1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Gisele Bündchen has firmly denied widespread rumors and accusations of being unfaithful to her ex-husband Tom Brady, stating such claims are lies often used to blame women for leaving unhealthy relationships, while Brady has hinted at disagreements over the timeline of her relationship with jiu-jitsu trainer Joaquim Valente, whom she's now dating. Bündchen has said she was blamed for having the "courage to leave an unhealthy relationship" and that her new relationship with Valente, a long-time friend, is transparent and honest.

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Lol, yet more evidence that you can't trust AI for Adam.

It is established beyond any doubt whatsoever that Giselle Bundchen and Joaquim Valente HAD a relationship BEFORE Bundchen divorced Brady.

What Bundchen is claiming is that they were "just friends" and the actual affair started during the divorce.

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Oslo I'd like to sell you. Lol.

Bundchen was posting videos of Joaquim Valente and singing his praises in 2021 LONG, LONG before the divorce from Brady.

And then supposedly during the divorce they "started" dating? No. She just lost her shame and started openly talking about their relationship. Why do you think she divorced Brady in the first place? Because she already had the next guy lined up. Think about the speed of her rel with Valente, how fast she became pregnant after the divorce. Full timeline below.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a63083285/gisele-bundchen-joaquim-valente-relationship-timeline/

Bundchen can say whatever she wants to say. She's a cheater and she cheated on Brady. Brady knows it. She knows it. The world knows it.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Lol, yet more evidence that you can't trust AI for Adam.

It is established beyond any doubt whatsoever that Giselle Bundchen and Joaquim Valente HAD a relationship BEFORE Bundchen divorced Brady.

What Bundchen is claiming is that they were "just friends" and the actual affair started after the divorce.

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Oslo I'd like to sell you. Lol.

I do not believe anything, and I think you believe what you want based on your own experiences as we most do.

I do not need to believe anything about Tom and Giselle, because what was between them doesnt concern me. Simple as that, and if someone is unfaithful, they usually have a reason for it?

Some just do it because they want and can, and some even do it for revenge. But for me to believe anything that is not proved, why should I ?

Other peoples relationships do not concern me, and I do not looking for other peoples weaknesses, I look for what they do and how they present themselves.

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

If you lost all your money and were living in cave, no doubt your wife would have divorced you despite your amazing trust.

You really are clueless when it comes to real love. Carry on in your pursuit of it.

Just now, Hummin said:

But for me to believe anything that is not proved, why should I ?

She posted videos of Joaquim Valente in 2021. Long before the divorce

Then think of the speed of their relationship, they openly came out as dating DURING the divorce, and she got pregnant almost immediately. This was a long, established relationship.

Bundchen claiming she didn't cheat is just she trying to save her reputation.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Other peoples relationships do not concern me

Yes, that's why you asked AI about it.

38 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

no, not all.

also depends on you. sometimes you need to blame yourself if your woman strays.

Disagree,

Cheating and lying is in their nature.

How the man behaves is largely irrelevant.

But obviously not all men are bright enough, or experienced enough to notice their behaviour.

Would also point out the better a man behaves, the more she lies and cheats. Woke advice, as usual, is completely the opposite to what actually happens in real life.

1 minute ago, marin said:

You really are clueless when it comes to real love. Carry on in your pursuit of it.

People in long term relationships do have this blind trust. That even if there were economic collapse their partner would stay with them.

The truth is very different of course.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Disagree,

Cheating and lying is in their nature.

How the man behaves is largely irrelevant.

But obviously not all men are bright enough, or experienced enough to notice their behaviour.

All very true.

Cheating is in their nature, as it is in ours. Men are no different as regards propensity to cheat.

However, whilst we are descended from the Bonobos, and are prone to cheat, you're quite right, many men and women can control that urge. Not all succumb to it. About half do. Half don't. According to statistics.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She posted videos of Joaquim Valente in 2021. Long before the divorce

Then think of the speed of their relationship, they openly came out as dating DURING the divorce, and she got pregnant almost immediately. This was a long, established relationship.

Bundchen claiming she didn't cheat is just she trying to save her reputation.

Yes, that's why you asked AI about it.

I did a fact check on your statement out of curiosity since you so strongly believe what happened, but overlook every red flag concerning your own situation.

Again, I can not state I know if I do not know the circumstances or the true facts.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Cheating is in their nature, as it is in ours.

If it bothers you so much, then don't participate in it.

Don't cheat and don't get involved with women who are attached.

You have no control over what other people do.

I've seen a bunch of guys posting ads on personal sites actively looking for discontented married women. This is creepy.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

People in long term relationships do have this blind trust. That even if there were economic collapse their partner would stay with them.

The truth is very different of course.

I've had two LTRs, 30 years and 15 years.

They both cheated and lied constantly.

The first I didn't notice, and remained nice and faithful (completely pointless).

The second I understood what was happening, and cheated and lied as well.

Second ltr is infinitely more equitable and satisfactory.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Again, I can not state I know if I do not know the circumstances or the true facts.

Well, if you can read you DO know that Giselle Bundchen posted videos of Joaquim Valente in 2021, long before the divorce and sang his praises then.

And suddenly got knee deep into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu- Lol.

You'd also know that she and Valente came out as dating DURING the Brady divorce.

And you know that she got pregnant from Valente VERY SHORTLY after the divorce.

You can also read online statements by Brady where he now says he himself believes they were dating before the divorce, and he would know.

Just now, Cameroni said:

Well, if you can read you DO know that Giselle Bundchen posted videos of Joaquim Valente in 2021, long before the divorce and sang his praises then.

And suddenly got knee deep into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu- Lol.

You'd also know that she and Valente came out as dating DURING the Brady divorce.

And you know that she got pregnant from Valente VERY SHORTLY after the divorce.

You can also read online statements by Brady where he now says he himself believes they were dating before the divorce, and he would know.

And?

She denies it, so why should I want to distrust her ?

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

If it bothers you so much, then don't participate in it.

Don't cheat and don't get involved with women who are attached.

You have no control over what other people do.

I've seen a bunch of guys posting ads on personal sites actively looking for discontented married women. This is creepy.

Conceptually I'm not really that bothered by cheating .As I view both men and women as descended from Bonobos who are so promiscuous it's scary, so clearly this is in our DNA. We can't really blame men or women for it much. Except to the extent that they can control those urges through conscious improvement.

Of course if it happens to you it's a different story altogether.

The real curse of cheating is that it creates even more cheating. After BKK girl cheated, I happily cheated on her for revenge. When you look into the abyss, you become the abyss. Nietzsche was right.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

And?

She denies it, so why should I want to distrust her ?

Because she's a woman?

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And?

She denies it, so why should I want to distrust her ?

Lol, perhaps because just because a criminal denies the crime, it doesn't mean he didn't do it?

She's clearly just trying to save her reputation as she's a celebrity.

Bundchen very clearly cheated on Brady. Even Brady says so himself now. Of course she has all the reasons of the guilty to deny it. But she cheated on Brady.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Lol, perhaps because just because a criminal denies the crime, it doesn't mean he didn't do it?

She's clearly just trying to save her reputation as she's a celebrity.

Bundchen very clearly cheated on Brady. Even Brady says so himself now. Of course she has all the reasons of the guilty to deny it. But she cheated on Brady.

Dysfunctional relationships and marriages and being unfaithful? Why should anyone care, it is over anyway?

And you want to believe, thats the case here, I do not need to believe anything and thats interesting, because thats part of this tread and how it have evolved. The psychology behind it.

What do we want to believe or not, and it is not about facts at all. Neither solid proofs.

Just now, Hummin said:

Dysfunctional relationships and marriages and being unfaithful? Why should anyone care, it is over anyway?

It'll tell you why. Because it's absolutely crucial to care about this. Because the orthodoxy is "If you're her best option - she won't cheat".

Now, this is what makes the Brady situation so very interesting. If we look at it. On the face of it Brady was BY FAR her better option. He's massively richer than Valente. He's arguably better looking than Valente. He's clearly fitter than even Valente is. It appears as if on every metric Brady has Valente beat.

However, if we look closely there are some areas where this is not the case. Valente is a highly successful Jiu-Jitsu expert. So in a real fight he'd beat Brady. He could protect Bundchen better.

What's more, he's Brazilian too. Like Bundchen. So by sheer cultural affinity with her, he has Brady beat. Valente can understand and interact with Bundchen far better than Brady ever could.

Also a sobering thought, which explains why so many farang find their Thai wife cheats with a Thai boyfriend.

Just now, Cameroni said:

tell you why. Because it's absolutely crucial to care about this. Because the orthodoxy is "If you're her best option - she won't cheat".

They always cheat, if given the opportunity.

Even if it ruins their life and future.

Just now, Cameroni said:

Now, this is makes the Brady situation so very interesting. If we look at it. On the face of it Brady was BY FAR her better option. He's massively richer than Valente. He's arguably better looking than Valente. He's clearly fitter than even Valente is. It appears as if on every metric Brady has Valente beat.

However, if we look closely there are some areas where this is not the case. Valente is a highly successful Jiu-Jitsu expert. So in a real fight he'd beat Brady. He could protect Bundchen better.

What's more, he's Brazilian too. Like Bundchen. So by sheer cultural affinity with her, he has Brady beat. Valente can understand and interact Bundchen far better than Brady ever could.

None of that has anything to do with working girl/client relationships in Thailand. As I said you have unique way of rationalizing yours and your paramours short comings. This tactic does not work at all.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

It'll tell you why. Because it's absolutely crucial to care about this. Because the orthodoxy is "If you're her best option - she won't cheat".

Now, this is makes the Brady situation so very interesting. If we look at it. On the face of it Brady was BY FAR her better option. He's massively richer than Valente. He's arguably better looking than Valente. He's clearly fitter than even Valente is. It appears as if on every metric Brady has Valente beat.

However, if we look closely there are some areas where this is not the case. Valente is a highly successful Jiu-Jitsu expert. So in a real fight he'd beat Brady. He could protect Bundchen better.

What's more, he's Brazilian too. Like Bundchen. So by sheer cultural affinity with her, he has Brady beat. Valente can understand and interact Bundchen far better than Brady ever could.

Also a sobering thought, which explains why so many farang find their Thai wife cheats with a Thai boyfriend.

Oh man, you got a twisted brain when it comes to relationships, sorry to say, but you have no idea how this comes out thinking on how a sustainable and healthy relationships works in real life.

What do you know how it is to be Tom Hardys partner, and not even considering thinking of why her did what she did for what reasons. She made a decision to leave him, and for what reasons, it is not interesting to me.

Why people do what they do? That’s a million dollar question!

Just now, BritManToo said:

They always cheat, if given the opportunity.

Even if it ruins their life and future.

I'm still not clear on this, to be honest. I thought the Brady situation proves that the orthodoxy is wrong, that even if a man IS her best option she may cheat.

However, if you look at it Valente did beat Brady on a few markers. Better fighter, could protect Bundchen better. Brazilian, so could understand her better.

Perhaps here too the Orthodoxy is right. Yes Brady was far richer, but after a certain point money loses importance. Even without Brady Bundchen is rich and doesn't want for nothing. So there's not much advantage in the money there.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Why people do what they do? That’s a million dollar question!

Yes, to be fair there could be reasons unknown. Was Brady a "good" person? Did he act arrogant or inconsiderate? But we have no evidence for this. By all accounts he's well liked by most.

With this Gisele Bundchen leaving Brady the answer to this question is of importance far beyond gossip magazines, it's important for all men really.

Because if Bundchen cheated on Brady before the divorce, that means even being rich, even being handsome, even being a celebrity...those things won't protect you from your partner cheating on you. Imagine that.

6 minutes ago, marin said:

None of that has anything to do with working girl/client relationships in Thailand.

True, I'm just interested in the Brady saga for intellectual reasons.

In any event Phuket Girl is not a sex worker. She works in a cafe, so your statement also has nothing to do with our relationship.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm still not clear on this, to be honest. I thought the Brady situation proves that the orthodoxy is wrong, that even if a man IS her best option she may cheat.

However, if you look at it Valente did beat Brady on a few markers. Better fighter, could protect Bundchen better. Brazilian, so could understand her better.

Perhaps here too the Orthodoxy is right. Yes Brady was far richer, but after a certain point money loses importance. Even without Brady Bundchen is rich and doesn't want for nothing. So there's not much advantage in the money there.

How do you know he is her best option?

And what we want to believe is the essens of this tread and everyone involved. And read Believe and Beliefs as in believing!

None of us knows what really going on between you two, not even you

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How do you know he is her best option?

Because Brady is handsome, fit, a sports celebrity and exceedingly rich?

He'd be the best option for 99% of women on the planet.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

None of knows what really going on between you two, not even you

There is great truth in this statement, my friend.

7 hours ago, Celsius said:

She is definitely a prostitute with diabetic feet. He paid, he got sex.

In what book is this not prostitution?

In the Book of Cameroni: Thou can pick up women thirty years younger than yourself and they will lovest you like no other. Choose one who usually takes money from her partners, who are forty years older, only to cheat on them and then move on to the next victim partner. Then massageth your ego with the fact that you are ten years younger than her usual victims partners. Payest her a salary, but DO NOT link it with the fact that the 24 year old is perfectly okay with having sex with obese and decrepit old men for even less money... Solace yourself by telling yourself that you are the one.

Therest spake the Book of Cameroni.

11 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

In the Book of Cameroni: Thou can pick up women thirty years younger than yourself and they will lovest you like no other. Choose one who usually takes money from her partners, who are forty years older, only to cheat on them and then move on to the next victim partner. Then massageth your ego with the fact that you are ten years younger than her usual victims partners. Payest her a salary, but DO NOT link it with the fact that the 24 year old is perfectly okay with having sex with obese and decrepit old men for even less money... Solace yourself by telling yourself that you are the one.

Therest spake the Book of Cameroni.

Don't think there's many women that care about the age or shape of the men they have sex with.

Sure, they'll all bang a young fit guy 1x or 2x, but it's not essential for LTRs.

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Payest her a salary

I'm not paying Phuket girl a "salary".

She gets an allowance.

You need to look up these term in a dictionary. Different things.

Just now, BritManToo said:

but it's not essential for LTRs.

Exactly right. Good looks are only essential for short term affairs, research has shown.

When women enter into LTRs they instead screen for provider capacity. Looks can still help. But not as essential then.

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The name of the cafe is confirmed.

That's great. Your Thai friend can call to see if she's working today. 😊