September 15, 2025Sep 15 Popular Post 23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Yeah, the context was that he really likes black people, but he just doesn't think that they're capable of piloting a plane. Ha. You got that? I got that affirmative action and DEI drove airlines to hire, retain and promote pilots who are less qualified, based on gender and skin color. And it's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether the pilot on my flight is one of them. Or whether he got the pilot seat on merit. Want a perfect example? Check out the woman who crashed the military helicopter into a commercial flight in DC. She was a DEI (and favoritism) hire and it killed over 60 people.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Do you believe in hiring the best pilot available or the best black pilot available? DEI
September 15, 2025Sep 15 33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Do you believe in hiring the best pilot available or the best black pilot available? I don't know about pilots, but my graduating class in mechanical engineering had about 250 graduates. Less than a dozen were black and/or female. It would have been numerically impossible for a company to meet any DEI hiring quotas without dipping real deep into the bottom half of the talent pool. Most of my graduating class were kids who had tinkered with bikes and cars growing up. That just didn't interest most girls and blacks at that time in history. Judging from most YouTubes I watch, it still doesn't. Some, sure. But not many.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, WDSmart said: Okay, here are a few that have already been quoted on this site. I downloaded them from a site called "Reader Supported News" (RSN.org). They include references on where they were taken. On race If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024 If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022 Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023 If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024 If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023 All of these out of context quotes demonstrate is that he believed in a meritocracy rather than DEI / affirmative action. That is not a racist opinion and the only racism on show is from those who believe that less qualified black people should be given the nod over white people (which is actual racism) and diminishes the achievements of qualified black people who get there on merit. What is so "wrong" or "hateful" with believing in a meritocracy that you felt the need to regurgitate it here? Have you ever watched any of his content to see the full context of these quotes or are you reliant on someone else to form your opinion on him for you?
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said: When Cancel Culture crosses the road. Right, now the left's abject cancel culture is backfiring on them, though wouldn’t it be nice if everyone on the left who are pleased with Kirk’s tragedy weren't so cowardly and publicly voice their glee.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 42 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Do you believe in hiring the best pilot available or the best black pilot available? I believe in hiring the best pilot available whether they're white, black, Asian, Latino, or Native. A lot of white men with really bizarre attitudes seem to think that because someone is black they're not capable of being a nuclear physicist, a neurosurgeon, nor a highly skilled pilot. Bizarre logic that speaks for itself, and most certainly a very strong indication of what lurked in the heart and mind of Charlie Kirk.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, WDSmart said: I'm not a legal scholar, but I would believe if your employer called you in and asked you who you supported for in the last presidential election, and you answered, "Harris," and then they said, "In that case, you're fired!", your Freedom of Speech rights have been violated. On the other hand, if after you responded, they said, "Well, our needs have changed and we don't require your services anymore," you could not prove your rights had been violated. You are correct. You certainly are not a legal scholar. By pure coincidence your example may be correct but not for the reason you think. It would NOT be a violation of the 1st amendment since the 1st amendment doesn't apply in the work place. But it probably would violate the laws on discrimination that prohibit actions due to the employee's race, age, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc, and that may include political views as well. As long as you keep it to yourself. In your example the employee kept his opinion to himself until questioned.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 41 minutes ago, impulse said: You got that? I got that affirmative action and DEI drove airlines to hire, retain and promote pilots who are less qualified, based on gender and skin color. And it's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether the pilot on my flight is one of them. Or whether he got the pilot seat on merit. Want a perfect example? Check out the woman who crashed the military helicopter into a commercial flight in DC. She was a DEI (and favoritism) hire and it killed over 60 people. Nonsense. A very sorrowful, pathetic, parrot like repetition of the nonsense that comes out of Trump's mouth. From a former Blackhawk pilot: In my analysis of the limited information available, DEI had nothing to do with this horrific crash. The Blackhawk pilot(s) probably suffered from Target Fixation. Target Fixation occurs when the operator of a moving vehicle focuses on something exclusively and without being aware of it closes on the item rather than avoids the item. This can be significantly exacerbated by nighttime conditions with bright lights. It would explaine the increase in altitude and closure on the airliner vs. avoiding it. I have personally experienced this during unaided night time flights in the Blackhawk. I realized what was happening through following procedures and training specific to my unit. The NTSB and Army Safety Center will investigate and provide a more informed view of what occurred. I have total confidence that their findings will not include DEI as a contributory NOR causal factor. It is unfortunate that the President even opened that door.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 8 minutes ago, James105 said: All of these out of context quotes demonstrate is that he believed in a meritocracy rather than DEI / affirmative action. That is not a racist opinion and the only racism on show is from those who believe that less qualified black people should be given the nod over white people (which is actual racism) and diminishes the achievements of qualified black people who get there on merit. What is so "wrong" or "hateful" with believing in a meritocracy that you felt the need to regurgitate it here? Have you ever watched any of his content to see the full context of these quotes or are you reliant on someone else to form your opinion on him for you? Yes, I agree with your first sentence above - Kirk believed in meritocracy over DEI. These are racist opinions because he believes Blacks are always less qualified than Whites because of their race. Meritocracy is not a fair system as long as the judgment of merit is being made primarily by one class, in this case, White people. DEI is a much better system than meritocracy, since it is based on facts - percentages. DEI, in fact, attempts to right the wrongs that White-dominated meritocracy has, and continues to enforce, on our society.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: I believe in hiring the best pilot available whether they're white, black, Asian, Latino, or Native. A lot of white men with really bizarre attitudes seem to think that because someone is black they're not capable of being a nuclear physicist, a neurosurgeon, nor a highly skilled pilot. Bizarre logic that speaks for itself, and most certainly a very strong indication of what lurked in the heart and mind of Charlie Kirk. The subject is Kirk, not some white men you conjure up. Hire the best pilot.....period. But, because of the left's influence over DEI hiring many major companies felt compelled to participate and show they were onboard or risk the wrath. That's all Kirk was talking about.....but you knew that.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, WDSmart said: Okay, here are a few that have already been quoted on this site. I downloaded them from a site called "Reader Supported News" (RSN.org). They include references on where they were taken. On race If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024 If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022 Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023 If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024 If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023 The above are questions not statements, and all of which have been quoted out of context, The question about the pilot was made during a debate about the DEI initiative which, unlike you, I actually watched. He was not criticising black pilots' ability to fly but was highlighting the dangers of employing people based on colour or race as opposed to merit, purely to satisfy DEI requirements Throughout the debate he consistently argued that colour or race should never be a consideration. His argument was that when quotas are based on anything other than merit, standards will inevitably fall Another example he gave in the same discussion to back this up was that the top basket ball players are predominantly black, the game would not be improved if all teams had to employ a minimum quota of white people , no of course not because in his own words white people suck at basketball The debate also mentioned how some universities had lowered the entry requirements for "people of colour" and ethnic minorities for the purpose of meeting DEI requirements, Charlie argued that this not only obviously reduced standards and devalued the qualifications and the institutions themselves, but it also sent out a very negative message to those people, that they were not expected to be able to meet the same standards as white students So when seen in the full context its not as racist as one would think based purely on a one line quote. in fact it was not racist at all quite the opposite, in fact the only racism discussed in that debate was the inherent racism behind DEI and "affirmative action" type initiatives. The rest of your examples can be dismissed for the same reasons
September 15, 2025Sep 15 21 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes, I agree with your first sentence above - Kirk believed in meritocracy over DEI. These are racist opinions because he believes Blacks are always less qualified than Whites because of their race. Meritocracy is not a fair system as long as the judgment of merit is being made primarily by one class, in this case, White people. DEI is a much better system than meritocracy, since it is based on facts - percentages. DEI, in fact, attempts to right the wrongs that White-dominated meritocracy has, and continues to enforce, on our society. that has to be the biggest load of lefty twaddle I have ever read in my life
September 15, 2025Sep 15 45 minutes ago, James105 said: All of these out of context quotes demonstrate is that he believed in a meritocracy rather than DEI / affirmative action. That is not a racist opinion and the only racism on show is from those who believe that less qualified black people should be given the nod over white people (which is actual racism) and diminishes the achievements of qualified black people who get there on merit. What is so "wrong" or "hateful" with believing in a meritocracy that you felt the need to regurgitate it here? Have you ever watched any of his content to see the full context of these quotes or are you reliant on someone else to form your opinion on him for you? I find it remarkable, truly remarkable , that he seems to have found a lefty website that provides times and dates and details of all these allegedly racist misquotes from Charlie Somebody needs to get a life
September 15, 2025Sep 15 41 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Nonsense. A very sorrowful, pathetic, parrot like repetition of the nonsense that comes out of Trump's mouth. Fair enough. Let's wait for the report. I've never heard Trump mention the tragedy. I follow a few air crash YouTubers and the most recent ones seem to focus on her lack of flight hours in the months preceding the crash. They seem to think she spent more time being shown off as a DEI success story than actually training and flying. So her total hours were okay, but she was rusty because she had more important things to do. We'll see. Maybe my sources got it wrong. That happens.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, impulse said: You got that? I got that affirmative action and DEI drove airlines to hire, retain and promote pilots who are less qualified, based on gender and skin color. And it's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether the pilot on my flight is one of them. Or whether he got the pilot seat on merit. Want a perfect example? Check out the woman who crashed the military helicopter into a commercial flight in DC. She was a DEI (and favoritism) hire and it killed over 60 people. So do you think the US army just let her slide and promoted her because she was Black and/or a woman? Just a question for you,if you would ever need emergency medical help and a Black woman showed up to save your life. Would you ask for her qualifications or would you ask for a White male doctor ( who is not gay and who did not vote for trump?)
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, impulse said: You got that? I got that affirmative action and DEI drove airlines to hire, retain and promote pilots who are less qualified, based on gender and skin color. And it's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether the pilot on my flight is one of them. Or whether he got the pilot seat on merit. Want a perfect example? Check out the woman who crashed the military helicopter into a commercial flight in DC. She was a DEI (and favoritism) hire and it killed over 60 people. Do you want some examples of experienced White male pilots who screwed up badly? I just checked and by far the most airplane accidents caused by human error are caused by White male pilots. You see if you play the numbers game it always works both ways. Of course there are going to be more male engineers but not because women are less intelligent.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 2 hours ago, jvs said: Just like our opinions on here,don't take it too seriously. I take the opinions of those that would kill me for my political beliefs seriously.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 Popular Post 2 minutes ago, jvs said: I just checked and by far the most airplane accidents caused by human error are caused by White male pilots. You see if you play the numbers game it always works both ways. Aren't you the clever one, did you bother to check the number of white pilots compared to black ones too? Thought so, the numbers game does indeed work both ways
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, impulse said: Want a perfect example? Check out the woman who crashed the military helicopter into a commercial flight in DC. She was a DEI (and favoritism) hire and it killed over 60 people. Another example being the democrat party nominating Kamala Harris as presidential candidate, We all know she was a DEI hire and it cost them dearly they may never recover
September 15, 2025Sep 15 7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Aren't you the clever one, did you bother to check the number of white pilots compared to black ones too? Thought so, the numbers game does indeed work both ways Well thanks.yes of course i did that. Thank you for getting my point. I hope the person i responded to also gets it.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 11 minutes ago, TDCNINJA said: I take the opinions of those that would kill me for my political beliefs seriously. How many people do you think want to kill you for your political beliefs? I am certainly not one of them. Do you walk around AR 15 at the ready all the time? Wearing a MAGA hat?
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 minute ago, jvs said: Well thanks.yes of course i did that. Thank you for getting my point. I hope the person i responded to also gets it. so what was the ratio of black to white pilots , and their total flying hours, compared to the number of accidents they caused ? I'm sure you have all that info readily to hand having thoroughly researched it just now ....not
September 15, 2025Sep 15 18 minutes ago, jvs said: Do you want some examples of experienced White male pilots who screwed up badly? I just checked and by far the most airplane accidents caused by human error are caused by White male pilots. Could that be because most pilots are white guys? And 40-80 years ago when planes crashed all the time, they were virtually all white guys...
September 15, 2025Sep 15 8 hours ago, angryguy said: Theres some users here that were celebrating as well. Can anyone direct me to where i can report them to the authorities? Wow that isn’t even funny as a joke. You should be shunned from this forum!! Probably the worst thing I have ever seen posted here in 20 years!!!
September 15, 2025Sep 15 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: Yeah, the context was that he really likes black people, but he just doesn't think that they're capable of piloting a plane. Ha. Wrong, to put your 'quote' into context as you did not..... "Right after, he explained it wasn't about race per se but the "DEI overlay": "See, that's the problem. I wouldn't say that about a white pilot because there's no narrative pushing that they got there via affirmative action or diversity quotas. But now, thanks to these policies, every minority hire in aviation—or surgery, or whatever—comes with that asterisk. It's not fair to them, and it's not safe for us. DEI is creating racism where there wasn't any by making people suspicious." the "boy" phrasing drew particular criticism for its historical connotations, but Kirk framed it as casual Southern-style address)." He extended the example: "Same with a Black lesbian surgeon—"I wouldn't want her cutting me open if I think she got there because of identity politics, not skill. It's about excellence, not exclusion."
September 15, 2025Sep 15 29 minutes ago, jvs said: So do you think the US army just let her slide and promoted her because she was Black and/or a woman? I don't claim to know. If they did, it wouldn't be the first time. But I would bet she got some preferential treatment because she worked directly for the Biden WH as a "Social Aide" and was popular with the first family. That's why I referred to "favoritism" in my post. It's not what you know, it's who you know...
September 15, 2025Sep 15 8 hours ago, impulse said: I don't know if "the authorities" are tuned in, but here ya go: A website dedicated to exposing the sick leftists celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk has received over 50,000 submissions. Expose Charlie’s Murderers is seeking to hold leftists accountable for their violent rhetoric following his murder. https://www.charliesmurderers.com/ Source: Gateway Pundit, which I freely acknowledge is a rightwing rag. But they're not wrong here. Impulse: I’m just shocked. Do you enjoy the lack of freedom of speech and the press in China? You get to sidestep it for the most part and are free to leave anytime you want so it’s not the same for you but is that want you want for the US? You can be Republican all you want but that never included a belief that we don’t have freedom of expression or a free press. Do you enjoy Dictators? What is going on here? Are you still American? Are you a bot?
September 15, 2025Sep 15 3 minutes ago, impulse said: I don't claim to know. If they did, it wouldn't be the first time. But I would bet she got some preferential treatment because she worked directly for the Biden WH as a "Social Aide" and was popular with the first family. That's why I referred to "favoritism" in my post. It's not what you know, it's who you know... Ok, i understand how that works. Kind of the same way a lot of unqualified people are in the White House now. However in the latter it is more about how loyal you are and not about what you look like.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 3 hours ago, Smokin Joe said: The 1st Amendment only applies to the Government not restricting freedom of speech. It does not apply to employers. It never has. You are absolutely correct. With reference to folks being fired for saying hateful/bad things about Charlie Kirk's death. No, the First Amendment does not protect these individuals from being fired by their private (or even public) employers in this context. Here's a clear explanation. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech." This protects against government censorship or punishment for speech, but it applies only to actions by federal, state, or local governments—not private entities. In other words: It prevents the government from jailing you, fining you, or restricting your speech (with exceptions like true threats, incitement to imminent violence, or defamation). However, it does not create a right to say whatever you want without consequences from non-governmental actors, such as employers.
September 15, 2025Sep 15 17 minutes ago, impulse said: Could that be because most pilots are white guys? And 40-80 years ago when planes crashed all the time, they were virtually all white guys... Yes you are getting it! Just like your example about engineers in your class. So the numbers do not work unless you start to dig a little deeper.
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