36 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many times will the liberals rush to judgement before any evidence is presented? Happens time and time again.

 

This insane hatred of conservatives leads the liberals to act recklessly. 

 

 

Show me the evidence you have that the boats are running drugs, and if so were destined for the US. Dead men don't get a chance to prove either.

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Ironic the "skip trial just execute" mob here that bayed for Trumps execution over the hoaxes, now suddenly discovered due process.🤣

You’ll have to post a quote from me calling for Trump to be executed, with or without a trial, for that post to be anything other than utter codswallop.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

... and there is no video evidence, audio evidence, any communication at all evidence or whistleblower evidence that a double tap order came from Hegseth.

wow you have inside knowledge,is hegseth personally sharing this intel with you? 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump obviously knows what the crime is, hence trying to blame the military.

 

Maybe the ‘Don’t follow illegal orders’ video had a valid point.

 

 

 

The lessons of General Karpinski, Colonel Ollie North and Lt. Calley indicate 1. Illegal orders are often issued. 2. Keep your mouth shut, don't get caught.

 

Illegal orders were refused on at least 3 occasions during 45; the assassination of President Assad, attacks on the Iranian Navy, and latterly, the order to shoot on protestors in Washington. Most of the time, the names of the officers refusing to execute such orders never surfaces. General Milley's did. And what was his reward for a distinguished career serving his country; to be threated with investigation, prison, execution, and he was literally made a non-person (the White House has a gallery of portraits of former Chiefs of Staff; his was removed as if it never happened. Thats the sort of stuff Mao did).

 

I suspect the lessons of Nuremburg are largely worthless, insomuch as providing a morality guide for the common soldier. In practice soldiers will follow orders, legal or illegal, because the Nuremburg Defence will never happen, as it won't get that far.

 

However, in contrast, compare Wesley Clark and General Mike Jackson and the Pristina Airport incident. Clark bypassed the chain of command to order Mike Jackson to seize the airport by force from the Russians who had arrived. Jackson met up with his Russian opposite number, and they drank whiskey together, to lubricate relations, ignoring Clark's orders to block the runway. Clark then radioed a young Captain James Blunt (future self deprecating pop singer), who's light tank was sitting on the runway, and ordered him to "destroy" the Russians. Blunt pretended not to understand, and went to Jackson, for confirmation, who contacted Clark, soldier to soldier to state "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you".

 

I suspect most soldiers will, when it comes to it, follow illegal orders. Some might follow orders enthusiastically, like North, others will take the view "Ours not toreason, but to do and die".

30 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

Show me the evidence you have that the boats are running drugs, and if so were destined for the US. Dead men don't get a chance to prove either.

 

Remember, Intelligence said so.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Alas you fail to recognise the importance of precedence. A "clear act of murder" you say. If it's so clear then you can obviously support this with evidence, not speculation, that Hegseth ordered a double tap. 

OK, so trolling it is. Got it.
And I stopped wasting my time putting in effort providing MAGA with evidence years ago. They always use one or more of the following:

(D) eny

(I) gnore

(L) ie

(D) eflect

(O) bfuscate

Now go take on the day. 😁

 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many times will the liberals rush to judgement before any evidence is presented? Happens time and time again.

 

This insane hatred of conservatives leads the liberals to act recklessly. 

 

 

Acting recklessly is blindly defending the indefensible.

26 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

I suspect most soldiers will, when it comes to it, follow illegal orders.

 

Soldiers will follow illegal orders. I think the warning was directed at the army top, who most likely will not follow illegal orders from the commander in chief

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Just wondering how the brass feels about the administration trying to blame their crime on the military instead of taking responsibility.

 

I'm still of the opinion there will be a coup.  

Won't Petey look cool in this?

 

2 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

Show me the evidence you have that the boats are running drugs, and if so were destined for the US. Dead men don't get a chance to prove either.

This thread was started with a single sentence and nothing else. And, yet all the dogs are barking. It would behove all concerned if we waited for final investigation. 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

This thread was started with a single sentence and nothing else. And, yet all the dogs are barking. It would behove all concerned if we waited for final investigation. 

Did you conveniently forget that this abomination….oops I meant administration fired all the legal staff for the military?the reason for this thread is our country is acting more like lawless pirates than an organized lawful professional military on YOUR guys watch.

"The Fog of War" invoked by SecDef Pete "Happy Hour" Hegseth.

 

A phrase normally associated with another SecDef, Robert McNamara.

 

2003 The Fog of War Official Trailer 1 HD Sony Pictures Classics

 

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Did you conveniently forget that this abomination….oops I meant administration fired all the legal staff for the military?the reason for this thread is our country is acting more like lawless pirates than an organized lawful professional military on YOUR guys watch.

You're all over the place today. 

Hmm

 

6 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Hmm

 

 

So anyone with a fully functioning brain can see what Hegseth and his evil minions did was illegal, unnecessary, and they should be brought up on charges.

All the legal/illegal stuff to one side......has anyone given a thought to the fact that 90% of drugs come across the southern border and most of the rest by air......?

 

If there is a genuine concern for the good health of US citizens shouldn't resources be focused there where the greatest impact we be?

 

 

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

So anyone with a fully functioning brain can see what Hegseth and his evil minions did was illegal, unnecessary, and they should be brought up on charges.

 

Historically, its those in uniform who suffer the consequences; plausible deniability was essentially invented by King Henry II ("Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Oh, I didn't mean kill him). In the aftermath, the 4 knights had to flee to Scotland, were excommunicated, then ordered to penitentiary pilgrimages to the Holy Land for 14 years. What that meant was to visit the holy places barefoot and in hair shirts and then to live alone for the rest of their lives on the Black Mountain near Antioch, spending their time in vigil, prayer, and lamentation. Sir Reginald and Hugh de Morville didn't last long; barely 3 years after the Archbishop's murder, they were dead, somewhere in the Holylands/a desert. William de Tracey spent the next 19 years in squalor, as a hermit in a cave (he only needed to do 14 years), before passing, but he might have gotten leprosy along the way. He might have tried to fake his death in Italy. Richard le Breton though managed to do 14 years of pilgramages, but somehow ended up retiring to the family pile in Jersey. I'm going to bet Ricky didn't feel any remorse, but Bill spent his last days in abject misery and sorrow.

When all else fails “I can’t recall” will always get you off the hook. 👍

The brass and most soldiers likely already despise Don and Pete. Both are cowards and traitors. Neither is competent, neither possesses discipline or honor. Neither is decent or loyal. Both cowards are already blaming the Admiral and it is likely the vast majority of Americans no longer have confidence in either of these fools. They should both resign, but the tragedy of that would be Vance. He is ill equipped to do anything other than run a gas station or a Walmart. Best to just let their term run out in an inglorious manner. 

 

Once the mid terms take place both will be powerless, which will be a great development for America. Both men are highly unstable and very dangerous. 

13 hours ago, Will B Good said:

All the legal/illegal stuff to one side......has anyone given a thought to the fact that 90% of drugs come across the southern border and most of the rest by air......?

 

If there is a genuine concern for the good health of US citizens shouldn't resources be focused there where the greatest impact we be?

 

 

How about if Americans stopped using the drugs? They will find their way in regardless, if there is crazy demand from a broken nation. Sorry to burst your little bubble of fiction, but most drugs from Venezuela end up in Europe. 

17 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

"The Fog of War" invoked by SecDef Pete "Happy Hour" Hegseth.

 

A phrase normally associated with another SecDef, Robert McNamara.

 

2003 The Fog of War Official Trailer 1 HD Sony Pictures Classics

 

Both are and were a disgrace. Except McNamara avoided the indignity of puking in the back of Ubers, and as least showed the courage to later admit maybe he made some mistakes. Pete is too small and too lacking in awareness or consciousness for that kind of self reflection, much like his political master. 

 

Pete is a total disgrace, and should resign before he gets thrown under the bus by Don. 

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

[Vance] is ill equipped to do anything other than run a gas station or a Walmart.

He could sell couches. I hear he's quite familiar with them.

27 minutes ago, harada said:

When all else fails “I can’t recall” will always get you off the hook. 👍

Not at The Hague.

21 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

 

Remember, Intelligence said so.

 

 

 

Powell was a highly respected man before joining the Bush Jr. folly. Pete was a lowly news host who had a propensity to get stone drunk and puke in the back of cars. So, not much of a fall from grace. He never had any. 

23 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If you go back and look at who was condemning Obama at the time for those strikes, it wasn't right wingers.

Most MAGA devotees are mostly incapable of embracing a thing called rational and independent thinking. Though some Republicans members of Congress are getting more courageous, thankfully. 

23 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Deflection from the fact that Obama took out civilians. This wasn't a crime as it was deemed collateral damage in a WAR on terrorism.

No, deflection from the fact that Don and Pete are criminals and cowards. You guys always revert to Biden or Obama. A rather astonishing lack of creativity. 

22 hours ago, BKKKevin said:

The moral bankruptcy of this administration, combined with cowardice and indecency compels them to abhor truth and always create a false narrative. It is just who they are. 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No, deflection from the fact that Don and Pete are criminals and cowards. You guys always revert to Biden or Obama. A rather astonishing lack of creativity. 

This isn't creativity it's comparison. You had no problem with Obama dropping missiles on civilians?

22 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

Show me the evidence you have that the boats are running drugs, and if so were destined for the US. Dead men don't get a chance to prove either.

Speedboat destroyed by U.S. Navy held 1,000 kilos of cocaine, Dominican Republic says

 

Authorities in the Dominican Republic said Sunday they have confiscated some of the cocaine transported by a speedboat that was destroyed recently by the U.S. Navy, in what the Caribbean nation called the first operation of its kind.

In a news conference, the Dominican Republic's National Directorate for Drug Control (DNCD) said it recovered 377 packages of cocaine from the boat which was allegedly carrying 1,000 kilograms, or more than 2,200 pounds, of the drug. The drugs were recovered after "an aerial military strike by the United States against a speedboat of narcoterrorists," the DNCD said in a statement.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boat-destroyed-us-navy-cocaine-dominican-republic/

 

From the above CBSnews link:

 

Venezuela also accused * the U.S. of seizing a fishing vessel in its exclusive economic zone and detaining nine fishermen for several hours.

 

* Venezuela accuses U.S. of seizing fishing boat in Caribbean amid standoff

 

Venezuela on Saturday accused the United States of allegedly seizing a fishing boat for eight hours in its exclusive economic zone, as the U.S. military patrols the Caribbean to target drug cartels.

 

The vessel carrying nine fishermen was "illegally and hostilely" detained on Friday by the USS Jason Dunham, a destroyer, the foreign ministry in Caracas said in a statement.

 

The ministry said the boat was manned by tuna fishermen, which was sailing 48 nautical miles northeast of La Blanquilla Island, which belongs to Venezuela.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuela-accuses-u-s-of-seizing-fishing-boat-in-caribbean/