7 minutes ago, Jenkins9039 said:

you will end up being criminally charged at some point,

Hey maybe they will deport those dastardly pensioners back to Blighty and house them in 4 star hotels all expenses paid

(just loose the passport on the way)

2 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Will affect old farts with a pension

Will not affect young studs that are not intending to return and not entitled to a pension 
 

It'll mean no access to your UK bank for a start.

And no replacement passports.

3 hours ago, johng said:

I'm afraid you are one of those who will welcome the digital Panopticon with open arms...  very sad indeed.

No, not sad at all. I have no problem with it, as I know how to walk beside it anyway. There is no country that knows my total income, and it never will be. So, just walk around scared over what´s coming, instead of preparing yourself for all eventualities. You UK guys are very good at complaining about everything you see as wrong, but you can´t do anything to help yourselves. That´s the sad part.

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

No, not sad at all. I have no problem with it, as I know how to walk beside it anyway. There is no country that knows my total income, and it never will be

 

You know who to walk beside it  ? perhaps you can give us UK guys some tips  how to do it ?

 

What is sad is that you don't seem to comprehend the implications for us mere mortals..come on give us all some advice on preparing for all eventualities  escaping the digital panopticon I'm sure many will be eternally grateful. 

4 hours ago, johng said:

 

The person claiming state pension in Thailand is the one being cheated..as they receive no increase year on year  do you think that is fair ?

 

This digital ID scheme will be the death knell for all and any freedoms and rights..I can only hope it is a miserable failure  as it was for the war criminal Tony B Liar.

 

All Thais have ID cards and have done for decades, many decades, apparently they issue them to kids when they're 7 year olds now - you live here right - must be a nightmare for you?

 

16 minutes ago, ukrules said:

must be an nightmare for you?

 Yeah I wake up in a cold sweat every night.

12 hours ago, johng said:

 

You know who to walk beside it  ? perhaps you can give us UK guys some tips  how to do it ?

 

What is sad is that you don't seem to comprehend the implications for us mere mortals..come on give us all some advice on preparing for all eventualities  escaping the digital panopticon I'm sure many will be eternally grateful. 

Let´s just start with ABC, as you seem to need that. By the way, no problem, I am a mortal human being, just like you. Flesh and blood, you know? Right?

First, as a citizen of any country, you know most of the rules. With that, I am also saying that almost all UK guys know this before they take the big step the move to and settle in Thailand. So, then it doesn´t come as a surprise, right? I know as well as you, there is nothing you can do about your frozen pension. It is what it is. You guys know that.

However, just taking the plunge, and moving that´s outright silly! Even more silly, is that you complain over something you knew before you took the plunge. As I said, you are very good at moaning and complaining. When it comes to a contingency plan, you suck more than a hooker in a red-light district.

If you wish to move when stop working, you must plan for that. Not something that comes up when you are 65. Ops! Dear God, I want to move to Thailand. 😂

During your life, or only need that last 10 years before moving, you set up different income-sources. That will make you happy and solid living in Thailand. No need for complaining, and you would be able to live life to the full. How would that be? Sorry, I forgot! Then you guys have to think and plan, and that probably hurts too much.

12 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

All Thais have ID cards and have done for decades, many decades, apparently they issue them to kids when they're 7 year olds now - you live here right - must be a nightmare for you?

 

Yeah, I just don´t understand it. Seems like people move to Thailand, just to complain. Must be a terrible life to live. 

12 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

First, as a citizen of any country, you know most of the rules. With that, I am also saying that almost all UK guys know this before they take the big step the move to and settle in Thailand. So, then it doesn´t come as a surprise, right? I know as well as you, there is nothing you can do about your frozen pension. It is what it is. You guys know that.

You don't have to tell anyone where you are!

12 hours ago, ukrules said:

All Thais have ID cards and have done for decades, many decades, apparently they issue them to kids when they're 7 year olds now - you live here right - must be a nightmare for you?

 

My kid was issued his first one last year, he was 12.

16 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Tell my why if you live in the Philippines you get the increases?

I explained this in another thread some time ago.  Outside the EU/EEA, UK state pensions are increased only in those countries that have a social security agreement with the UK, and those agreements are few and far between and generally were made a long time ago, (example being The Philippines).  South Korea also has a similar agreement with the UK I believe.

 

The government of Thailand did request many years ago such a social security agreement to be established with the UK, but their formal request was not even acknowledged by the UK government, let alone acted upon....  Other countries (eg Laos, Cambodia etc) never made any request.

 

So the reason for frozen pensions in Thailand is 100% down to the actions (or non-action) of the UK government at the time).

 

BTW, any discussion about the effects of UK ID cards on expats is moot, because the Starmer government has zero idea of any aspect of this ID card scheme.  IMHO, it is yet another attempt to deflect discussion from the issue of illegal immigration, which will continue to increase regardless of anything that this useless government proposes or implements, (short of using live rounds to persuade the boats to turn around).  I'll happily donate to buy some ammo...

21 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You don't have to tell anyone where you are!

So, you didn´t know then. 

34 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

I know as well as you, there is nothing you can do about your frozen pension. It is what it is. You guys know that.

Clearly you don’t know !

12 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Clearly you don’t know !

Yes, I know! And there are no legal ways to fix it. You know it, and it hurts.

Dr Mike YEADON is very outspoken on the proposed UK Digital ID cards and refers to it as 'The Hill to Die on'.  

His advice > Whatever the consequences, however inconvenient, however scary: resist, refuse, do not comply with digital ID.  

And he eloquently outlined the reasons for his stance in the open letter 'The high risk of tyranny from digital ID' to his MP, Rosie Duffield. 

 

Source: https://suavek1.substack.com/p/dr-mike-yeadon-the-warning-from-the

 

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

So, you didn´t know then. 

I always hid my address so the Brit police couldn't find me. No planning for my arrival and stay in Thailand, just running away.

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I always hid my address so the Brit police couldn't find me. No planning for my arrival and stay in Thailand, just running away.

You hid your address so the Brit police couldn´t find you? Really? On the other way, that just confirms my suspicions. 😂

However, you probably meant that you run around, and his at different addresses. Run, run, run! What a beutiful life!

8 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

You hid your address so the Brit police couldn´t find you? Really? On the other way, that just confirms my suspicions. 😂

However, you probably meant that you run around, and his at different addresses. Run, run, run! What a beutiful life!

No, the UK police classed me as a 'dangerous and violent psychopath', and I was never to be approached by less than two male police officers (though normally they waited for four). That cost them 7,000 pound in an out of court settlement as they didn't have the correct medical qualifications to make that assessment.

 

The prison psychologist, on the other hand, after a lengthy interview classed me as 'temporarily slightly depressed as a reasonable reaction to police harassment' and was kind enough to provide me with a copy to show the court.

 

Do you have an official document to prove your mental health?

 

15 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 

Do you have an official document to prove your mental health?

 

 

My Thai ex-wfe #2 used to carry a printed note in English in her handbag.  She readily volunteered to show it to anyone who was stupid enough to chat with her.

 

The note read:  "I am not mad"

 

You can draw your own conclusions!

 

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

No, the UK police classed me as a 'dangerous and violent psychopath', and I was never to be approached by less than two male police officers (though normally they waited for four). That cost them 7,000 pound in an out of court settlement as they didn't have the correct medical qualifications to make that assessment.

 

The prison psychologist, on the other hand, after a lengthy interview classed me as 'temporarily slightly depressed as a reasonable reaction to police harassment' and was kind enough to provide me with a copy to show the court.

 

Do you have an official document to prove your mental health?

 

Nice to hear everything worked out fine for you. 😂

Regarding the document, I have never believed it was necessary as I´ve not been grappling with issues of the kind you are presenting. 

Another stupid idea and waste of money, France and Germany have ID cards and they have lots of illegal immigrants. 

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

And he eloquently outlined the reasons for his stance in the open letter

Whilst I don't support the need for a 'digital id' in general terms unfortunately I would be amazed if his MP even bothered to finish reading his letter or his link(s)

IMO I don't think the average person would use the term "eloquent" for it but something a little more dismissive. 

 

If the planned initial objective of the ID is to deter immigration in some way then he would have been better off outlining why it won't work otherwise he will just get panned as another conspiracy theorist. (If it was in one of the links I didn't read them all.)

On 9/26/2025 at 2:15 PM, Gaccha said:

The British government is already aggressively using AI to sift huge amounts of data to detect fraud cases. The results-- widely reported in the media-- are pretty remarkable, with billions clawed back from would -be tax evaders and welfare cheats. A person defrauding the taxpayer by claiming to be resident in the UK for their state pension is a welfare cheat.

Whilst I applaud recovering benefit fraud money unfortunately I think your "billions clawed back" may be overstated. I wouldn't mind being proved wrong by links to some of media you mention?

Also as per my posting here - https://aseannow.com/topic/1371614-benefit-fraudsters-claiming-£500million-a-year-from-abroad/

and other govt publications they talk about billions in fraud being recognised but not actually about how much is reclaimed - apologies if that is being pedantic but I did find a report stating that they don't publish that figure.

 

Also fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your viewpoint, the State Pension comes under the list of benefits that cannot be reduced or stopped -

 https://www.gov.uk/benefit-fraud

So not sure what if anything they do if found out.........?

 

23 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

FYI those of you living in Thailand, but claiming to be in the UK/Other need to understand something, Thailand joined CRS, that means all your financial(s) are either sent as standard to the UK or are available (in-depth) on demand, so if anyone here is cheating the pension system/other you will end up being criminally charged at some point, this isn't human driven its AI driven... 

 

 

There is no public record of a UK pensioner ever having been criminally prosecuted for claiming state pension increases whilst living in countries where such increases are not permitted.

 

 

On 9/26/2025 at 3:56 PM, Peter Crow said:

Why? Nothing wrong as long a one knows which country is indexed and which isn't.  While everyone is free to move to an indexed country.

 

But better I stop talking about this, IMO there is no discrimination while I am painfully aware of the devastating inflation we have had for the past couple of years.

Question is why are some countries indexed and others are not? A British citizen is a British Citizen

On 9/26/2025 at 4:14 PM, johng said:

It should be for all..for reasons I stated above  expats cost the UK less than if they stayed in UK

On what basis did you derive that gem?

On 9/27/2025 at 7:53 AM, simon43 said:

I explained this in another thread some time ago.  Outside the EU/EEA, UK state pensions are increased only in those countries that have a social security agreement with the UK, and those agreements are few and far between and generally were made a long time ago, (example being The Philippines).  South Korea also has a similar agreement with the UK I believe.

 

The government of Thailand did request many years ago such a social security agreement to be established with the UK, but their formal request was not even acknowledged by the UK government, let alone acted upon....  Other countries (eg Laos, Cambodia etc) never made any request.

 

So the reason for frozen pensions in Thailand is 100% down to the actions (or non-action) of the UK government at the time).

 

BTW, any discussion about the effects of UK ID cards on expats is moot, because the Starmer government has zero idea of any aspect of this ID card scheme.  IMHO, it is yet another attempt to deflect discussion from the issue of illegal immigration, which will continue to increase regardless of anything that this useless government proposes or implements, (short of using live rounds to persuade the boats to turn around).  I'll happily donate to buy some ammo...

Agreed but when, and many I know do this, have a UK account into which the money is paid do not get any increase?

4 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

On what basis did you derive that gem?

They don't use the NHS,free bus pass,free TV license? 

Just now, johng said:

They don't use the NHS,free bus pass,free TV license? 

So once all your information is on a card a scammer once they gain access to your ID have a wealth of information that you really dont want people to know. I don't suppose you considered that or maybe you don't think scammers could gain access to your ID card.

If the proposed ID card just had Name, Address and a Photo I would not have a problem with it but the government will want to embed a lot of personal data including bank data and health data.

On 9/26/2025 at 3:50 AM, Card said:

Well, well at last the UK govt is possibly going to introduce digital ID cards to reduce illegal immigration. But will they be required by all UK residents or is it based on citizenship? How will it affect UK citizens living in Thailand, particularly if they are maintaining a false residence in the UK to gain access to banking, enhanced state pensions and the NHS?

Then they will get what they deserve.Lying to the government is serious.