Just now, BLMFem said:

I have read that they did not have authority to order her out of the vehicle as they did not suspect her to be an illegal immigrant.

Grok (AI):

In normal circumstances, that is absolutely true. ICE agents cannot just rock up to a car and order the occupants to exit.

However;

In the case where a person is hindering, disrupting, or interfering with the agents in the course of their lawful duties, they DO have the power to arrest, detain, and order people out of vehicles. And that was the situation here. The ICE guys did not choose a random car and decide to hassle the occupants. Rather, the car's occupants decided to hassle ICE agents and interfere with their work. So, they were liable to arrest.

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Have you seen this angle?

Yes, it does seem like the vehicle and the shooter is in contact. Have you seen it from other angles where it looks like he's leaning over the hood?

Beside, this angle also shows him shooting her dead at a point when he's clearly not longer in any danger.

4 hours ago, riclag said:

That dem state is completely off the charts. There is no semblance of fairness.

One hour after the shooting the politicians already predetermined the investigation,Murder.

They do it all the time. Without exception, the evidence that comes out, usually within hours of the various incidents that have taken place, proves that the lefties reaction is always wrong.

5 minutes ago, rasg said:

Watch the body cam footage that the mainstream won't show

Go ahead and link it, then!

Doodle-doo, must fly.

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

It turns out the killer is hard-core MAGA. What an utter surprise!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15449879/federal-agents-guns-swarm-jonathan-ross-home-hiding-minneapolis.html

"Neighbors told the Daily Mail that Ross was a hardcore MAGA supporter. Another neighbor told the Daily Mail that until recently Ross had been flying pro-Trump flags and a 'Don't Tread On Me' Gadsden Flag that is an emblem of the Make America Great Again movement. There's now no sign of Ross, his wife, or the flags."

Thank you for that hard hitting news.

Here's another one. USN ships fly the Union Jack proudly on the bow while inport.

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

Go ahead and link it, then!

Doodle-doo, must fly.

https://alphanews.org/breaking-alpha-news-obtains-new-footage-of-ice-involved-shooting-in-minneapolis/

https://alphanews.org/report-woman-killed-by-ice-agent-was-member-of-ice-watch-group-working-to-disrupt-immigration-arrests/

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Go ahead and link it, then!

Doodle-doo, must fly.

The ICE agent shot the lady in the head through the open door window, ie he was out of the path of the vehicle. Are these just untrained citizens in uniforms?

The major issue I see here is the huge grey area...

We have activists attempting to interfere with police work (ICE).

We have ICE trying to do their job.

We have an already 'escalated' sutuatation and thats why there are so many camera angles.

We have the activists 'playing calm' but in truth triggering and playing the authorities deliberately for a reaction and someting 'newsworthy' - tragically they got more than they bargained for.

We have an ICE officer who did not 'need' to shoot into the car - his reaction was clearly a huge over reaction.

We had an activist attempting to flee and clearly ignore direct and very clear instructions (her window was also open - there is not doubt that she could not here the ICE officers instruction - she chose to ignore it and fleed.

I don't believe she [the activist] tried to run over the ice agent - she was in a heated situation, high adrenaline, its unlikely she was taking every detail of her surroundings in - so when she accelerated away (turning right) its unlikely she saw the ICE officer as she was looking a the other officer (SWAT ?) to her left.

Is this an unlawful killing - thats they grey area, but I don't think it is.

Is this an unnecessary killing - 100% the ICE officer didn't even need to draw his weapon, he escalated.

Did the activist need to drive away - 100% NOT - she also escalated.

Opinions on this, for the most part will be determined by which side of the political fence on which you sit.

For the independent observer - we see an person not responding to Police commands and tying to drive off. We see a police officer drawing a gun and firing at her.

What does the independent (non USA) observer - see ?? - insanity from both activist and law enforcement - it kind of sums up the chaos of the USA when tensions are escalated.

15 hours ago, transam said:

But, she didn't attack anybody.........🤫

I agree she didn't attack anybody!!

I didn't say she did!

8 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

The ICE agent shot the lady in the head through the open door window, ie he was out of the path of the vehicle. Are these just untrained citizens in uniforms?

Hardly untrained....

Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who fatally shot Renee Nicole Good on January 7, 2026, in Minneapolis, has a extensive background in military service and federal law enforcement, spanning nearly two decades.

• Served in the Indiana National Guard (138th Signal Battalion).

• Deployed to Iraq from November 2004 to November 2005 as a machine gunner on a combat patrol/gun truck and part of logistical supply teams in high-risk areas.

• Earned awards including the Army Commendation Medal, Army Good Conduct Medal, Global War on Terrorism Medal, and Iraq Campaign Medal.

Law Enforcement Career

• Joined U.S. Border Patrol in 2007 after college, serving until 2015 primarily in the El Paso, Texas sector (covering Texas/New Mexico border).

  • Roles included patrolling, tracking border crossers, field intelligence (focusing on cartels, drug/human smuggling), and gathering/analyzing intel.

  • Learned Spanish at the academy.

• Transferred to ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) in 2015 as a deportation officer (Enforcement and Removal Operations division), based in Minnesota (Twin Cities area).

  • Assigned to fugitive operations, targeting "higher-value" arrests (e.g., criminals/priority removals).

  • Member of ICE's Special Response Team (SRT, akin to SWAT), involving advanced tactics, breaching, perimeter control, and multi-agency coordination (including FBI).

  • Also served as a firearms instructor, active shooter instructor, and expert marksman on issued weapons.

  • Over 10 years with ICE by 2026; described by officials as "experienced" and selected for high-risk SRT duties.

...and now the narrative is changing.

Mayor Frey now says that Agent Ross was, in fact, hit by Good's car, but not injured seriously enough to say he was injured.

NPR saying, ridiculously, that Agent Ross was "pushed backwards" by the car, but wasn't hit. WTF?

Respected Senator Adam Schiff proclaimed that Good was not in any way involved in protests, and was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time...

And finally, ICE activity in Minneapolis has netted dozens of criminals and hard core bad guys, including those convicted of murder, crimes against children, rape, etc. THESE are the people that the protesters are defending...

I think this covers it...........🤫

36 minutes ago, transam said:

I think this covers it...........🤫

Typical of the left; Get their news, as well as take their cues and memes from a comedian.

Thanks.

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Typical of the left; Get their news, as well as take their cues and memes from a comedian.

Thanks.

Since the beginning joker 🃏 actors and comedians have been the filter for communities that have been silenced by power, be it kings or dictators to religion.

They have in many ways formed existence as we se it today.

Either you like it or not they are and have higher level of treats that it is necessary to vent people's minds in a way it is acting like a relief, because they put everything people think in to words in a pleasurable way because they can.

Not sure you bother to read, but bottom line comedians are actually smart people, much smarter than average people

Well this a sample of articles out there about comedians. Enjoy

Research indicates that professional comedians often possess unique psychological profiles characterized by high intelligence and specific emotional traits, though they generally score lower in conscientiousness than the average person. 

Higher Intelligence (IQ)

• Cognitive Complexity: Producing humor requires "intellectual agility" to process and create patterns, detect incongruities, and think abstractly. Studies of professional comedians have found average IQ scores around 138, significantly higher than the general population average of 100.

• Verbal Intelligence: Comedians typically excel in verbal intelligence, which is essential for crafting punchlines and engaging in the complex wordplay necessary for successful stand-up.

• Adaptive Intelligence: High intelligence allows comedians to "fine-tune" their acts in real-time, reading and responding to diverse audience reactions. 

Higher Empathy and Emotional Intelligence 

• Social Sensitivity: Successful comedy relies on high emotional intelligence (EQ). Comedians must be sensitive to social cues to understand what an audience is feeling and how their material is being perceived.

• Cognitive Empathy: Research links "positive humor styles" with cognitive empathy—the ability to understand another person's perspective. This perspective-taking is crucial for creating relatable content that "builds bridges" with an audience.

• Processing Dark Humor: Interestingly, those who appreciate or produce dark humor often show higher emotional stability and cognitive flexibility, as it requires juggling opposing emotions and recognizing deep layers of meaning. 

Conscientiousness and "Conscience"

• Lower Trait Conscientiousness: Contrary to being highly "conscientious" in a personality sense (organized/disciplined), studies consistently find that professional comedians score lower in conscientiousness than average. They are often characterized by "impulsive non-conformity," which helps them think "outside the box".

• "Sarcasm with a Conscience": While they may lack traditional discipline, comedians often emphasize a different kind of conscience—using humor as a tool for non-threatening honesty and sharing vulnerability.

• Professionalism vs. Personality: Off-stage, successful comedians must develop a "business conscience" (reliability and courtesy) to work with club managers and agents, even if their natural personality is more impulsive. 

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Since the beginning joker 🃏 actors and comedians have been the filter for communities that have been silenced by power, be it kings or dictators to religion.

They have in many ways formed existence as we se it today.

Either you like it or not they are and have higher level of treats that it is necessary to vent people's minds in a way it is acting like a relief, because they put everything people think in to words in a pleasurable way because they can.

Not sure you bother to read, but bottom line comedians are actually smart people, much smarter than average people

Well this a sample of articles out there about comedians. Enjoy

Research indicates that professional comedians often possess unique psychological profiles characterized by high intelligence and specific emotional traits, though they generally score lower in conscientiousness than the average person. 

Higher Intelligence (IQ)

• Cognitive Complexity: Producing humor requires "intellectual agility" to process and create patterns, detect incongruities, and think abstractly. Studies of professional comedians have found average IQ scores around 138, significantly higher than the general population average of 100.

• Verbal Intelligence: Comedians typically excel in verbal intelligence, which is essential for crafting punchlines and engaging in the complex wordplay necessary for successful stand-up.

• Adaptive Intelligence: High intelligence allows comedians to "fine-tune" their acts in real-time, reading and responding to diverse audience reactions. 

Higher Empathy and Emotional Intelligence 

• Social Sensitivity: Successful comedy relies on high emotional intelligence (EQ). Comedians must be sensitive to social cues to understand what an audience is feeling and how their material is being perceived.

• Cognitive Empathy: Research links "positive humor styles" with cognitive empathy—the ability to understand another person's perspective. This perspective-taking is crucial for creating relatable content that "builds bridges" with an audience.

• Processing Dark Humor: Interestingly, those who appreciate or produce dark humor often show higher emotional stability and cognitive flexibility, as it requires juggling opposing emotions and recognizing deep layers of meaning. 

Conscientiousness and "Conscience"

• Lower Trait Conscientiousness: Contrary to being highly "conscientious" in a personality sense (organized/disciplined), studies consistently find that professional comedians score lower in conscientiousness than average. They are often characterized by "impulsive non-conformity," which helps them think "outside the box".

• "Sarcasm with a Conscience": While they may lack traditional discipline, comedians often emphasize a different kind of conscience—using humor as a tool for non-threatening honesty and sharing vulnerability.

• Professionalism vs. Personality: Off-stage, successful comedians must develop a "business conscience" (reliability and courtesy) to work with club managers and agents, even if their natural personality is more impulsive. 

Yes, they (or more accurately, their joke writers) are often able to ignore inconvenient but relative facts and twist the story to fit their particular political mission. In a way, they are similar to news anchors, to be fair. They don't actually do any research or investigation, they just mouth the words that others feed to them.

"A mom, who just dropped her kid off at school" and similar horse hockey.

This is lazy thinking. You can do better.

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, they (or more accurately, their joke writers) are often able to ignore inconvenient but relative facts and twist the story to fit their particular political mission. In a way, they are similar to news anchors, to be fair. They don't actually do any research or investigation, they just mouth the words that others feed to them.

"A mom, who just dropped her kid off at school" and similar horse hockey.

This is lazy thinking. You can do better.

I have yo give you right about the modern comedians, they being watered out by a panel of writers. Unfortunately true

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The major issue I see here is the huge grey area...

We have activists attempting to interfere with police work (ICE).

We have ICE trying to do their job.

We have an already 'escalated' sutuatation and thats why there are so many camera angles.

We have the activists 'playing calm' but in truth triggering and playing the authorities deliberately for a reaction and someting 'newsworthy' - tragically they got more than they bargained for.

We have an ICE officer who did not 'need' to shoot into the car - his reaction was clearly a huge over reaction.

We had an activist attempting to flee and clearly ignore direct and very clear instructions (her window was also open - there is not doubt that she could not here the ICE officers instruction - she chose to ignore it and fleed.

I don't believe she [the activist] tried to run over the ice agent - she was in a heated situation, high adrenaline, its unlikely she was taking every detail of her surroundings in - so when she accelerated away (turning right) its unlikely she saw the ICE officer as she was looking a the other officer (SWAT ?) to her left.

Is this an unlawful killing - thats they grey area, but I don't think it is.

Is this an unnecessary killing - 100% the ICE officer didn't even need to draw his weapon, he escalated.

Did the activist need to drive away - 100% NOT - she also escalated.

Opinions on this, for the most part will be determined by which side of the political fence on which you sit.

For the independent observer - we see an person not responding to Police commands and tying to drive off. We see a police officer drawing a gun and firing at her.

What does the independent (non USA) observer - see ?? - insanity from both activist and law enforcement - it kind of sums up the chaos of the USA when tensions are escalated.

Good points. I also ask where were these very organized agitators when Obama for EIGHT YEARS deported millions of illegal immigrants? ICE agents seemed to never be followed, weren't having pics taken of them daily etc. but they were out in full force sending away upwards of 3 million illegals! This wasn't 100 years ago this was very recent past. Obama was in fact deporter in chief. The left was silent.

23 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"A mom, who just dropped her kid off at school" and similar horse hockey.

She was there with a purpose. Now cue comments saying im justifying her death or im a maga etc bla bla bla. Boring shhhhh.

Now does it mean she deserved to be shot. No. But as @Patong2021 put it....trying to pass her off as a sweet loveable smiling soccer mom is simply disingenuous. This is a complex situation with many many factors involved.

You want to get deep into it. Neither of them should have been there that day.

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

...and now the narrative is changing.

Mayor Frey now says that Agent Ross was, in fact, hit by Good's car, but not injured seriously enough to say he was injured.

NPR saying, ridiculously, that Agent Ross was "pushed backwards" by the car, but wasn't hit. WTF?

Respected Senator Adam Schiff proclaimed that Good was not in any way involved in protests, and was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time...

And finally, ICE activity in Minneapolis has netted dozens of criminals and hard core bad guys, including those convicted of murder, crimes against children, rape, etc. THESE are the people that the protesters are defending...

I know... imagine if CNN did even a two minute piece on showing some of the scum of the universe that been deported just in Minnesota alone! How can ANY news outlet not show this side of deportations?? I mean this is completely ABSENT news on legacy media and others.

Take a step back and consider the vehicle that the deceased was driving: An extra large gas guzzling SUV. How interesting that a described "social activist" would pick that vehicle. Aren't they supposed to be driving vehicles like a Prius?

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

THESE are the people that the protesters are defending..

Thank you. Worth looking at again, and again. This is what the deceased wanted to keep in her city and state.

12 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

The ICE agent shot the lady in the head through the open door window, ie he was out of the path of the vehicle. Are these just untrained citizens in uniforms?

It is quite likely that many of them are former members of groups like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Boogaloo Boys etc.

Groups that seem to have dropped off the face of the earth after the ICE recruitment mega boost.

8 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

It is quite likely that many of them are former members of groups like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Boogaloo Boys etc.

Groups that seem to have dropped off the face of the earth after the ICE recruitment mega boost.

The real story? ICE's recruitment is a political sledgehammer for mass deportations, drawing from the MAGA base and military — not a secret pipeline for pardoned insurrectionists.

If there were actual ex-Proud Boys in badges smashing windows and dragging people, we'd have whistleblowers, lawsuits, and headlines by now. Instead, we've got vibes-based paranoia. Try facts next time.

13 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

It is quite likely that many of them are former members of groups like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Boogaloo Boys etc.

Groups that seem to have dropped off the face of the earth after the ICE recruitment mega boost.

Only in your fevered dreams.

Now, how about a word of praise for ICE in getting so many disgusting lowlife criminals off the streets? Seems like the local police weren't doing their job very well.

From the videos and I have seen all put out so far I think, the ICE officer shot her in the head from the door window - that sure doesn't sound like his life was in danger IMHO.

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

...and now the narrative is changing.

Mayor Frey now says that Agent Ross was, in fact, hit by Good's car, but not injured seriously enough to say he was injured.

NPR saying, ridiculously, that Agent Ross was "pushed backwards" by the car, but wasn't hit. WTF?

Respected Senator Adam Schiff proclaimed that Good was not in any way involved in protests, and was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time...

And finally, ICE activity in Minneapolis has netted dozens of criminals and hard core bad guys, including those convicted of murder, crimes against children, rape, etc. THESE are the people that the protesters are defending...

No, THESE are NOT the people that the protesters are defending. Who they are defending are ordinary men and women, many of whom are US citizens, from a group of law enforcement personnel with very limited authority and powers. This group (ICE) often acts in the manner of a brutal secret police force, complete with face masks and no IDs, and with impunity and immunity.

1 hour ago, alex8912 said:

Good points. I also ask where were these very organized agitators when Obama for EIGHT YEARS deported millions of illegal immigrants? ICE agents seemed to never be followed, weren't having pics taken of them daily etc. but they were out in full force sending away upwards of 3 million illegals! This wasn't 100 years ago this was very recent past. Obama was in fact deporter in chief. The left was silent.

Here? 😀

Immigration Advocates Rally to Curb Deportations

A march and rally to the White House was one of several events held in different parts of the country to demand that Obama curb deportations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/immigration-advocates-rally-curb-deportations-n72796

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Only in your fevered dreams.

Now, how about a word of praise for ICE in getting so many disgusting lowlife criminals off the streets? Seems like the local police weren't doing their job very well.

Only in my fevered dreams? Are you sure about that? Have you seen the recruitment stuff DHS is posting? 😆

Well done to the men and women that are working for ICE and are not acting as goons, but rather are doing their jobs professionally.

Don't think you should give local law enforcement such a hard time given the enormous disparity in numbers of personnel and resources.

31 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Only in my fevered dreams? Are you sure about that? Have you seen the recruitment stuff DHS is posting? 😆

Well done to the men and women that are working for ICE and are not acting as goons, but rather are doing their jobs professionally.

Don't think you should give local law enforcement such a hard time given the enormous disparity in numbers of personnel and resources.

Local law enforcement is having their hands tied by morons like Mayor Frey, who in between choking down mouthsful of insipid Somali slop has forbidden them from cooperating with Federal agencies.

15 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Local law enforcement is having their hands tied by morons like Mayor Frey, who in between choking down mouthsful of insipid Somali slop has forbidden them from cooperating with Federal agencies.

That's not true.

Grok (AI):