2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Which there's a 99% certainty IS the case !!!...

Mere speculation, devoid of pertinent facts, Richard.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the only reason she's there (to make money)

Sure, possibly in a factory, you don't know how.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the only reasons she wont video call

This I will raise with her. I'm sure we'll do calls soon.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

he only reason she's active text afternoons evening

I don't follow this one?

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the only reason she wont send you her location

She claims she did send the address. This too I will clarify.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

everything you've written over the past 173 pages is sufficient information !!!

No, there's not a shred of evidence to justify your 99% claim. It's a possibility but one among many.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's on the game - IF not, why can't you visit - its just that simple.

I can, she never stopped me from coming. I will again raise the spectre of me turning up in Chonburi soon. See how it goes.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Shadow from her lips ???

When you blow that pic up and look at her eyes - she looks like the devil!

Have I been banging the actual devil, Richard???

20 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So you pushed it back to me, doesn't change anything. What you mean is that there is nothing deep and mysterious in what you write. I accept that.

And I accept that of you and most other commentators on the noddy blog, I use it for a bit of fun when taking a ten minute break from 'work', don't take yourself too seriously.🤪

4 hours ago, mangkut70 said:

 

Whatever she is doing… it’s pretty clear you are not on top of her list. Maybe does not even have to do with you personally. Maybe it’s as simple as what you wrote in the OP: she is not interested in having a serious relationship or settling down with someone. She just does what she does and enjoys her youth, beauty and the power over men which comes with it.

 

In my experience, if an Asian girl (and again – it does make little difference if a regular girl or p4p) sees you as her best prospect, she would be there with you, in fact not letting go of you. Probably pressuring you to let her move in your apartment, starting to hang her dresses in your wardrobe and sh*** like this. (Actually, rather difficult to get rid off)

A bit of a general statement probably based on your own experience of women.

What about Thai or other women who already have their own apartments, or properties or multiple properties, businesses , careers etc, self sufficient women who do not need the money but are looking for an equal partner.

It makes me laugh at how many farangs are self made 'experts' on Thai women but in reality they have just moved in the circles of the same type over and over as they would not even be considered by the type of women I have just mentioned.

But carry on as it makes me laugh, I have been told this sort of stuff face by farangs and I normally laugh and say this says a lot about them than anything else, I tell them to stop hanging around the low end of Thai society.

But in most cases they have no choice due to a poor education, tattoos and the rest.

5 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

There is a phrase for this, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't allowed on this forum, even though it's now been X-rated.

There is a non-X-rated version.

After all the evidence over hundreds of pages it is time to say:

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is almost certain it is a duck. 😃

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

So to summarize:

She asked me to come with her to Phuket on 20 February, meet in BKK fly to Phuket.

As that would be 6 weeks down the line, she's hardly texting and could text even less if she gets a job, doesn't do phone calls, I told her it's not acceptable. There's no way I'd wait 6 weeks to see her again.

Instead i offered to come to Chonburi next week. When I therefore asked her to send a screenshot showing where her condo is, her room number, she refused and said she'd already sent address details.

Given her refusal to show where she was I then ended it with her.

She insisted she was with the sister of a relative, and that I did not understand. That she just wanted to get as much money as possible to go to Phuket on 20 February with me, to get her graduation certificate. And she'd come back with me to Chiang Mai to study then.

I told her we're done unless she sends a Whatsapp video showing her room with her relative in it.

Her whole story that she'd go to Sisaket for her mother's birthday and vote was a lie. She claims she spent 2 days in Sisaket and then her aunt said "Oh I'm going to Chonburi why don't you come I have a job in a fruit factory for you".

I am not buying this story. She spent two days pretending she was in Sisaket when she was in, supposedly, Chonburi.

In Chonburi she talked about us getting a condo in Chonburi and living there at first, saying she'd come back to CM first, this week.

Now, this out the window. Instead she says she'll work in Chonburi until 20 Feb, then meet with me again and go to Phuket. But refuses to send a Google maps schreenshot showing where she is.

So this refusal, coupled with her refusal to do any phone call for 7 days, hardly texting, refusing to send a photo with her aunt, refusing to do a video of her room with her aunt in it, and refusing to send a location share, all this makes me far too uncomfortable.

Besides, it would neve work to be apart for 6 weeks, since she hardly texts and does no phone calls. Everything would die.

So I ended it. She protested she's with her sister. I told her to send proof, but obviously there will be none.

So obviously you will apologise to me, Richard and everyone else you called liars, names, whose wives you insulted, and who were right all along.

Literally everything we said has been proven correct. But still your ego can't accept it - you were strung along from the start, she works in bars, she sleeps with people for money, absolutely every single thing that transpired was exactly from the p4p playbook, almost to a cliched extent. The only thing missing (up to now) is a sick buffalo.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

No, there's not a shred of evidence to justify your 99% claim. It's a possibility but one among many.

Far less information to justify your 95% white washing of reality....

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Unless she really is an escort or bargirl which is 95% certainly not the case.

I have to ask again since things changed but what really is the endgame here? You have to try to imagine what the profile of a 20 year old who is being sexual with a 50 year old. What really could she be after? You seem to be approaching this like a normal relationship but obviously it can't be that, right?

If you stop now you've already come out ahead so I don't see what else can possibly be gained here. In fact it's the opposite, things are getting worse and I don't see any reason that turns around.

You flip- like a coin , then it is heads then it is tails.

Fact is, she has spent money on you, so amount grows less. She needs the money.

In your pre meeting online with her , you never asked for anything on her

At least you didnt mention how your contacts with her were then.

Your only first conclusions were shameless, a slut, but intriguing.

Yes all is possible, thats life. She could copy action from first relation with Austrian.

Now it is your turn? However she needs money and you didnt give.

You refused to go with her as of "work", contacting BK girl and maybe others, work?!

Photo , common room, simple as she needs to save money.

Pic made in mirror, but she doesnt look in the picture mirror, someone standing there and she interacts

while taking pic.? Didnt bother to take another one.

Disturbing is the fact, she doenst really interact with you anymore and is allegedly hiding.

However phone switches on and off, you didnt buy a new one for her, but did pay 2 phones (money) for Phil girl, you told so.

Can also because of your treatment to her again and your interaction is bad.

You are dominant and demanding, as you described.

But lets say you treat her in good way interaction on phone.

You showed, she already had said "break up" and now you are in that situation as well.

However about she saying break up, doesnt mean she wants. It is Thai way? Heard it once as well from my "wife".

Sort of defense mechanism to some sort of shock.

So what did your father say about it? Have a go with BK girl, Phil girl !

But you already know, relations can be hard and everything can happen in it.

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This is the photo she sent.

Any view on what the black arc in the photo is? Or the quality of the room?

The feet... the belly... the arms. Downgraded to 2 because it's a man.

The power socket is unusually low and it looks different for this picture to be taken in Thailand.

Does he own any other dress?

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

So obviously you will apologise to me, Richard and everyone else you called liars, names, whose wives you insulted, and who were right all along.

Don't be ridiculous. It's still very much in the air what is really happening in this case.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Literally everything we said has been proven correct.

Don't make me laugh. 96% was hyperbole, comedy nonsense and just proven wrong.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

you were strung along from the start

No there was real connection from the start.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

she works in bars

No she doesn't

2 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

A bit of a general statement probably based on your own experience of women.

What about Thai or other women who already have their own apartments, or properties or multiple properties, businesses , careers etc, self sufficient women who do not need the money but are looking for an equal partner.

It makes me laugh at how many farangs are self made 'experts' on Thai women but in reality they have just moved in the circles of the same type over and over as they would not even be considered by the type of women I have just mentioned.

But carry on as it makes me laugh, I have been told this sort of stuff face by farangs and I normally laugh and say this says a lot about them than anything else, I tell them to stop hanging around the low end of Thai society.

But in most cases they have no choice due to a poor education, tattoos and the rest.

Fair enough. It’s normal that people judge something primarily from their own experience.

And it's true - most guys judge Thai girls based on the girls they meet : visiting Thailand as middle-aged men and exclusively meeting girls at bars or similar tourist-related venues.

Of course, my opinion is also mostly based on my own experiences. And my repeated experience was that Asian girls – once they focus on you – are very determined and competitive, to say the least. But maybe that was just the result of a certain personality I am attracted to? So, I got the same result because I ended up talking to similar girls?

Anyway, I was lucky enough to come to Asia in my late twenties, met many people through work, at receptions or functions. (Hardly any Thais around, but a good mix of Asia and SEA.) Happy on-and-off single life for a decade. Almost all of the girls I got involved with at that time had well-paying jobs and there was no big age gap. Some students in the mix as well. Quite demanding and time-consuming though. But many sweet memories and a valued educational period.

Also travelled a lot in the region and became more and more acquainted with p4p options. Also there I’ve met several girls with lovely personalities resulting in more or less exclusive relationships. Mostly good and rewarding experiences (hopefully mutual). And again — once they focused on me – they were very determined.

So that’s just the way I experienced it – hence my opinion about the Phuket girl and Cameroni: If she were really interested, she would already hang her dresses in his wardrobe and put little holes in condoms.

34 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

I have to ask again since things changed but what really is the endgame here? You have to try to imagine what the profile of a 20 year old who is being sexual with a 50 year old. What really could she be after? You seem to be approaching this like a normal relationship but obviously it can't be that, right?

Well, that this girl needs money surprises exactly noone. She's 24, 25 next month, and she's helping to maintain her parents, who're taking care of her sister's two kids from a previous rel. So despite the limited size of the family they must have gone through financial straits the likes of which we can't even comprehend.

So, within reason, clearly I can accept and help with these financial issues. The problem arises when the girl has unrealistic expectations. Say she hears from a friend that the farang boyfriend pays 80,000 baht a month (a real case I know).

To me, I can be in Chonburi, either for a while or may be longer term. I can go to Phuket in 6 weeks. it's all possible. I can work anywhere there's internet.

Phuket Girl said she is thinking about going back to Chiang Mai to study, after she gets her graduation certificate in Phuket. So I guess we'd then live in Chiang Mai agian.

But first we have to make it through the next 6 weeks of long distance. Which frankly isn't easy, given that she hasn't called once, and texts sporadically. This is my real concern.

So I'm seriously thinking about going to Chonburi next week.

39 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

If you stop now you've already come out ahead so I don't see what else can possibly be gained here. In fact it's the opposite, things are getting worse and I don't see any reason that turns around.

Well, the path of love never does run smooth. Of course there will be obstacles and problems. Unfortunately Phuket Girl threw us one now. So yes things got worse temporarily. However, worst case scenario we'd be back in bed in 6 weeks. Ideally sooner if I go to Chonburi. And hopefully the texting and call situation will improve. But obviously it's all a bit in the air now, depending on her moves too.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Brave face on what? There is no "torture". Was I disappointed she left, sure? Or that she lied about voting in Sisaket? Sure. Would I like her to call me more and update me? Sure. But the sun still shines. I still get to have my chocolate cream Tayoyaki and Tom Kung friend rice. And it looks like we'll be reunited soon anyway, just not as soon I'd like.

Lol, no dude, she asked me to send her the clothes she left here in my house.

There may well be something underhand going on, there may not be. However, chaos, deception and lies is the nature of the beast when you deal with women, if you can't accept that, don't date any women. Abuse? Let's not get carried away.

You merely confirm that you've not ever had a normal relationship in your life. Do you think it's normal that you need to post the picture of the woman whom you claim to love on the Internet, to ask people where they think she is etc?

That's not normal. You were out of your mind...and now you are pretending that everything is okay.

You are so desperate, that now you are willing to accept her terms. She's breadcrumbing you 😊 You are on your knees and she is in command.

I heard about men like you 😊 Love to be dominated and humiliated😊 Up to you 😊

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, that this girl needs money surprises exactly noone. She's 24, 25 next month, and she's helping to maintain her parents, who're taking care of her sister's two kids from a previous rel. So despite the limited size of the family they must have gone through financial straits the likes of which we can't even comprehend.

So, within reason, clearly I can accept and help with these financial issues. The problem arises when the girl has unrealistic expectations. Say she hears from a friend that the farang boyfriend pays 80,000 baht a month (a real case I know).

To me, I can be in Chonburi, either for a while or may be longer term. I can go to Phuket in 6 weeks. it's all possible. I can work anywhere there's internet.

Phuket Girl said she is thinking about going back to Chiang Mai to study, after she gets her graduation certificate in Phuket. So I guess we'd then live in Chiang Mai agian.

But first we have to make it through the next 6 weeks of long distance. Which frankly isn't easy, given that she hasn't called once, and texts sporadically. This is my real concern.

So I'm seriously thinking about going to Chonburi next week.

Well, the path of love never does run smooth. Of course there will be obstacles and problems. Unfortunately Phuket Girl threw us one now. So yes things got worse temporarily. However, worst case scenario we'd be back in bed in 6 weeks. Ideally sooner if I go to Chonburi. And hopefully the texting and call situation will improve. But obviously it's all a bit in the air now, depending on her moves too.

'Your' girl was twenty five at the beginning on this thread...

The Thai girl who stalked me was seventeen. She modified her ID to make it look as if she were twenty five. I found out through her German boyfriend calling me, as my name was disguised on her phone. She left gifts outside my door and everywhere I went, people were telling me that she was asking about me.

She was also in a similar situation with her parents. Every time she bailed them out, they would take another loan. I didn't give her any money. Yet, she stayed and got herself a normal job.

That's how it is if someone actually loves you.

Your situation is not unique and your girl is not behaving normally....because she's not your girl. See if she is interested in meeting up if you don't pay for everything and give her a salary. She'll be off again.

57 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Don't be ridiculous. It's still very much in the air what is really happening in this case.

Only in your head, it is painfully clear to literally every single other person in this thread - and it has been from the start.

59 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Don't make me laugh. 96% was hyperbole, comedy nonsense and just proven wrong.

See comment #1 above.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

No there was real connection from the start.

It's called acting. They are good at it - it's their job.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

No she doesn't

Of course she doesn't, sorry. She's in "Chonburi", not showing or telling you where, not answering your calls because she's busy shacking up with other men in two star hotels (and snapping a photo while the John is in the shower) looking for a job in a fruit factory.

Lives in "Phuket City" because she loves the beach (which absolutely no Thai girl does), nowhere near Patong and Bangla Road I am sure. Now in "Chonburi City".

She surely can't believe her luck that there is a person as gullible as this. I think it has to be a wind up, 175 pages of Cameroni laughing, nobody can be this naive, definitely not a top lawyer who's in the top 1% of earners.

1 hour ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

The Thai girl who stalked me was seventeen

a 17 year old stalked you??? How old were you then? that's very odd behavior.

20 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Now it is your turn? However she needs money and you didnt give.

I did give her money, but you're right I didn't give her 25 or 30,000, so not the generous amount she may have wanted, looking with one eye on escort websites perhaps and seeing those girls get 8000 a night.

I simply don't feel I need to overcompensate by paying over the odds, as I'm not 94 or hideous and of course I had BKK girl with an allowance of 8000 for a year. So I'm a bit sensitive to overpaying, after splashing like insane on Filipina 1.

23 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Disturbing is the fact, she doenst really interact with you anymore and is allegedly hiding.

Well, she does still interact, she texts me during the day and night. But I decided to go a bit cold since she refused a call again today. And that of course has had the result that she's more keen to send texts today. The real issue is that we're not calling. And she's not updating me really, telling me what she's up to. I have to pull everything out of her nose.

25 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

However phone switches on and off, you didnt buy a new one for her, but did pay 2 phones (money) for Phil girl, you told so.

Again, because she insisted on an Iphone 16 or Iphone 17. Had she accepted a normal android phone, it would be in her pocket now. Filipina 2 never insisted on an Iphone.

26 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

But lets say you treat her in good way interaction on phone.

You showed, she already had said "break up" and now you are in that situation as well.

However about she saying break up, doesnt mean she wants. It is Thai way? Heard it once as well from my "wife".

Sort of defense mechanism to some sort of shock.

Yes, she clearly doesn't want to break up. When we were close the other day. She said "Ok"...then "Ok?"...she didn't really want to break up. But she is an avoidant I suspect, she doesn't value relationships. We were in a good way again earlier, without angry flare ups and she was talking about meeting up in Phuket. But now she again talked about wanting to break up.

36 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I did give her money, but you're right I didn't give her 25 or 30,000, so not the generous amount she may have wanted, looking with one eye on escort websites perhaps and seeing those girls get 8000 a night.

Remunder. Normal relationships aren’t pay-per-touch. Keep paying for it and this is all you’ll ever get.

I actually think you must look hideous. I never paid for sex in Thailand. I am not paying my wife to be with me.

Ok, your turn with the usual how some famous men paid for prostitution l, just like you do.

42 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

a 17 year old stalked you??? How old were you then? that's very odd behavior.

The irony was that I had actually run away from a woman whom I thought to be a potential business partner, who came on to me. A few hours later, the Thai girl was following me. I actually told her...no no no, I have a girlfriend. Didn't stop her.

Another reason why paying to be with a girl is anathema to me. It was hard enough to avoid them.

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Shadow from her lips ???

When you blow that pic up and look at her eyes - she looks like the devil!

Have I been banging the actual devil, Richard???

You and 1000's of others... odds are the devil is finishing off that pack of trojans in the short-time hotel already...

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

But I decided to go a bit cold since she refused a call again today. And that of course has had the result that she's more keen to send texts today.

You are onto something here. If this has any chance to work out for you, she has to come to you. Don't let her ghost you. ghost her!

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The real issue is that we're not calling. And she's not updating me really, telling me what she's up to. I have to pull everything out of her nose.

You are much better off if you don’t care, what she is doing.

Don’t be a nagging annoying controlling nuisance.😉

 

I’ve had a girl like that, controlling, irrational jealous, kind of stalking away. Nobody likes that.

Well, Indian lady, highly educated, good job, fantastic sex but everything else was rather annoying. Several calls and messages per day. “Lets meet here”, “What are you doing right now?”, “Can you pick me up there”, “ lets do this and that”,"can you..."

In the end I sold my rather new Nokia brick because I thought this thing is turning against me, just making me easily reachable for annoying persons without any benefits for me.  Lived happily for several years without a phone again until I bought another phone (because of a girl of course.. to be reachable😋).

31 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

“Lets meet here”, “What are you doing right now?”, “Can you pick me up there”, “ lets do this and that”,"can you..."

Solid contribution, thank you. Now I’m cursed to read everything like you are about to sell me a suit or iternational sim card at least until the end of the day.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You and 1000's of others... odds are the devil is finishing off that pack of trojans in the short-time hotel already...

Reminds me of a good song all men need to listen to from The Steel Woods- The Secret..............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2xLW7ES7zU&t=59s

12 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

There is a non-X-rated version.

After all the evidence over hundreds of pages it is time to say:

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is almost certain it is a duck. 😃

Cameroni is insisting that it's a Duck billed platypus. To be fair, in the picture he posted, she does look like one. So he might be on to something there.

1 hour ago, mangkut70 said:

You are much better off if you don’t care, what she is doing.

Don’t be a nagging annoying controlling nuisance.😉

 

I’ve had a girl like that, controlling, irrational jealous, kind of stalking away. Nobody likes that.

Well, Indian lady, highly educated, good job, fantastic sex but everything else was rather annoying. Several calls and messages per day. “Lets meet here”, “What are you doing right now?”, “Can you pick me up there”, “ lets do this and that”,"can you..."

In the end I sold my rather new Nokia brick because I thought this thing is turning against me, just making me easily reachable for annoying persons without any benefits for me.  Lived happily for several years without a phone again until I bought another phone (because of a girl of course.. to be reachable😋).

I just turn off ALL notifications and only look at messages when convenient.

46 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Reminds me of a good song all men need to listen to from The Steel Woods- The Secret..............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2xLW7ES7zU&t=59s

There's a certain amount of truth in that. Women can ruin your life if you are weak and allow them to run rampant over you. My ex seemed evil...and proud of it.

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

There's a certain amount of truth in that. Women can ruin your life if you are weak and allow them to run rampant over you.

The hardest thing to find in life is a decent, compatible partner. Toxic people abound so it's best to avoid them.