9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

FACT: “Vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.”—Johns Hopkins Medicine

At the speed of science.. years compressed into months.

75 years to release the trial data to the public..at the speed of corruption and cover up. 🤮 

I believe in making informed decisions, which is why I look to credible sources of information  and disregard those with long and proven track records of spreading  false and disproven claims.

 

Credible info like this:

 

How do we know mRNA vaccines are safe and effective? An explainer

...

"A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analysis of data from hundreds of hospitals and Medicare claims found that, from 2023 to 2024, Covid-19 vaccines reduced immunized adults’ risk of ending up in an intensive care unit or dying from the disease by almost 70% during the first two months after vaccination and by half up to 10 months after vaccination."

 

Stat

https://archive.ph/fTkmP#selection-1733.61-1737.307

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I am not anti-vaccine, but I never find it very convincing when the people selling something tell me how great it is. 

 

I still do not know anyone that died from covid, nor do I know anyone that got sick, much less dies from the vaccine.

The hospital stories with bodies lined up were faked?

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

If I see factcheck mentioned again, I'm gonna kick the cat.

I suppose they could have a website that simply says : Nature has all the answers. But it wouldn't get us far unless we fact check what that actually means. 

1 hour ago, mavik said:

Yes, disinformation is a problem.

 

It's when you're told that you'll die without a jab. And then, without a 2nd one. And then - without a booster. And then - without a new booster for the previous one. And then - without a new jab for a new strain. And then - without a 2nd jab for that new strain. And then......

If I never have taken a jab, never have worn a muzzle "to protect myself", never washed hands with those chemicals,  should I then believe the news, the doctors that are pro- the measures, the TV, the forums?

Or my own experience? The doctors that are anti- measures and anti-jabs? The experience of others who have never taken a magic jab against c19 either?

Yeah, disinformation is a real issue.

 

Great post, THANKS!

29 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

The hospital stories with bodies lined up were faked?

I have no idea. This is the first I've heard of so many vaccine deaths that hospitals had bodies lined up. Do you have a link?

Most people should have heard alarm bells when the whole "SV40 insert" news started to become public. This is the main factor behind the  increase in cases of certain cancers.

https://www.floridahealth.gov/_documents/newsroom/press-releases/2024/01/20240103-halt-use-covid19-mrna-vaccines.pr.pdf

1 hour ago, cmsally said:

Died from Covid or with Covid - that has always been the problem with the statistics.

Sad news. Billy, the street's most sociable drunk, has been run over by a steamroller, and killed. His mother says it was a terrible accident. Authorities blame covid, as his PCR test result has just come through; and it was positive.

 

Brings the covid death count in the village to 1,234,567. And worldwide to just over 9 billion.

45 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

The hospital stories with bodies lined up were faked?

The hospitals were empty.

 

Bodies lined up?

49 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

The hospital stories with bodies lined up were faked?

Remember the many Nurse Choreography dancing-clips in those 'hospitals filled with bodies' ?  

1 hour ago, cmsally said:

Died from Covid or with Covid - that has always been the problem with the statistics.

Add to that end of life meds for old people sick with covid. The whole saved "millions of lives" is based on models funded by big pharma. Unfortunately there will always be those who believe what they're told to believe even if what they're told to believe has been funded by the companies that develop the drugs.

39 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I have no idea. This is the first I've heard of so many vaccine deaths that hospitals had bodies lined up. Do you have a link?

They were so overcrowded that Thailand had to build field hospitals…..that never seemed to have a lot of pictures full of Thai people, who we know just love to take selfies every time they’re in the hospital.

 

 

Anti-vaxx disinformation is a big problem. It's akin to hate speech as it urges people to make decisions that are harmful to themselves and others.

Vaccinate them, with or without their consent.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1374964-forced-vaccination-of-the-unvaccinated/

23 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Remember the many Nurse Choreography dancing-clips in those 'hospitals filled with bodies' ?  

Oh yes!   Those overworked heroes.   It brings tears to my eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

Where on earth did they find the time to choreograph those dances?

 

And last but not least, let’s all say a prayer for all the healthy children who died. 😭

 

 

You're correct since it is not a vaccine in the sense it stops you getting covid.

 

44 minutes ago, Airalee said:

They were so overcrowded that Thailand had to build field hospitals…..that never seemed to have a lot of pictures full of Thai people, who we know just love to take selfies every time they’re in the hospital.

 

 

And remember when the lefties were going on about needing more hospital beds, so Trump sent the hospital ship to New York, and then it was like, uhhhhhhhhhh, never mind....

 

And the ventilators? The left was howling about needing more ventilators, so Trump jawboned the manufacturers and got them expedited, and then it was uhhhhhhhhhhhh, never mine...

 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Airalee said:

They were so overcrowded that Thailand had to build field hospitals…..that never seemed to have a lot of pictures full of Thai people, who we know just love to take selfies every time they’re in the hospital.

 

Because the Thai govt had rules the protect the privacy of people living/staying in their COVID shelters, and as a result, the only photos that typically circulated or were allowed were of when the facilities were empty as they got ready to open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty amazing that the COVID denialists and anti-vaxer conspiracy theorists are so much out in bloom today, and so divorced from what the world recognized as reality.

 

It also says a lot about the posters here who keep supporting and advocating the nonsense COVID vaccine conspiracy theories that regularly get posted here -- divorced from reality.

 

Thailand sends Covid patients home on trains as virus cases and deaths mount in the capital

July 28, 2021

 

"Bangkok CNN  — Thai citizens seeking Covid-19 treatment in Bangkok are being returned to their hometowns by train, in an effort to alleviate the burden on the capital’s medical system.

 

Thailand is struggling to contain its worst Covid-19 wave of the pandemic, with hospitals in Bangkok becoming overwhelmed by a surge in cases and demand for beds greatly outstripping capacity."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/asia/thailand-covid-patients-train-intl-hnk

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Because the Thai govt had rules the protect the privacy of people living/staying in their COVID shelters, and as a result, the only photos that typically circulated or were allowed were of when the facilities were empty as they got ready to open.

 

 

Nonsense.

 

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There was no side stepping of the standard vaccine testing and approval processes for the COVID vaccines. They went thru the normal multi-stage cycle of clinical trials as any other vaccine had and would have. 

 

What a total and utter load of khrapp - From the John Hopkins website - QUOTE

A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution.

Vaccine Research & Development - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

 

From another website - QUOTE

The average length of clinical trials for vaccines is five to ten years, enabling the study to go through all of the clinical trial phases. This allows time for scientists to determine whether the vaccine is safe and effective, gain regulatory approval, and manufacture the vaccine for distribution.

How Long Are Clinical Trials For Vaccines?

https://www.allclinicaltrials.com/blog/how-long-are-vaccine-clinical-trials

 

The TRUTH is that the Covid vaccines were 'tested' over 4-6 months - they were technically tested - but they were NOT tested thoroughly as in all previous vaccines.  There one clinical trial and no one immediately died or showed severe negative responses. Because of the declared pandemic AND no other approved treatment, Pharma was approved to go ahead and manufacture the new Covid vaccines. 

 

When a new vaccine is developed from a lab (which often takes years) it then must go through multiple rounds of testing - animal testing, followed by many rounds of clinical trials to ensure the vaccine is both safe and effective. This DID NOT happen for Covid vaccines - especially the new mRNA ones.

 

If you want to know the truth, you need to look beyond the BS.  Read this website below and you will see the truth about how new vaccines are developed and tested - it is very complex and takes years. 

Phases Of Clinical Trials: Clinical Trial Phases Explained

https://www.allclinicaltrials.com/blog/phases-of-clinical-trials

 

While some people are claiming they were not tested, that is not true. But they were NOT subjected to the same level of testing and clinical trials that all previous vaccines underwent. It was rushed and clearly not done properly - and Pharma was given legal protections to do it. 

 

IMO it is not Pharma that people should be chasing - it is the Government Authorities that pushed them to do it, and who approved them to do it, and who then commenced a propaganda campaign of fear and BS, and enacted Laws and Rules to try and force people to take those vaccines.  They are all running and hiding because they know those decisions were NOT based on 'real' science - 4-6 months of rushed and BS trials was not an acceptable method for approval.  And there was no efficacy testing - that was done during the rollout - and the results were not that good - the vaccines did not stop transmission or infection or re-infection.   

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And remember when the lefties were going on about needing more hospital beds, so Trump sent the hospital ship to New York, and then it was like, uhhhhhhhhhh, never mind....

 

And the ventilators? The left was howling about needing more ventilators, so Trump jawboned the manufacturers and got them expedited, and then it was uhhhhhhhhhhhh, never mine...

 

 

 

Did you see all the videos made by pissed off nurses around the world going around and filming the empty wards in their respective hospitals telling us we were being lied to?

 

But of course….park a truck and trailer on the street, take a picture…call it a mobile morgue and the left just can’t get enough of it.

7 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Nonsense.

 

 

The voice thereof....

 

 

--AI assisted.

1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

What a total and utter load of khrapp - From the John Hopkins website - QUOTE

A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution.

Vaccine Research & Development - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

 

From another website - QUOTE

The average length of clinical trials for vaccines is five to ten years, enabling the study to go through all of the clinical trial phases. This allows time for scientists to determine whether the vaccine is safe and effective, gain regulatory approval, and manufacture the vaccine for distribution.

How Long Are Clinical Trials For Vaccines?

 

 

The TRUTH is that the Covid vaccines were 'tested' over 6 months - they were technically tested - but they were NOT tested thoroughly as in all previous vaccines.  There one clinical trial and no one immediately died or showed severe negative responses. Because of the declared pandemic AND no other approved treatment, Pharma was approved to go ahead and manufacture the new Covid vaccines. 

 

hen a new vaccine is developed from a lab (which often takes years) it then must go through multiple rounds of testing - animal testing, followed by many rounds of clinical trials to ensure the vaccine is both safe and effective. This DID NOT happen for Covid vaccines - especially the new mRNA ones.

 

If you want to know the truth, you need to look beyond the BS.  Read this website below and you will see the truth about how new vaccines are developed and tested - it is very complex and takes years. 

Phases Of Clinical Trials: Clinical Trial Phases Explained

 

While some people are claiming they were not tested, that is not true. But they were NOT subjected to the same level of testing and clinical trials that all previous vaccines underwent. It was rushed and clearly not done properly - and Pharma was given legal protections to do it. 

 

IMO it is not Pharma that people should be chasing - it is the Government Authorities that pushed them to do it, and who approved them to do it, and who then commenced a propaganda campaign of fear and BS, and enacted Laws and Rules to try and force people to take those vaccines.  They are all running and hiding because they know those decisions were NOT based on 'real' science - 4-6 months of rushed and BS trials was not an acceptable method for approval.  And there was no efficacy testing - that was done during the rollout - and the results were not that good - the vaccines did not stop transmission or infection or re-infection.   

Maybe they did test the vaccines…..just not for what one would assume.

 

I for one think they’re very effective.

 

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The voice there of....

 

 

--AI assisted.

Nonsense

4 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Did you see all the videos made by pissed off nurses around the world going around and filming the empty wards in their respective hospitals telling us we were being lied to?

Covid's got talent.

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

A prior report from 2022 by Stanford University, but nonetheless one that is still relevant today for the unmoderated nonsense that is often posted online:

 

--------------------------------------------

 

In a new report, Stanford researchers outline steps that public health officials and the research community can take to curb the spread of vaccine-related mis- and disinformation online.

 

"Despite overwhelming scientific evidence showing that COVID-19 vaccines are a safe and effective means to prevent severe cases of a disease that has killed nearly one million people in the U.S., there has been a proliferation of false and misleading claims trying to undermine the public’s confidence in their safety and uptake. {emphasis added]

...

As the pandemic continues to be an ongoing health emergency with new variants rapidly spreading, it is increasingly urgent that accurate vaccine-related information be accessible and readily available to the public, said Stanford scholar and leading expert on mis- and disinformation, Renée DiResta.

...

A long history of anti-vax disinformation

Public health organizations and social media platforms have been trying to tackle the problem of anti-vaccine activism and hesitancy long before the coronavirus pandemic. Indeed, vaccine misinformation can be traced back to when vaccines were first developed, DiResta explained.

...

Today, online communities foment fears by offering digital spaces for mis- and disinformation to flourish in largely echo chambers where anti-vaccination activists, unrestrained by editorial gatekeepers, have been able to broadcast their claims, unchecked. Despite social media platforms developing policies against vaccine-related mis- and disinformation, anti-vaccination activists have become savvy at avoiding accountability for the misleading and pseudoscientific claims they spout." [emphasis added]

 

(more)

 

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2022/02/curbing-spread-covid-19-vaccine-related-mis-disinformation

 

 

 

Nobody pumped out more Covid disinformation and fear mongering than the OP. Stunned to see such a lack of self awareness.

5 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, 

 

And as explained above, the authorities speeded up the normal vaccine approval process by overlapping some of the same regulatory and clinical trial processes that needed to be and were followed, in order to get the vaccine out to prevent people from dying... They also got the manufacturers to begin producing the vaccines before they were approved, on the assumption/risk that they would be approved, which they were.

 

But NONE of that involved skipping or bypassing any of the normal regulatory or clinical trial steps in getting ultimate approval.

 

 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And as explained above, the authorities speeded up the normal vaccine approval process by overlapping some of the same regulatory and clinical trial processes that needed to be and were followed, in order to get the vaccine out to prevent people from dying... They also got the manufacturers to begin producing the vaccines before they were approved, on the assumption/risk that they would be approved, which they were.

 

But NONE of that involved skipping or bypassing any of the normal regulatory or clinical trial steps in getting ultimate approval.

 

 

By "the authorities" you mean Trump and "Warp Speed" yes? 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And as explained above, the authorities speeded up the normal vaccine approval process by overlapping some of the same regulatory and clinical trial processes that needed to be and were followed, in order to get the vaccine out to prevent people from dying... They also got the manufacturers to begin producing the vaccines before they were approved, on the assumption/risk that they would be approved, which they were.

 

But NONE of that involved skipping or bypassing any of the normal regulatory or clinical trial steps in getting ultimate approval.

 

 

Warp Speed.

 

So catchy.

 

But you’re wrong (and a liar) and we already know that.