12 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

 

 

If the evil Putin is sending weekly 800-drone raids, why are there only reports of 2-3 casualties?

 

If he wants to target civilians, Kiev would look like Gaza.

 

 

 

I. I am glad you figured it out as Blackrock media control the sheep again 

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is no point in anyone engaging with any person who actually believes that Zelinskyy is a Nazi. BYE BYE.

Black Market arms dealer then and severely sick

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There you go again. Spreading Kremlin propaganda.

I see you didn't answer my direct ACID TEST question.

Of course you have no obligation to do so, but that tells any reasonable person that you do NOT believe Russia targets civilians.

Which means you have ZERO credibility on any serious discussion about this war.

 

Kremlin poopaganda?

 

Gosh, you can read the WESTERN "news."  Even they claim a minuscule number of casualties, and rarely distinguish between civilian and military, on these massive raids.  

 

The only civilian casualties are caused by Ukranian air defense missiles that miss the target and fall onto kindergartens and shopping malls, within which their missile batteries are hidden.

 

A couple weeks worth of raids results in fewer casualties than a single days manhunt of civilian children at Gaza aid stations.

 

 

You're missing an important choice in this poll:

 

- Scramble NATO jets to 'escort' the wayward Russian military planes out of NATO airspace, open fire only if threatened and in self-defense.

 

These kinds of violations happen all the time (arctic in particular). And that is the standard respose I believe.

13 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

You're missing an important choice in this poll:

 

- Scramble NATO jets to 'escort' the wayward Russian military planes out of NATO airspace, open fire only if threatened and in self-defense.

 

These kinds of violations happen all the time (arctic in particular). And that is the standard respose I believe.

 

Yes, but these are "violations" of the unilaterally declared ADIZ.  International airspace.  The Russians, the Chinese, and even the Canadians have the right to fly through these unofficial, unrecognized self-declared zones.

 

Nothing "wayward" about flying through neutral airspace.  We call it "freedom of navigation" when we do it.

 

22 hours ago, BLMFem said:

What a load of drivel. If the West had violated Russian airspace Putin would have used it for all it was worth, obviously. Propaganda wise it would have been a dream come true for him.

So, how does it feel to be one of the "useful" ones, buddy?

 

PS. The Laptop!!🤣

Yes, just look at the history of commie shootdowns of passenger planes without warnings!

2 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Black Market arms dealer then and severely sick

 

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Kremlin poopaganda?

 

Gosh, you can read the WESTERN "news."  Even they claim a minuscule number of casualties, and rarely distinguish between civilian and military, on these massive raids.  

 

The only civilian casualties are caused by Ukranian air defense missiles that miss the target and fall onto kindergartens and shopping malls, within which their missile batteries are hidden.

 

A couple weeks worth of raids results in fewer casualties than a single days manhunt of civilian children at Gaza aid stations.

 

 

Comrades,

 

You are hereby designated as "useful" and Putin thanks you!

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Yes, but these are "violations" of the unilaterally declared ADIZ.  International airspace.  The Russians, the Chinese, and even the Canadians have the right to fly through these unofficial, unrecognized self-declared zones.

 

Nothing "wayward" about flying through neutral airspace.  We call it "freedom of navigation" when we do it.

 

No. I'm refering to military jets flying over national terrirtorial airspace without permission. Immediately shooting them down is not an SOP of NATO or Russia as far as I am aware. Nor is letting them fly wherever they want unchallenged. There should have been a third choice in the poll, that's all I meant.

Just now, ronnie50 said:

No. I'm refering to military jets flying over national terrirtorial airspace without permission. Immediately shooting them down is not an SOP of NATO or Russia as far as I am aware. Nor is letting them fly wherever they want unchallenged. There should have been a third choice in the poll, that's all I meant.

That's a fair criticism. 

However, I did say WARN first.

It would be interesting if they would heed a warning.

I doubt it.

14 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Russia's Defense Ministry claimed its aircraft never entered Estonian airspace.

 

"On September 19, three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets completed a scheduled flight from Karelia to an airfield in the Kaliningrad Region," the ministry said.

 

"The flight was conducted in strict compliance with international airspace regulations and did not violate the borders of other states, as confirmed by objective monitoring. During the flight, the Russian aircraft did not deviate from the agreed-upon route and did not violate Estonian airspace. The aircraft's flight route took them over neutral waters of the Baltic Sea, more than three kilometers from the island of Vaindlo."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russia-denies-violating-estonian-airspace-with-mig-31-fighter-jets/ar-AA1MVJj2

 

I'm waiting for the GPS/radar evidence proving "unprovoked Russian aggression."  Until then, it's baseless allegations.

https://estonianworld.com/security/chart-shows-russian-jets-12-minute-violation-of-estonian-airspace/

1 hour ago, jvs said:

https://estonianworld.com/security/chart-shows-russian-jets-12-minute-violation-of-estonian-airspace/

It's better with the map, which is showing that there is a corridor between national sea zones of Finland and Eastonia, which jets could have used, like other jets did before. Claims, made in defense of Russia, that they had no other choice are clearly inaccurate!

 

The Russian planes/drones have not bombed anything in Estonia or Poland. Once a single bomb is released then go full on.

26 minutes ago, Purdey said:

The Russian planes/drones have not bombed anything in Estonia or Poland. Once a single bomb is released then go full on.

So what do you think about drones over Poland?

There is clear proof of that also.

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

So what do you think about drones over Poland?

There is clear proof of that also.

Russia has said they don't know how "their" drones ended up in Polish airspace and offered to send a delegation to try to get to the bottom of the issue..but so far crickets.

Seems to me there is an agenda to ramp up a NATO reaction/retaliation , a constant push for more war more war spending  and 

very little in the way of talking and de-escalation.

 

Should NATO shoot down Russian planes in international airspace ? no not at all  because then Russia can do the same  and you don't want that..cos it's WWIII  ,perhaps some maniac wants WWIII   but not me !

18 minutes ago, johng said:

Russia has said they don't know how "their" drones ended up in Polish airspace and offered to send a delegation to try to get to the bottom of the issue..but so far crickets.

Seems to me there is an agenda to ramp up a NATO reaction/retaliation , a constant push for more war more war spending  and 

very little in the way of talking and de-escalation.

 

Should NATO shoot down Russian planes in international airspace ? no not at all  because then Russia can do the same  and you don't want that..cos it's WWIII  ,perhaps some maniac wants WWIII   but not me !

The topic is not about "international airspace"...

3 hours ago, jvs said:

https://estonianworld.com/security/chart-shows-russian-jets-12-minute-violation-of-estonian-airspace/

 

Well, okay then!  That would be a violation......if true.

 

Looks a lot like a staffer used Microsoft Paint to draw a line.  I'd like to see something showing the entire flight, including the intercepting planes.

 

Let's see how the Russians respond.

 

 

Flighttrack of Dutch tanker:

1 hour ago, candide said:

The topic is not about "international airspace"...

Yes it is,  the supposed intrusions  are into airspace that is at the very least "contested" as international airspace  with analogues being 

US and others sailing through the "straits of Taiwan"   to  "protect" international shipping lanes.

3 hours ago, candide said:

It's better with the map, which is showing that there is a corridor between national sea zones of Finland and Eastonia, which jets could have used, like other jets did before. Claims, made in defense of Russia, that they had no other choice are clearly inaccurate!

 

 

8 minutes ago, johng said:

Yes it is,  the supposed intrusions  are into airspace that is at the very least "contested" as international airspace  with analogues being 

US and others sailing through the "straits of Taiwan"   to  "protect" international shipping lanes.

Absolutely not. This was inside the internationally recognised sea zone, not the ADIZ as misleadingly claimed by another poster.

 

The map shows that there is a corridor between the two sea zones. That's the international zone  Russian jets should have used, as other Russian jets and boats previously used.

The real question is "how long can this go on before it comes to a real showdown"?

2 hours ago, johng said:

Russia has said they don't know how "their" drones ended up in Polish airspace and offered to send a delegation to try to get to the bottom of the issue..but so far crickets.

...

It seems to me as an unexpert that if Ukrainian jamming is half-way efficient, some Russian drones ending up in Poland is nothing surprising. Jamming = leading astray.

On 9/20/2025 at 6:05 PM, Jingthing said:

Russia is now sending armed planes into NATO airspace with basically no NATO response showing NATO is a paper tiger.

 

No, it shows NATO is not insane and is avoiding a nuclear war with Russia at all cost. 

 

Good policy by NATO.

 

The last thing we need to do is destroy the planet over some errant drones, caused by Ukrainian defense.

28 minutes ago, candide said:

The map shows that there is a corridor between the two sea zones. That's the international zone  Russian jets should have used, as other Russian jets and boats previously used.

Russia says they were in that zone others say they were not...

GPS, radar and satellite images/data   are suspiciously absent

from these "reports" 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, it shows NATO is not insane and is avoiding a nuclear war with Russia at all cost. 

 

Good policy by NATO.

 

The last thing we need to do is destroy the planet over some errant drones, caused by Ukrainian defense.

Caused by Ukrainian defense???how’s about your putin not sending them in the first place?im thinking you are a bit confused ehh?that would be putin causing the situation not Ukraine.anyway obviously putin is in no position to confront NATO in any conventional sense presently and im thinking we should have COMPITENT leaders back in power here in the states before he is.

31 minutes ago, johng said:

Russia says they were in that zone others say they were not...

GPS, radar and satellite images/data   are suspiciously absent

from these "reports" 

One reason being that the Russian jets had turned their transponders off! 

21 minutes ago, Tug said:

obviously putin is in no position to confront NATO

Obviously Putin has  gone head to head with NATO for the last few years already,

maybe NATO has not not unleashed the big guns yet ??

1 minute ago, candide said:

One reason being that the Russian jets had turned their transponders off! 

GPS,satellite and radar does not require a transponder.

1 minute ago, johng said:

Obviously Putin has  gone head to head with NATO for the last few years already,

maybe NATO has not not unleashed the big guns yet ??

Nonsense Russia has gone against Ukraine not nato that’s rubbish now if you were to say NATO aligned countries have provided Ukraine with the tools to defend itself from Putins invasion then I’d agree with you.

14 minutes ago, johng said:

GPS,satellite and radar does not require a transponder.

There's no GPS on Russian jets.

Just now, candide said:

There's no GPS on Russian jets.

GPS satellites are up there in space  not on anyone's jets

they can see/track all movements of anyone's jets  but we have not seen  evidence from this incident  as of yet.

 

17 minutes ago, Tug said:

NATO aligned countries have provided Ukraine with the tools

A.K.A  Russia has been fighting the proxy war against NATO for a while now  but perhaps NATO has not unleashed the big guns yet.

29 minutes ago, candide said:

There's no GPS on Russian jets.

Russia has it's own GPS system!

GLONASS (Global Navigation Satellite System) is Russia’s counterpart to the American GPS. Developed and operated by the Russian Federation, GLONASS provides global positioning, navigation, and timing (PNT) services