1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I believe any sane being, seeing Ilhan and her brusbands pics would immediately come to the conclusion they are closely related, likely siblings.

 

Who is talking about the pic being court evidence? It serves as immediate proof on a discussion forum that they are very closely related, which should help in having a reasonable discussion on the whole sordid affair. But instead we have much spit and vinegar yet no logical argument or stance.

 

The angry guy above could not do it. Can you, Alan, tell whether you 

 

A) believe the guy is her brother or not, and

 

B)accept that he is obviously a close family member but they were not married.

 

None of the outraged posters have been able to state their stance, only that everyone else is stupid. Not helpful IMO

Here's a reading assignment for you. It's about something called the cross race effect. Of course if you have spent years living among Somalis, this wouldn't apply to you.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1917773/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19817152/

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

And that's why there's no real discussion possible. It is not proof, it can not serve as proof. Not even in a discussion forum.

Keep in mind that to a lot of people here in the forum it's obvious that the 2020 election was stolen and that Joe Biden conspired with his son and brother in shady business dealings in Ukraine and elsewhere.  Evidence and the lack of it notwithstanding.

23 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Whoop there it is, the internet meme. The last redoubt of the intellectually stunted.

 

How about the thousands of god-fearing,  hateful, white Americans? Do they get a free pass? Can they keep their nationality because they're Christians?

 

Oh my God, it's not an act is it? You really are that morally bankrupt.

OK, I have lived in the Somali community in MN, I think with my first hand experience with these I am qualified to say they have totally abused the welfare system in my state. You need to get your head out of that area where the sun doesn't shine. So you are fine with this group of people scamming the State out of what looks like possibly two billion dollars or more is the American dream? You are really confused.

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Which could it get him into a lot of trouble in the UK?

No, it would get him in trouble with the Somali community. They aren't exactly welcoming of LGBT people both culturally and as a facet of Islam.  So removing him from possible violence from Somalis in the UK and providing him with a cover story of marrying a woman in the US was logical, to save him from persecution and possible death.

56 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

No, it would get him in trouble with the Somali community. They aren't exactly welcoming of LGBT people both culturally and as a facet of Islam.  So removing him from possible violence from Somalis in the UK and providing him with a cover story of marrying a woman in the US was logical, to save him from persecution and possible death.

Glad to learn that you think the Somali community in Minnesota is more tolerant than the  Somali community in the UK.

Some posts with inflammatory trolling memes have been removed.

Headline from Minnesota Star Tribune:

 

New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history

June 23, 2019

A little long but the latest from the Washington Beacon:

https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t45/1/16/1f6a8.pngThe White House is now alleging that Congresswoman Ilhan Omar married her alleged gay brother committing immigration fraud

Border Czar Tom Homan confirmed Wednesday that he has initiated a formal review of public records and immigration files related to U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar (D-MN) amid longstanding allegations of marriage and immigration fraud.

Homan stated on Newsmax: "We're pulling the records, we're pulling the files... A fraud investigator [with Homeland Security Investigations] said there’s no doubt [fraud occurred]."

The core allegation asserts that Omar entered a sham civil marriage in 2009 to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi—a British citizen and an alleged gay sibling——for the purpose of securing his U.S. immigration benefits, such as lawful permanent residency. Omar’s family brought Elmi over from London in 2009 to try to extract him from a gay lifestyle, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

Elmi, now 40, earned a Ph.D. from the University of Bristol and has worked as a research assistant in fields like gender studies and queer theory.

Omar, who arrived in the U.S. as a refugee in 1995 and naturalized as a citizen in 2000, was already a U.S. citizen at the time of the marriage.

According to Somali community sources cited in 2020 Daily Mail reporting and 2025 analyses by outlets like the Washington Free Beacon, the marriage was intended to expedite Elmi's U.S. entry and residency. As a U.S. citizen's spouse, Elmi would qualify for a faster path to permanent residency (typically three years post-marriage) compared to a sibling petition (up to five years or more, with no guarantee).

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Dan747 said:

Source: Washington Free Beacon

A little long?

 

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11 hours ago, impulse said:

Of course the Biden FEC dismissed the complaint.  She's a Dem insider and anti Trump.  That complaint wasn't going anywhere.

FEC rejects campaign finance complaint against Rep. Omar

 

January 15, 2022 -- MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The Federal Election Commission has tossed out a 2019 complaint against Rep. Ilhan Omar from a conservative group alleging the Minnesota Democrat illegally spent campaign funds on her now-husband’s political consulting firm.

 

In a unanimous decision, the commission found there was no reason to believe Omar’s campaign “knowingly and willfully violated” federal law or regulations by either “converting campaign funds to personal use” or “improperly reporting payee information.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/elections-minnesota-campaigns-virginia-ilhan-omar-dc64792c64bc5c7bf9c9b4a2757726de

 

AI via Gemini:

 

As of January 15, 2022, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) had a full six-member commission. The commissioners at that time were: 
Shana M. Broussard (Democrat): Chair in 2021.
Allen Dickerson (Republican) Chairman in 2022.
Sean J. Cooksey (Republican).
James E. "Trey" Trainor III (Republican).
Ellen L. Weintraub (Democrat).
Steven T. Walther (Independent). 

38 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

A little long?

And a little devastating?

 

I like this part

"For naturalized citizens like Omar, proven willful misrepresentation during or after naturalization can lead to denaturalization under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA § 340(a)), requiring "clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence" in federal court of deliberate concealment of material facts.

DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin emphasized on December 11, 2025: "DHS takes any and all marriage fraud allegations very seriously... Do not engage in marriage fraud or you will face the consequences of American justice, including severe fines, arrest, jail time, and deportation."

 

YIKES🤣 starting to look theres a very real chance she will be returned to sender. Im sure her business genius farang husband will love it in Somalia. Is it haram to make a vineyard anyone know😅 ah the good news rolling in daily is almost too much to bear. 

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And a little devastating?

Anything new? Maybe wait to see if Homan's crack * investigator comes up with anything not already in the Star tribune.

 

* OOPS as in top notch, not cocaine.

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23 hours ago, connda said:

You should offer her legal counsel.    There are allegations.  Is there proof?  That's debatable. Where this goes will probably depend on Tom Homan's investigation.  

 

 

Maybe bung him 50K to make it go away?

16 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

This is the SOP for threads of this nature.

 

 

Yes...so it seems.....but don't say so.

23 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

A+ for effort.  You've outdone yourself  here.

 

Too kind.

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

FEC rejects campaign finance complaint against Rep. Omar

 

January 15, 2022 -- MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The Federal Election Commission has tossed out a 2019 complaint against Rep. Ilhan Omar from a conservative group alleging the Minnesota Democrat illegally spent campaign funds on her now-husband’s political consulting firm.

 

In a unanimous decision, the commission found there was no reason to believe Omar’s campaign “knowingly and willfully violated” federal law or regulations by either “converting campaign funds to personal use” or “improperly reporting payee information.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/elections-minnesota-campaigns-virginia-ilhan-omar-dc64792c64bc5c7bf9c9b4a2757726de

 

AI via Gemini:

 

As of January 15, 2022, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) had a full six-member commission. The commissioners at that time were: 
Shana M. Broussard (Democrat): Chair in 2021.
Allen Dickerson (Republican) Chairman in 2022.
Sean J. Cooksey (Republican).
James E. "Trey" Trainor III (Republican).
Ellen L. Weintraub (Democrat).
Steven T. Walther (Independent). 

 

Good info, but a cynical person would ask how it's okay for her to pay the guy $2.7M (or more) of her donors' money, then marry into that very money.  That would sure 'splain how she's getting mysteriously wealthy.

 

As far as Repubs on the FEC, a cynical person would suspect they have their own "mysterious wealth" plans and there's some quid pro quo going on.  We won't look too deep into yours if you don't look too deep into ours. 

 

Not to mention that they're probably afraid to be labeled "racist" all over the MSM if they look into a black congress lady's jammies.

 

 

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Good info, but a cynical person would ask how it's okay for her to pay the guy $2.7M (or more) of her donors' money, then marry into that very money.  That would sure 'splain how she's getting mysteriously wealthy.

 

As far as Repubs on the FEC, a cynical person would suspect they have their own "mysterious wealth" plans and there's some quid pro quo going on.  We won't look too deep into yours if you don't look too deep into ours.

 

May i suggest that cynical person to stop being cynical and enjoy life.

6 hours ago, Dan747 said:

Homan stated on Newsmax: "We're pulling the records, we're pulling the files.

In Somalia?

21 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She married her brother so he could get a green card or US citizenship. It is textbook immigration fraud. 

She did what so many women have done--she married her brother so he could live in the closet. Once married, that has ZERO to do with immigration fraud.

8 hours ago, Dan747 said:

A little long but the latest from the Washington Beacon:

https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t45/1/16/1f6a8.pngThe White House is now alleging that Congresswoman Ilhan Omar married her alleged gay brother committing immigration fraud

Border Czar Tom Homan confirmed Wednesday that he has initiated a formal review of public records and immigration files related to U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar (D-MN) amid longstanding allegations of marriage and immigration fraud.

Homan stated on Newsmax: "We're pulling the records, we're pulling the files... A fraud investigator [with Homeland Security Investigations] said there’s no doubt [fraud occurred]."

The core allegation asserts that Omar entered a sham civil marriage in 2009 to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi—a British citizen and an alleged gay sibling——for the purpose of securing his U.S. immigration benefits, such as lawful permanent residency. Omar’s family brought Elmi over from London in 2009 to try to extract him from a gay lifestyle, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

Elmi, now 40, earned a Ph.D. from the University of Bristol and has worked as a research assistant in fields like gender studies and queer theory.

Omar, who arrived in the U.S. as a refugee in 1995 and naturalized as a citizen in 2000, was already a U.S. citizen at the time of the marriage.

According to Somali community sources cited in 2020 Daily Mail reporting and 2025 analyses by outlets like the Washington Free Beacon, the marriage was intended to expedite Elmi's U.S. entry and residency. As a U.S. citizen's spouse, Elmi would qualify for a faster path to permanent residency (typically three years post-marriage) compared to a sibling petition (up to five years or more, with no guarantee).

 

 

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Are you hoping & Praying she dotted all the I's & Crossed the T's?

 

Homan: He continued, “Pulling the records now, pulling the files, and we’re looking at it. But this fraud investigator, who I know personally, one of the best fraud investigators in HSI, Homeland Security Investigations, said there’s no doubt he’d review the file. So, I’m running that down this week as a matter of fact, and we’ll see.”

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ilhan-omar-under-investigation-for-immigration-fraud-trump-border-czar-11197141

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And a little devastating?

 

I like this part

"For naturalized citizens like Omar, proven willful misrepresentation during or after naturalization can lead to denaturalization under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA § 340(a)), requiring "clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence" in federal court of deliberate concealment of material facts.

DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin emphasized on December 11, 2025: "DHS takes any and all marriage fraud allegations very seriously... Do not engage in marriage fraud or you will face the consequences of American justice, including severe fines, arrest, jail time, and deportation."

 

YIKES🤣 starting to look theres a very real chance she will be returned to sender. Im sure her business genius farang husband will love it in Somalia. Is it haram to make a vineyard anyone know😅 ah the good news rolling in daily is almost too much to bear. 

Good news, If True! And ...

 

 google ai overview:

No, there's generally no statute of limitations for revoking naturalization under INA § 340(a) for illegal procurement or fraud/willful misrepresentation; the government can initiate denaturalization proceedings years or decades later if it discovers material fraud or concealment that led to citizenship, though proving "willfulness" and materiality remains key.While some procedural limits exist (like a 2-year window to reopen administrative naturalization cases), court-ordered denaturalization for fraud has no such time bar, focusing on whether the fraud was material to the initial grant of citizenship.

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, riclag said:

Good news, If True! And ...

 

 google ai overview:

No, there's generally no statute of limitations for revoking naturalization under INA § 340(a) for illegal procurement or fraud/willful misrepresentation; the government can initiate denaturalization proceedings years or decades later if it discovers material fraud or concealment that led to citizenship, though proving "willfulness" and materiality remains key.While some procedural limits exist (like a 2-year window to reopen administrative naturalization cases), court-ordered denaturalization for fraud has no such time bar, focusing on whether the fraud was material to the initial grant of citizenship.

 

 

 

All not applicable.

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

All not applicable.

Mate, the left can resurrect a decades old misdemeanor by linking it to an unknown & un-named crime. This novel legal moonshot to jack up a long expired misdemeanor into a felony was conjured up to destroy the man they couldn't beat in a fair election. 

 

Yet now an immigration fraudster that married her brother to get him citizenship, who peddles hatred and anti American sentiments on a daily basis and leads a diaspora that stole up to a billion $$ can't face the music?

 

 Its just the law remember. Everyone is equal under it. Cant do the time dont fo the bla bla bla.....

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Mate, the left can resurrect a decades old misdemeanor by linking it to an unknown & un-named crime. This novel legal moonshot to jack up a long expired misdemeanor into a felony was conjured up to destroy the man they couldn't beat in a fair election. 

 

Yet now an immigration fraudster that married her brother to get him citizenship, who peddles hatred and anti American sentiments on a daily basis and leads a diaspora that stole up to a billion $$ can't face the music?

 

 Its just the law remember. Everyone is equal under it. Cant do the time dont fo the bla bla bla.....

The claim in the post i quoted tefers to immigration fraud on her immigration. Easy question, is that applicable yes or no? Did she commit fraud on her immigration application?

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Homan: He continued, “Pulling the records now, pulling the files, and we’re looking at it. But this fraud investigator, who I know personally, one of the best fraud investigators in HSI, Homeland Security Investigations, said there’s no doubt he’d review the file. So, I’m running that down this week as a matter of fact, and we’ll see.”

According to the US Department of State's Reciprocity Schedule for Somalia,

[t]here continues to be no recognized competent civil authority to issue civil documents.

 

The Government of Somalia ceased to exist in December of 1990, and the country underwent a destructive and brutal civil war, in the course of which most records were destroyed. Those few records not destroyed are in the hands of private individuals or are otherwise not retrievable. (US n.d.a)

 

https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/country-information/rir/Pages/index.aspx?doc=458536#:~:text=[t]here continues to be,which most records were destroyed.

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The claim in the post i quoted tefers to immigration fraud on her immigration. Easy question, is that applicable yes or no? Did she commit fraud on her immigration application?

You need to read it again then, as that is not what was written.

 

"For naturalized citizens like Omar, proven willful misrepresentation during or AFTER naturalization can lead to denaturalization under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA § 340(a)), requiring "clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence" in federal court of deliberate concealment of material facts.

 

DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin emphasized on December 11, 2025: "DHS takes any and all marriage fraud allegations very seriously... Do not engage in marriage fraud or you will face the consequences of American justice, including severe fines, arrest, jail time, and deportation."

 

So if Ilhan or her father had irregularites on their asylum application or behaved badly after that they can be de-naturalized. They will be going over Ilhans father application with a microscope. 

21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The claim in the post i quoted tefers to immigration fraud on her immigration. Easy question, is that applicable yes or no? Did she commit fraud on her immigration application?

AI Gemini:

 

Yes, a grand jury indictment is required for federal criminal immigration fraud charges, provided the offense is classified as a felony, which most are. This is a requirement under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution for all federal felony offenses, unless the defendant waives that right. 

Key points regarding this requirement:
Federal Requirement: The Fifth Amendment mandates that no person can be held to answer for a federal felony offense without a grand jury indictment.

 

Felony Classification: Most criminal immigration fraud offenses, such as those related to procuring naturalization documents or other immigration benefits (e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 1425 violations), are serious federal felonies and subject to this rule.
 

12 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

So if Ilhan or her father had irregularites on their asylum application or behaved badly after that they can be de-naturalized.

Whadaya mean IF?

 

Homan stated on Newsmax: "We're pulling the records, we're pulling the files... A fraud investigator [with Homeland Security Investigations] said there’s no doubt [fraud occurred]."

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Whadaya mean IF?

 

Homan stated on Newsmax: "We're pulling the records, we're pulling the files... A fraud investigator [with Homeland Security Investigations] said there’s no doubt [fraud occurred]."

Most of the lefties on this thread are very angry at the suggestion she committed fraud. How can such cognitive dissonance happen?