10 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Not all Israeli vote for the current government, not all Palestine's are Hamas.

 

   but the Palestinians who aren't Hamas , hate Israel just as much as Hamas do 

38 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   but the Palestinians who aren't Hamas , hate Israel just as much as Hamas do 

Under the current regime I can understand

11 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

i condemn Hamas and the people who support them, especially the people on here, did you see them shooting Palestinians in the head a few days ago, executions, the lefties like that

Crazy to say lefties like this!

 

BTW the biggest financial supporter of Hamas is Qatar, Trump's buddy's

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

How was the population largely innocent? The population supported, aided and abetted the invasion of Israel, the slaughter of 1200+ unarmed non combatants, the wounding of thousands of non combatant civilians and the taking of 251 people hostage, and then the killing of most of the hostages. On the day of the invasion, 3,000+ militants invaded Israel following an intense barrage of an estimated 5,000 missiles and rockets that were fired from areas in residential  neighborhoods, adjacent to schools, hospitals and public facilities. The militant command and control bunkers were concealed in civilian infrastructure and the hostages were kept in "civilian" locations. The population in large part celebrated the attack on Israel and offered its full support to the operation. All this was done prior to the Israeli attempt to liberate the hostages.

 

On any given day in the Syrian war thousands of civilians died, to make up the 650,000+ dead toll. The same of the Iraq war. On any given day in Darfur, hundreds of Africans can die. And yet you demand that the population of Gaza which supported the  violence of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others be accorded special attention and to be called "innocent".   No non combatants should die. Unfortunately, in Gaza, most everyone who has died is a part of the war.  Rather odd that you are not crying any tears for the Gazans who are now being executed by Hamas and others as the rivalries and corruption play out.

 

 

The UK population largely supported the British Empire..........but I doubt many would see them or hold them responsible for the horrors 'we' exacted up on the world.

57 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Under the current regime I can understand

 

   they detest Israel existing , they have done so since Israel was formed , nothing to do with the current situation 

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   they detest Israel existing , they have done so since Israel was formed , nothing to do with the current situation 

Right and you know that because you live there?

If you want to be a judge of countries, first of all tell us which country is 100% correct.

After that, you can rate the other countries according to their righteous status.

On 10/18/2025 at 10:44 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

This video examines how moral standards, media narratives, and political interests shape the conversation about Israel and Palestine, and why some questions are asked while others are not

Good point 

 

47 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Right and you know that because you live there?

 

  well i have  been there , although i don't live there

7 hours ago, mogandave said:

You claim you are totally against harming anyone, and the when the policies you advocate harm people, you say you don’t care. 

 

And now you’re back to your inane perfect world argument.

 

 

 

You're not going to let this go, are you?

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

You're not going to let this go, are you?

Let what go? Letting you dodge questions with silliness? 

 

Yes, we all both want the perfect world, and we both despise the intentional killing of innocent children, and be both want Israel and Palestine to live in love and harmony. 

 

We only differ in that you believe Hamas/Palestine is the better means to that end, and I think the IDF/Israel is the better means to that end. 

7 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

The UK population largely supported the British Empire..........but I doubt many would see them or hold them responsible for the horrors 'we' exacted up on the world.

Ok, take it up with john Bull and others. You did not respond to the   inconvenient truth about the Gaza population.

Yellow - "We only differ in that you believe Hamas/Palestine is the better means to that end, and I think the IDF/Israel is the better means to that end". 

 

Yellow - I doubt that Jeff thinks exactly as you say - I'd put it this way - "bodies representative of Palestine and Israeli citizens are the means to that end".

 

The Trump 'ceasefire' is fragile as seen already. War criminal Netanyahu has humoured Trump this time, because he already has everything he wanted.

 

Gaza is destroyed, the West Bank subjugated and the 'Two Nation' solution, sidelined to say the least. God help them all !

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   they detest Israel existing , they have done so since Israel was formed , nothing to do with the current situation 

You so freely speak for millions of people you yourself hate, assigning them views that justify your own hatred.

 

10 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Let what go? Letting you dodge questions with silliness? 

 

Yes, we all both want the perfect world, and we both despise the intentional killing of innocent children, and be both want Israel and Palestine to live in love and harmony. 

 

We only differ in that you believe Hamas/Palestine is the better means to that end, and I think the IDF/Israel is the better means to that end. 

I’ve not seen any post from you in which you express concern over the killing of innocent children in Gaza.

And then the reality...

 

On 10/18/2025 at 9:28 PM, Yellowtail said:

The same people condemning Israel today were condemning Israel three years two years ago.

At least they should condemn Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hanoi, etc. as well

1 hour ago, Peter Crow said:

At least they should condemn Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hanoi, etc. as well

Why? 

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

 

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel.

 

However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

 

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

 

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel.

 

However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

 

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

 

Israel, as pure as the driven snow, lol

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/summary?id=D000046963

The USA and its little buddy Israel, rule. Whatever we do is fine, whatever we let them do is fine, try and stop us as world leaders line up to kiss the orange butt.

 

Winners.

 

Carry on spewing, as opposits of winners.

Noting but a lying, terrorist state, thanks to @Somjot for the following,

 

 

Culture of lies, eh?

 

30 babies, beheaded

 

Babies in ovens

 

Gang rapes

 

No, we did not kill Hind Rajab

 

No, we did not kill he World`s kitchen employees

 

We care only about the wellbeing of the hostages - that`s why we bomb every building they could be held in.

 

No we did not kill those 15 aid workers.

Ok, we killed them but only because they did not turn their emergency lights on

Ok, their lights were on but one of them was Hamas, so the killing was legitimate.

No we did not bury them to hide them, we were protecting them against the cold and animals

Yes, we buried their cars too, because bla bla bla

 

Seriously , do you think I am Israeli, when you talk about my culture?

 

Thanks anyway, you gave me a really good laugh.

 

That from all people it is you blaming my culture for encouraging lies.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

 

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel.

 

However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

 

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

Did you notice when Trump addressed the Knesset, he asked Miriam Adelson to stand up?

Her, and her husband gave Trumps campaign $400,000,000!!
The richest evil woman in the world.

6 minutes ago, JimCM said:

The richest evil woman in the world.

One of your rulers. Nice old Grandma she is.

On 10/18/2025 at 10:36 PM, Roadsternut said:

He's been misquoted of course, and except for his term "Islamo NAzis", he is spot on about the intentions of the Israeli government, which was not about saving hostages, but more about saving its own neck (the government depends on a continuing conflict to hold together). The Israeli government has always claimed sovereignty over Gaza. Fine, but if that was the case, as the Rabbi points out, then Israeli soldiers should be prepared to lay down their lives reclaiming and defending that sovereignty.

six problems a Gaza ceasefire has brought Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/17/what-are-the-six-main-problems-a-ceasefire-has-brought-benjamin-netanyahu

 

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

One of your rulers. Nice old Grandma she is.

How is she my ruler? I’m not a yank or Israeli.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

 

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel.

 

However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

 

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

Great book on the lobby by this man.

 

 

38 minutes ago, JimCM said:

How is she my ruler? I’m not a yank or Israeli.

LOL. OK

14 hours ago, Peter Crow said:

At least they should condemn Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hanoi, etc. as well

Hanoi and the Viet genocide committed by the US was completely unnecessary and should be condemned as well as the massive destruction and loss of life in Laos too. But equating Israel with Dresden is not only wrong, it's morally bent.

 

You cannot make any kind of moral equivalency between Israel's response to the Hamas attacks and the US response to Hitler's insane execution of millions of innocents. 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Hanoi and the Viet genocide committed by the US was completely unnecessary and should be condemned as well as the massive destruction and loss of life in Laos too. But equating Israel with Dresden is not only wrong, it's morally bent.

 

You cannot make any kind of moral equivalency between Israel's response to the Hamas attacks and the US response to Hitler's insane execution of millions of innocents. 

And let's not forget that the Palestinians supported Hiler and the Nazis in WWII.