42 minutes ago, candide said:

A MAGA calling others sheeple! 🤣🤣🤣

Still wearing that mask MSM told you to wear? How many jabs have you had? 

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Still wearing that mask MSM told you to wear? How many jabs have you had? 

Typical sheeple comment! 🤣

 

BTW

 

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats

4 hours ago, Peabody said:

"Hakeem Jeffries is asked, “how does this end?” He has no answer. Everyone, even CNN, knows Trump won’t give him anything."

This is the root of the problem.

Repub representatives are no longer an independent branch of government. They are totally beholden to that fecal stain in the WH and are paralyzed by the fear of upsetting their master and getting primaried. Repubs need to take his d**k out of their mouths long enough to vote on their own.

The left votes lock-step 99% of the time, but all the sudden when they right get there sh*t together it the end of democracy as we know it. Hilarious. 

 

During Biden's term, I think Republicans voted almost 20 for the continuing resolution. 

4 hours ago, Keep Right said:

The left wing zealots just cannot take a joke unless of course they are making it. I think Schumer and Starmer must be related, both want to see their countries become third world cesspools with invading illegals. So very sad!

 

Its what their democracy looks like , a cesspool of third worldism.All for one and all for the oppressed!

Just what you expect from a Man Baby , especially when more people are

going to loose their jobs , and he cannot take a joke himself ,pussy.

 

regards worgeordie

2 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Just what you expect from a Man Baby , especially when more people are

going to loose their jobs , and he cannot take a joke himself ,pussy.

 

regards worgeordie

Loose

Just now, riclag said:

Its what their democracy looks like , a cesspool of third worldism.

Jimmie Kimmel making a "joke" about Charlie Kirk's murder, hilarious.

 

Mocking Schumer and Jeffries for shutting the government down to fund illegally alien healthcare and social programs, it's the end of democracy as we know it, 

21 hours ago, darbie-foos said:

they NEVER post ANYTHING remotely associated with democrat accomplishment for the country, because there's nothing positive to report. Really simple explanation for the less than articulate liberal Muppets trolling here in line with their fellow democrat simpletons across the spectrum. They're just corrupt criminal liars stealing from Americans to add illegal Criminal aliens to their dwindling voter roles. 

 

 

This is actually a state funded program using state funds for emergency care only and is outside the Federal Medicad program

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Still wearing that mask MSM told you to wear? How many jabs have you had? 

News flash: who initiated the vaccines to be produced and funded accelerated production under operation Warp Speed?

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

News flash: who initiated the vaccines to be produced and funded accelerated production under operation Warp Speed?

Joe Biden. 

Just now, nick supreme said:

Joe Biden. 

Nope 

6 minutes ago, Dan O said:

This is actually a state funded program using state funds for emergency care only and is outside the Federal Medicad program

They should get free healthcare once they step food on US soil. 

18 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

They should get free healthcare once they step food on US soil. 

They are not eligible under the federal program but every state has their own medicad program that is run by the states, has their own guidelines and funded by the states

53 minutes ago, riclag said:

Its what their democracy looks like , a cesspool of third worldism.All for one and all for the oppressed!

You are truly clueless 

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

News flash: who initiated the vaccines to be produced and funded accelerated production under operation Warp Speed?

News flash: Who pushed it.

 

5 hours ago, candide said:

Typical sheeple comment! 🤣

 

BTW

 

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats

You seem to have a misunderstanding of "sheeple". It was people from the right that pushed agaist the vaccine mandates and propoganda from the left. The sheeple went out and got several jabs, wore masks and stood 6 feet apart as the MSM. CDC etc. told them to. SAFE and EFFECTIVE.

JD holden back the laughs .Makin Fun of  the Sombrero memes has the left in full melt down !The front row WH leftist  carrying the the woke tears to the WH press conference.

 

 

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You seem to have a misunderstanding of "sheeple"

Would you care to enlighten us all then please!

6 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Would you care to enlighten us all then please!

Don't truncate my post. Here it is again. It's rather straight foward. The sheeple did what they were told to do.

 

You seem to have a misunderstanding of "sheeple". It was people from the right that pushed agaist the vaccine mandates and propoganda from the left. The sheeple went out and got several jabs, wore masks and stood 6 feet apart as the MSM. CDC etc. told them to. SAFE and EFFECTIVE.

5 hours ago, candide said:

Typical sheeple comment! 🤣

 

BTW

 

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats

I didn't realize that political affiliation was on death certificates.  

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Don't truncate my post. Here it is again. It's rather straight foward. The sheeple did what they were told to do.

 

You seem to have a misunderstanding of "sheeple". It was people from the right that pushed agaist the vaccine mandates and propoganda from the left. The sheeple went out and got several jabs, wore masks and stood 6 feet apart as the MSM. CDC etc. told them to. SAFE and EFFECTIVE.

After the mask mandate was lifted.   The closer one was to DC, the more people where wearing masks. 

You gotta love the sense of humour Trump and Vance bring to the White House.

 

Hilarious.

5 hours ago, candide said:

Typical sheeple comment! 🤣

 

BTW

 

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats

Here are some of the methodological issues and criticisms that have been raised (or that one could raise) with the paper “Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic” by Wallace, Goldsmith-Pinkham & Schwartz, NBER / JAMA etc. (NBER)

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What the paper does

Before talking about limitations, just a quick recap so we know what is being done:

• Uses linked data from voter registration or primary-participation (to infer party affiliation) from Florida and Ohio in 2017. (NBER)

• Mortality data from 2018-2021. (NBER)

• Compares “excess deaths” (deaths above baseline, adjusting for age, seasonality etc.), for registered Republicans vs Democrats. (JAMA Network)

• Finds that after vaccines were widely available, excess death rates for Republicans are significantly higher than for Democrats. (JAMA Network)

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Key criticisms / methodological issues

Here are issues raised in commentaries, plus additional ones that logically follow.

1. Ecological fallacy and use of aggregate / area-level vaccination rates

   • Although the study uses individual-level voter registration data, for vaccination status it does not have individual vaccination data. Rather, it uses county-level vaccination rates as a contextual variable. (JAMA Network)

   • This can lead to ecological fallacy: attributing to individuals something inferred from the average in their county. In this case, one can’t be sure that the individuals who died (or whose excess death is being counted) are unvaccinated, just because their county has low vaccination rates. There might be compositional differences, etc.

2. Measurement of political affiliation differences between states

   • The way “party affiliation” is measured differs between Ohio and Florida:

     • In Florida, it’s from party registration. (CIDRAP)

     • In Ohio, it’s based on participation in a party primary election in recent years. That’s a different type of measure: it reflects both registration/affiliation and whether someone voted in primaries. That could introduce bias (e.g. by voter participation, by interest, by health etc.). (CIDRAP)

3. Confounding variables and omitted variable bias

   • There are many potential confounders that might differ by political affiliation and also relate to mortality (or excess deaths). For example: baseline health status (comorbidities), socioeconomic status, race/ethnicity, access to health care, health behavior (beyond vaccination), occupation, urban/rural differences etc. If these are not fully controlled for, then part (or all) of the observed difference might be due to these other factors.

   • The authors do adjust for age, seasonality, state, county, etc. But some critics argue that residual confounding remains. (JAMA Network)

4. Causality vs association

   • The design is observational / cross-sectional for much of the analysis. Therefore, the results show associations, not causal effects. E.g., we can’t definitively say that being Republican caused higher excess death; it may be correlated with behaviors or other risk factors (including vaccination, but also non-COVID causes of death) that are themselves the direct cause.

   • The paper suggests that vaccination differences might explain a lot of the gap ‒ but they do not have individual vaccination status, so that mechanism remains speculative. (JAMA Network)

5. Biases in the baseline / estimation of “expected deaths”

   • Estimation of “excess deaths” requires a model of what would have been expected absent the pandemic. How that baseline is built (which years included, how seasonality is modeled, how demographic changes are accounted for) can strongly affect the estimated excess.

   • If Republicans vs Democrats differ in demographic trends over time, or in migration, or in age structure changes, etc., and those are not fully accounted, the baseline itself might misrepresent what would have been expected.

6. Generalizability / selection bias

   • The study is for only two U.S. states (Florida and Ohio). The patterns there may not generalize to other states. Floridian and Ohioan populations, their political makeup, health systems etc. are specific.

   • Also, the study is limited to registered voters / primary participation lists. Some portion of the population is unregistered, or does not vote, or votes in ways not recorded / tracked, etc. So results apply only to those with measurable party affiliation in the data.

7. Temporal issues and vaccination rollout timing

   • The timing of vaccine availability, rollout, variant waves, public health policies etc. differ by location and over time. The study divides before and after “all adults eligible for vaccine” (May 1, 2021) in this case, but there may be lags in uptake, availability, policy restrictions, supply, etc. So “after vaccines available” does not mean “everyone who wanted one got it” or “vaccination coverage is high”.

8. Potential bias from missing data or misclassification

   • Death causes are not separated; some excess deaths may be non-COVID causes (e.g. delayed care, overdose, etc.), which may be differentially distributed by political affiliation, geography, economic status etc. If Republicans and Democrats differ in health care access or non-COVID mortality risk, differences in excess deaths could reflect those differences rather than COVID or vaccination per se.

   • Also, misclassification of party affiliation: people might have changed affiliation, might be misregistered, or participation (Ohio primary vote) may be a noisy signal of affiliation.

9. Heterogeneity across subgroups

   • The effect size appears to vary significantly by age group, state, and county vaccination rate. Some critics point out that in Florida the differences are smaller / not statistically significant than in Ohio. (JAMA Network)

   • Also, for some age groups the differences are non-significant. (JAMA Network)

10. Interpretation / attribution

    • The study sometimes suggests that vaccination differences may be explanatory, but it’s tempting to over-interpret. Especially in media coverage, there’s risk of inferring stronger causal claims than the data supports.

    • Also, other public health measures, masking, social distancing, local policies, individual behaviors, access to health care etc., may mediate or confound the observed associations.

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Specific criticisms raised in published commentaries

One commentary in JAMA Internal Medicine, Discrepancies in Estimating Excess Death by Political Party Affiliation During the COVID-19 Pandemic by O’Mahen etc. raises some points: (JAMA Network)

They list 5 limitations; among them:

• The ecological fallacy via use of aggregated vaccination rates instead of individual data. (JAMA Network)

• Potential underestimation or mismeasurement of true differences due to differences in how party affiliation is measured in Ohio vs Florida. (JAMA Network)

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1 hour ago, Dan O said:

They are not eligible under the federal program but every state has their own medicad program that is run by the states, has their own guidelines and funded by the states

You are truly clueless 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You gotta love the sense of humour Trump and Vance bring to the White House.

 

Hilarious.

The left does not have a sense of humor. 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

You gotta love the sense of humour Trump and Vance bring to the White House.

 

Hilarious.

Yep! The radical left are insane. 

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

And we all know who to thank for shutting the government down.

 

Yes, that is definitely the Democrats' fault How mendacious to try and blame Trump for this.

 

They're trying to pass the law that will fix the issue and the Democrats are blocking it.

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

You are truly clueless 

Yellowtail disagrees with you!😆

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Kimmel didn't joke about Kirk's death,

Exactly. He made a political point blaming MAGA. Obviously from your post you either don't understand this or it's deliberate diversion.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, that is definitely the Democrats' fault How mendacious to try and blame Trump for this.

 

They're trying to pass the law that will fix the issue and the Democrats are blocking it.

The Democrats are the party of propaganda.   Chuck Schumer blocks the bill in the Senate and the dems talking points blame Republicans.