period. 

My friends , family, and acquaintances that took the "vax" have ALL gotten sick. Some more than once.  

For those who still can not read the writing on the wall, well,  up to you.  I would never stop you from getting more and more.

I can thankfully say ..... boy am i happy I never succumbed to the narrative and mandates that were espoused then .   Any sane and objective person now knows that the "real" facts were unquetionably more on the side of the "anti vaxxers ".

 

It does pay to wait and watch,  and listen to all sides .  Those who can not admit their mistakes even now , but instead still go with the ad hominem attacks against those who made the right choice .......  are still only hurting themselves.

I had COVID jabs, being in the most vulnerable age cohort. My GF listened to Thai social media, and did not.

 

We got COVID simultaneously. For me, 3 days of a sore throat and runny nose, finish. For her, 10-12 days seriously ill, lost her sense of taste and smell, still has memory problems. She is 23 years younger than me.

 

How do you account for this?

 

Statistics from Australia showed at the height of the pandemic, unvaccinated COVID patients were 6-7 times more likely to require ICU admission than a COVID patient who was vaccinated.

 

How do you explain that?

 

I have had scientific training. AFAIK you have not.

 

Are you saying I am not sane and objective, because I don't subscribe to your opinion?

43 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

You responded to the post of @rattlesnake who wrote: 

"I subscribe to Antoine Béchamp's statement that "the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything". And I am convinced that the pharmaceutical industry went all in with the virus paradigm for profit and profit only.

So when I hear someone say viruses don't exist, I am not shocked by it at all. The truth is that ultimately, it doesn't matter that much to me."

 

Like Rattles I am also convinced that Big Pharma greed was the driver to blame the 'invisible germ' for which they had a convenient and very profitable solution > jab everybody.  

Whether viruses exist is the wrong question, because that is hardly relevant.  The real issue is whether viruses are living things that replicate and spread disease.  And I am far from convinced that is the case, as what we call viruses could well be debris from dead cells.  

Syphilis was the scourge of Europe. Franz Schubert, Manet, Baudelaire, Oscar Wilde, Nietzche, Gaugin, etc either died from it or complications caused by it. It was a bacterial infection but the principle still applies. The indigenous populations of the New World were wiped out by smallpox. Millions of people. Did big pharma do that?