2 minutes ago, Celsius said:

No, that's your fact. The fact is a lot of women work even in Thailand. If I'm paying, please do tell what I'm paying for?

 

Whether a woman works or not is totally immaterial. She'll still ask the man she is with to pay her bills. Do you seriously think any rational person would believe Richard or you or your friends or his friends, don't pay for meals, holidays, mortgages, rent, food, gifts etc...?

 

You can deny it all you want. Everyone knows it just a lie.

1 minute ago, Celsius said:

and I am not paying and never paid to have sex with anyone - ever.

 

You are paying. 

 

You're just deluding yourself. Maybe the truth is too hard to accept for you. You need to pretend you're "special". Plenty of guys like you on AN. All liars, sadly. Mostly to themselves.

 

2 minutes ago, Celsius said:

But to you a 3 is an 8 so you have no credibility. 

 

You mean the fact that you claim this gorgeous girl is a "3" destroys your credibility.

 

25 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's actually a fallacy that socio-economic background automatically means a girl is not seeking resources, in any event.. CM girl was middle class for sure, and she selected based on resources, and was one of the most material girls I ever met.

 

Lets keep feeding those delusions

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Whether a woman works or not is totally immaterial. She'll still ask the man she is with to pay her bills.

You live in a very small world.

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

My idea is that when a woman demands money from me claiming that she's had sex with me every day - then its not a legitimate relationship...   Its frankly ludicrous that you are attempting to white-wash a relationship with a hooker as conventional !!!... 

 

I'm doing no such thing. This girl is not a "hooker". You're whitwashing your own relationship pretending your girl and your friends' girls are not after exactly the same, resources. You're paying, like everyone else. 

 

You mean financially independent women with the own careers started dating my friends because they thought they'd get paid for it ???? - interesting take.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

she's going to cover the rent / mortgage, electricity bill, food-shopping, supplies, fuel bills etc from this allowance ??

 

You're not culturally aware, in Thailand taking care of a parent is part of the normal bills for young people.

 

I'm culturally aware enough to spot a 'girl on the game' vs a regular female who'll enter a relationship out of genuine attraction rather than hunting financial gain.

 

You on the other hand are so culturally blind you can't spot a girl hunting down your wallet.

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But it could be any one of those 15 johns if they are prepared to pay 'longer term'.

 

No. You're really pitifully unaware of how it works with women. Any woman who is not an outright prostitute, will simply not choose a man based on money alone. They choose a man and then seek resources. Just having money will in no way guarantee you can get with any of the girls. They call it "dating". They don't see themselves as prostitutes. They pick and choose. And money is just one consideration.

 

It seems to work for you - just having money... she figured you might have more money than the last cheapskate she was with, thats all. 

 

I are partially right - if a person is extremely grotesque a financially destitute female who's looking for a financial return when entering a relationship may chose an alternative customer person to sleep-with live with.

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

but its not a legitimate relationship - its a relationship where her sole purpose is to make money.

 

No, her sole purpose is not just to make money. That's an incidental necessity. And what you deem "legitimate" is really only of interest to you.

 

Why is she asking for money then ? - thats her only purpose - she's not there because she loves you.

The money stops, she moves on - and she will as soon as she's found her next potentail source of income.

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But don't be under any illusion that she'd move onto a guy who she doesn't like if he's willing to pay her 20,000 baht per month.

 

Do you think if your gf/wife were propositioned by a man offering vastly more money than you do, or any of your friends, that she would not consider it? This is in the nature of things. Hypergamy exempts noone. 

I know she wouldn't consider it - otherwise she wouldn't be with me - she'd be with one of the wealthy guys who propositioned her !!...   I can't speak for my friends Wives - but they will have had options and chose with the heart not the calculator. 

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She doesn't want to get a Job in Lotus, 7-11 or apply for work in various businesses or companies like regular girls do then ???

 

It's not clear to me yet. She keeps talking about a job. But she basically said if she doesn't get enough from me she'd get a job.

 

Sure she will...    You'd end up paying and justify it by stating that if she has a job she'll be away from you all the time and too tired for you !!!...  

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If you don't pay - she won't have sex with you - its that simple !

 

I didn't pay for days and she had sex with me. So obviously it's not that simple.

 

Its obviously that simple - thats why she's still asking for money !....  

When she realises no more is coming - her mask will drop again - meanwhile she's already looking for the next option.

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

she's a girl who's is prepared to be with a guy if he gives her money....

Which is every girl in the world. There's not a single man on all of planet earth today who is not paying for his woman. Despite the lies  some are putting out on this thread and elsewhere.

 

Again, that comparison you keep clinging to is pure self-delusion. Normal relationships don’t begin with a financial agreement. When a wife stops working to have children and her husband supports her, that’s a shared life decision - not a transaction.

What you’re describing is entirely different. You are paying for her presence and that was her plan from day one, and you know it. Yet you’re still trying to whitewash the blatantly mercenary nature of the arrangement, pretending it’s something deeper.

It isn’t a relationship. It’s a business deal - payment for services rendered.

 

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

What predictions did I make that were wrong ?

 

You predicted I was ghosted by CM girl, when in fact she asked to meet met, is one that comes off the top of my head.

 

CM girl is still messaging you ?...    She's long gone because you are of no financial value to her.

.

 

The saddest flex. 5 decades on earth and still having to PayPal for basic human intimacy.

38 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

myself (and others on this forum) simply aren’t so limited

 

Your knowledge of how dating works today is very limited, much like Celsius, because both of you are not actually dating today. So you clearly do not understand how it works.

 

 

Neither do you - you are not dating - you are picking up poor and desperate women who are looking for money in exchange for 'company'... 

 

38 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Your entire view of women is very limited in fact. There's a pay for play fool, a clean pool, those women are hookers, those are "legitimate". It's nonsense on stilts, figments of an ignorant mind.

 

Thats very amusing - that its you who mentions ignorance on the back of such astonishing levels of delusion.

 

 

36 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, rumak said:

 

are you making fun of his woman's lips ?   🤪

 

She has gorgeous lips. Her smile is the envy of the sun.

 

 

Her lips of the envy of gangs ferrying illegal immigrants across the English Channel....

36 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Excuse me, my gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend wants to feed me grapes.

 

I may be a while.

 

Girlfriend !!!...        

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Girlfriend !!!...        

 

 

 

 

24 year old !!!.....  

44 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Because it's completely irrelevant when the financial demand sets in, at the beginning, middle or end. This is just a question of strategy. Fact is all men will pay for their women. There are no exemptions, or so few as to be negligible.

 

Again - quite wrong... 

 

Examples:

a) Couple meet at Uni or in the work place, both work, date, get married, have kids, she stops working to bring the kids up, he supports the 'household' while she does not work.

 

b) Couple meet online, date, she asks for money to stay dating.

 

If you are unable to identity the stark difference between the two then you really are quite as foolish as you appear in this thread.

 

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

39 minutes ago, Celsius said:

But to you a 3 is an 8 so you have no credibility. 

 

You mean the fact that you claim this gorgeous girl is a "3" destroys your credibility.

 

Far from it - it highlights he's not wildly deluded and has standards - but, the eye of the beholder and all that... 

... If you see physical beauty no one can take that away from you...   Well, apart from the next guy willing to part with 20,000 baht for a a bipolar rubber dingy... 

 

 

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

If you are unable to identity the stark difference between the two then you really are quite as foolish as you appear in this thread.

 

The only difference is the intentions of the girl.

If she plans to stay or if she is just scheming to get money and then dump you. 

 

Otherwise, both situations you described are no different.

 

57 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's actually a fallacy that socio-economic background automatically means a girl is not seeking resources, in any event.. CM girl was middle class for sure, and she selected based on resources, and was one of the most material girls I ever met.

 

That’s true - there are gold diggers from wealthy socio-economic backgrounds, and equally there are well-meaning women from financially destitute backgrounds who don’t expect a single baht for their company.

 

And between those two extremes exists an entire spectrum.

 

At the far end, you’ve got the hookers, escorts, and women who sleep with men purely for money. One notch inside that are the ones who’ll agree to play the role of a girlfriend - but only if there’s a financial agreement in place.

A relationship in name, but a transaction in reality.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

destitute backgrounds who don’t expect a single baht for their company.

 

Why would you not want to give a single baht to a destitute woman?

Keep hording all your money for yourself while someone else is struggling?

Makes no sense. 

 

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If you are unable to identity the stark difference between the two then you really are quite as foolish as you appear in this thread.

 

The only difference is the intentions of the girl.

If she plans to stay or if she is just scheming to get money and then dump you. 

 

Otherwise, both situations you described are no different.

 

 

 

Oh they very different - But...  if you are in a relationship where your significant other would leave if she didn't get paid, I can see why you want to white-wash it and try and make it look as normal as possible... 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

A relationship in name, but a transaction in reality.

 

Call it a pig with lipstick.

Doesn't matter what you call it.

Of course a destitute woman will "love you" if you help her out financially.

Because paying the bills is an "expression of love".

 

Maybe you been brainwashed by one too many Hugh Grant Hollywood crapola movies. 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

destitute backgrounds who don’t expect a single baht for their company.

 

Why would you not want to give a single baht to a destitute woman?

Keep hording all your money for yourself while someone else is struggling?

Makes no sense. 

 

Ah I see... so now you are trying to paint the idea that you are paying a salary for a girlfriend as philanthropy and charity...   not only whitewashed - quite saintly !!! - knight in shining armour !!! 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Call it a pig with lipstick.

Doesn't matter what you call it.

Of course a destitute woman will "love you" if you help her out financially.

Because paying the bills is an "expression of love".

 

Maybe you been brainwashed by one too many Hugh Grant Hollywood crapola movies. 

 

How quickly would she stop loving you if you stopped paying her salary ???

 

Was / is she in love with you ? or in love with the financial support ?

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

How quickly would she stop loving you if you stopped paying her salary ???

 

Was / is she in love with you ? or in love with the financial support ?

 

Depends how shallow the woman is and how much of a proclivity for materialism she has and proclivity for not much else. 

 

And also, you need to try to steer the relationship in other directions, not just make it about money 24/7.

But still, supporting a woman in financial need is "an expression of love".

 

But one should avoid selecting a woman who is not deserving, to the best of their abilities. If you choose wrongly, you will suffer the injury of investing your resources on someone who didn't deserve it.

 

This happens when giving to beggars. One beggar I give to is highly appreciative and always says "thank you" enthusiastically and I can tell he's not faking, so every time I see him, I give him something. Another beggar woman almost seems to have a mocking grin on her face when I give her something, so I stopped. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Depends how shallow the woman is and how much of a proclivity for materialism she has and proclivity for not much else. 

 

When a “relationship” exists because of a financial agreement, or even the expectation of one, the materialism involved isn’t romantic, cultural, or circumstantial - it’s purely mercenary

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

And also, you need to try to steer the relationship in other directions, not just make it about money 24/7.

But still, supporting a woman in financial need is "an expression of love".

 

If you 'have to steer' the relationship in a direction away from being 'just about money' - then its not a genuine relationship.

... and, agreeing to pay a woman to be your girlfriend at the beginning of a relationship maybe an expression of your love for her (or simply a need for company) - but its not an expression of her love for you, its an expression of her need for money.

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But one should avoid selecting a woman who is not deserving, to the best of their abilities. If you choose wrongly, you will suffer the injury of investing your resources on someone who didn't deserve it.

 

That sounds noble, but it completely misses the point. In pay-for-play dynamics, there is no “deserving” woman to carefully select in the first place. When the foundation of the arrangement is financial, you’re not “investing your resources in the wrong woman” - you’re simply paying the going rate for a transactional role...

The risk isn’t choosing someone who “doesn’t deserve it”...
The risk is believing you’re making a meaningful choice at all... 

In a mercenary setup, deserve doesn’t enter the equation - only price does and thats why Cameroni has found himself in negotiations.

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

This happens when giving to beggars. One beggar I give to is highly appreciative and always says "thank you" enthusiastically and I can tell he's not faking, so every time I see him, I give him something. Another beggar woman almost seems to have a mocking grin on her face when I give her something, so I stopped. 

 

Noble analogy, but it’s a very different scenario from pay-for-play dynamics. A beggar expressing gratitude is genuine - you give without expectation, and the exchange is minimal and voluntary.

 

With women who demand financial compensation for attention or sex, it’s not about gratitude at all. It’s a calculated system: affection, company, or sex is offered only in exchange for payment.

It’s a transactional setup - a business deal disguised as intimacy, not a genuine relationship.

 

And notice the word I used: demand. That’s the crucial difference. In some arrangements with regular monetary exchanges, the financial expectation is implicit, and affection or company isn’t withheld. But if services are withheld until payment is made, then the monetary demand defines the interaction, and the relationship is mercenary, plain and simple.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Whether a woman works or not is totally immaterial. She'll still ask the man she is with to pay her bills. Do you seriously think any rational person would believe Richard or you or your friends or his friends, don't pay for meals, holidays, mortgages, rent, food, gifts etc...?

 

You can deny it all you want. Everyone knows it just a lie.

Did you have her sign a contract specifying what is included in the 20,000 baht-per-month payment?

2 hours ago, Fact said:

Did you have her sign a contract specifying what is included in the 20,000 baht-per-month payment?

This is something I thought about over the years. 

 

I'd like get some input from members, possible things we could enforce, enter into a contract between boyfriend and girlfriend. 

 

Probably, should start a new thread 🤔

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If anyone believed it was actually a girlfriend, they would be careful to be more respectful. But pretty much everyone here, including the OP, knows what she is.

A youngish woman, with plastic surgery of all things, looking for a new sugar daddy. Bottom shelf. Not even naturally attractive, in any way. Seemingly just useful for sex. In exchange, she gets money.

I guess he models his life on these kinds of relationships, where famous/infamous people pick up 'models' who expect handsome remuneration along the way or starlets who hook up with each other, for publicity.

His ego cannot accept that there are women who actually like/love/respect their men. Women who ask for money neither respect themselves nor the fools who give it to them. I've seen that scenario enough times. Women coming on to me in the gym, whilst at the same time on the phone with their sponsors with regards to the latest instalment. Conversations with regard to how much they despise their sponsors...

Of course Cammy's girl is different...

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

Maybe it's a special relationship to you because you are "special". I can assure you my relationship is quite normal and I am not paying and never paid to have sex with anyone - like never.

 

But to you a 3 is an 8 so you have no credibility. Up your game bud.... that ain't worth 20k or even 10

 

For someone who claims to have never paid, you seem to know the going rates.

12 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Call it a pig with lipstick.

 

Now come on - that's not nice, she has a name. What is her name actually @Cameroni?

20 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

For someone who claims to have never paid, you seem to know the going rates.

Those are Cameroni's stated rates.

1 hour ago, Celsius said:

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It's those one's that threaten "sewer side"   that really worry me .   That's when they cut themselves up and flush themselves down the toilet .