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  • Wydahoan
    Wydahoan

    The I love Trump brigade is very silent on this topic.

  • HappyExpat57
    HappyExpat57

    And it doesn't matter what nationality or political persuasion the deceased were, they were needlessly murdered.

  • Alan Zweibel
    Alan Zweibel

    I suppose that the argument will be made that these people were defending Maduro. But given that various military bases were bombed, I doubt that's entirely true. And given that Maduro was abducted on

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19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And you man wanted to shut down the support? All of you guys debated on this forum it was not your war. And now?

Anyway, there is rumors Biden did approve strikes with Us made weapons before

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/biden-ukraine-weapons-strike-russia-00160731

However

May 3, 2024

UK gives Ukraine green light to use British weapons inside Russia

Ukraine can use British-supplied weapons to strike targets inside Russia, UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron stated during a May 2 visit to Kyiv. “Ukraine has that right,” Cameron told Reuters. “Just as Russia is striking inside Ukraine, you can quite understand why Ukraine feels the need to make sure it’s defending itself.”

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/uk-gives-ukraine-green-light-to-use-british-weapons-inside-russia/

Merz Gives Ukraine Green Light to Strike Deep Inside Russia

26. mai 2568 BE — German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said Ukraine has been given permission to use weapons supplied by its allies to launch strikes deep inside Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-26/merz-gives-ukraine-the-green-light-to-strike-deep-inside-russia

Don't be surprised when the manufacturing facitilities and storage centers including military bases which maintain these "British weapons" in the UK are hit with Oreshnik missiles or other hypersonic missiles.
Russians: Slow to bridle, fast to ride. Eventually they stop showing restrain, which the UK and NATO just see a "weakness," take the gloves off, and hit back in spades.
It's coming. Sadly. But in my humble opinion Europe and the EU actually want a hot war. Then they can get "Daddy" Trump to commit boots on the ground in Europe and they'll all be happy again. But? That will be the start of World War 3. And best of luck conscripting Western Gen-Zs and Gen-Alphas to go fight and die in wars that make billionaires more billions as the cannon fodder (them) are expendable.

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Don't be surprised when the manufacturing facitilities and storage centers including military bases which maintain these "British weapons" in the UK are hit with Oreshnik missiles or other hypersonic missiles.
Russians: Slow to bridle, fast to ride. Eventually they stop showing restrain, which the UK and NATO just see a "weakness," take the gloves off, and hit back in spades.
It's coming. Sadly. But in my humble opinion Europe and the EU actually want a hot war. Then they can get "Daddy" Trump to commit boots on the ground in Europe and they'll all be happy again. But? That will be the start of World War 3. And best of luck conscripting Western Gen-Zs and Gen-Alphas to go fight and die in wars that make billionaires more billions as the cannon fodder (them) are expendable.

We do not need a new Hitler, so better take them down before than to late ?

Nobody wanted this war, but again, it is valuable resources we talking about, and Ukraine got them. Russia wants them and we want them ?

What do we do?

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1 hour ago, novacova said:

Small number compared to the number killed from fentanyl. So what’s your moral preference, thousands of young gullible naive kids experimenting and toying with lethal drugs coming from other countries and overdosing, or a few dead culprits?

Venezuela is not involved in Fentanyl trafficking to the US. Another MAGA lie for the gullible. 😁

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We do not need a new Hitler, so better take them down before than to late ?

Nobody wanted this war, but again, it is valuable resources we talking about, and Ukraine got them. Russia wants them and we want them ?

What do we do?

Another useful resource for Europe is the Ukrainian army. Apart from Russia, it's the largest army in Europe, and the only army with an extensive experience of modern warfare (drones), and ready to fight.

That's another reason why Putin is opposed to maintaining a large army in Ukraine. It's like a Damocles sword ready to intervene if Russia invades a NATO country, this time with full NATO support.

27 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We do not need a new Hitler, so better take them down before than to late ?

Nobody wanted this war, but again, it is valuable resources we talking about, and Ukraine got them. Russia wants them and we want them ?

What do we do?

If Russia/Ukraine is a nut too tough to crack, there's always Greenland!

Donald Trump 'orders US army chiefs to draw up plan to invade Greenland'

Donald Trump has ordered his special forces commanders to draw up a plan for the invasion of Greenland - but is being resisted by senior military figures, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

Sources say that the policy 'hawks' around the US President, led by political adviser Stephen Miller, have been so emboldened by the success of the operation to capture Venezuela's leader Nicolas Maduro that they want to move quickly to seize the island before Russia or China makes a move.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-orders-us-army-chiefs-to-draw-up-plan-to-invade-greenland/ar-AA1TXTGS

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Another useful resource for Europe is the Ukrainian army. Apart from Russia, it's the largest army in Europe, and the only army with an extensive experience of modern warfare (drones), and ready to fight.

That's another reason why Putin is opposed to maintaining a large army in Ukraine. It's like a Damocles sword ready to intervene if Russia invades a NATO country, this time with full NATO support.

Ukraine had a problem before with private armies, and great corruption and still do, so we do not know yet what we have created. When this war i over, we will start to understand! So Im careful to predict the future when it comes Ukraine and its people. I do not think we will have the honor of them being humble and thanking us for the support. Im all in for Ukraine winning the war, but afraid it comes with a price. Anyway better Ukraine than Russia, even I would like to think this war could had been stopped long time ago if ……….. and many life’s could had been saved.

9 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

If Russia/Ukraine is a nut too tough to crack, there's always Greenland!

Donald Trump 'orders US army chiefs to draw up plan to invade Greenland'

Donald Trump has ordered his special forces commanders to draw up a plan for the invasion of Greenland - but is being resisted by senior military figures, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

Sources say that the policy 'hawks' around the US President, led by political adviser Stephen Miller, have been so emboldened by the success of the operation to capture Venezuela's leader Nicolas Maduro that they want to move quickly to seize the island before Russia or China makes a move.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-orders-us-army-chiefs-to-draw-up-plan-to-invade-greenland/ar-AA1TXTGS

And with USA claiming Greenland, Russian will claim Svalbard and the Island closer to North Pole, so go ahead start to mess in the north :D

And china takes Taiwan eventually and maybe Philippine because they can. The rest will voluntarily follow China because it suits them, including Thailand.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

We do not need a new Hitler, so better take them down before than to late ?

Nobody wanted this war, but again, it is valuable resources we talking about, and Ukraine got them. Russia wants them and we want them ?

What do we do?

What happened the last time? Russia invaded Poland, Chamberlain let them and the US did nothing. Russia will make a new pact with the new NAZI and try to split the planet.

3 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

What happened the last time? Russia invaded Poland, Chamberlain let them and the US did nothing. Russia will make a new pact with the new NAZI and try to split the planet.

We will see, but I'm not to enthusiastic about future world Politics. I find it interesting both present situation and also history seen in light of today's situation.

Most interesting is the excuses ordinary people make for politicians who clearly is out of time.

1 hour ago, connda said:

Because it's SOP for special forces like Delta Force and the Seals to literally murder anyone within the vicinity of their target. They went after the Muduros so bodyguards, government staff, housekeepers, gardeners, drivers, and anyone unfortunate to be in the area are just considered "collateral damage." Shoot anyone and every one.

"So sad, too bad" as far as the US Administration is concerned.

Except that is not what occurred. The attack commenced at 02:00 hours local time. Anti aircraft positions were struck as were some military communication sites. Why would housekeepers and gardeners be working at that hour? All the deceased are reported as military personnel or in Maduro's entourage. Do you know something the Venezuelans and Cubans do not?

https://www.csis.org/analysis/imagery-venezuela-shows-surgical-strike-not-shock-and-awe

It is amusing, albeit not surprising, to see the usual people do moral contortions to oppose the arrest of the despot Maduro.

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10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I wonder how people would react if China invaded the White House, kidnapped Trump and brought him back to Beijing for trial?

It would seem like he is setting that sort of precedent.

Dancing, dancing, dancing in the streets!

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10 hours ago, novacova said:

Small number compared to the number killed from fentanyl. So what’s your moral preference, thousands of young gullible naive kids experimenting and toying with lethal drugs coming from other countries and overdosing, or a few dead culprits?

Not buying that justification.

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20 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Cuban military set up shop in Venezuela and kept Maduro in power. If it was alright for the Cubans to be operating in the country and managing a puppet state, one can argue that the USA had an interest of getting rid of it.

Shall I ask just how many times in the last, oh 75 years, has the USA set up shop in a wide variety of countries, both in it's own "hemisphere", and put in power and maintained in power a government which dances to their tune? And how many hundreds of thousands if not millions have died as a result?

17 hours ago, connda said:

Don't be surprised when the manufacturing facitilities and storage centers including military bases which maintain these "British weapons" in the UK are hit with Oreshnik missiles or other hypersonic missiles.
Russians: Slow to bridle, fast to ride. Eventually they stop showing restrain, which the UK and NATO just see a "weakness," take the gloves off, and hit back in spades.
It's coming. Sadly. But in my humble opinion Europe and the EU actually want a hot war. Then they can get "Daddy" Trump to commit boots on the ground in Europe and they'll all be happy again. But? That will be the start of World War 3. And best of luck conscripting Western Gen-Zs and Gen-Alphas to go fight and die in wars that make billionaires more billions as the cannon fodder (them) are expendable.

The average Gen Z guy would cry for 3 days if he split his toenail, can you imagine a person like that actually fighting on the ground against an enemy force? I can't.

Maybe Trump was looking to collect the increased bounty Biden placed on Maduro for information leading to Maduro's arrest and/or conviction on charges including narco-terrorism, cocaine importation conspiracy, and related weapons offenses tied to his alleged leadership of the "Cartel de los Soles."

On January 10, 2025 (shortly before Biden left office and coinciding with Maduro's controversial swearing-in for a third term amid disputed election results), the Biden administration's State Department announced an increase to up to $25 million for Maduro. They also raised the reward for Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello to $25 million (from $10 million) and added a new $15 million reward for Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino López.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/world/americas/biden-bounty-nicolas-maduro.html

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Trump have been bashing Venezuelan oil for how long, and now suddenly the best oil, ? The best oil for asphalt?

And in the meeting with oil producers fishing money for his ballroom?

Doesn't get better comedy's than the white house producing real time

4 hours ago, JAG said:

Shall I ask just how many times in the last, oh 75 years, has the USA set up shop in a wide variety of countries, both in it's own "hemisphere", and put in power and maintained in power a government which dances to their tune? And how many hundreds of thousands if not millions have died as a result?

Ok. However, the Cuban miitary has been an active supporter of. groups who are anti USA and anti democracy. It is understandable why the USA who take measures to contain active threats to its national security.

And while you mention the past 75 years, a review of the past 50 years shows that the USA has been mostly hands off. That's 2 generations.

The 1989 removal of gangster thug Noreiga of Panama was reasonable, and his government was quickly replaced by a functioning democracy. The country has prospered ever since and is considered to be stable. The 1983 restoration of democracy in Grenada was a joint US- OECS operation. Maurice Bishop had overthrown the elected government and was ruling Grenada as a Marxist dictator, supported by the presence of the Cuban military. His government was eventually overthrown and the country was in chaos. Because the Commonwealth and the UK had abandoned their responsibility to the people of Grenada, the USA in conjunction with 6 of Grenada's threatened neighbours intervened to restore order and democracy. Grenada has been stable since then.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The average Gen Z guy would cry for 3 days if he split his toenail, can you imagine a person like that actually fighting on the ground against an enemy force? I can't.

You know nothing. They are a lot tougher than you. The Ukrainians who are holding off the Russians are primarily Ukraine's 21-28 year olds, and they are Generation Z.

What you perceive is weakness is their being open to accepting other people's differences. They are incredibly quick at adapting to environmental change and in adopting new technology and are the drivers of the new technology. They are the people who suffered the brunt of Covid and lost 3 important years of the best times of their lives to the pandemic. They are the people who are stuck with the climate, fiscal and societal inequity mess that the Boomers have created. See what happens if you reduce benefits to the Boomers. They will have tantrums much worse than any Gen Z would deliver.

Looks like Rubio will be president once Cuba is conquered. What a complete and utter clown show!🤣

38 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

You know nothing. They are a lot tougher than you. The Ukrainians who are holding off the Russians are primarily Ukraine's 21-28 year olds, and they are Generation Z.

What you perceive is weakness is their being open to accepting other people's differences. They are incredibly quick at adapting to environmental change and in adopting new technology and are the drivers of the new technology. They are the people who suffered the brunt of Covid and lost 3 important years of the best times of their lives to the pandemic. They are the people who are stuck with the climate, fiscal and societal inequity mess that the Boomers have created. See what happens if you reduce benefits to the Boomers. They will have tantrums much worse than any Gen Z would deliver.

You are correct. I should have qualified it by saying that the average Gen Z man who is American.

Little to do with oil, drugs, minerals or other goodies IMO. Although the US corporations wouldn't say 'no thanks' if they were offered some of the spoils.

So what's it all about?

The western banking system and ensuring the $US stays intact, and retains it's role as the world's business currency.

I mean, what could happen if countries started doing business in other currencies? Why not ask Saddam, Gaddafi, or any other upstarts that thought they would side-step the petrodollar even the dollar itself, if they thought it was a good idea?

Who actually is the driving force behind it all. The west's banks and the state within a country, City of London.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Little to do with oil, drugs, minerals or other goodies IMO. Although the US corporations wouldn't say 'no thanks' if they were offered some of the spoils.

So what's it all about?

The western banking system and ensuring the $US stays intact, and retains it's role as the world's business currency.

I mean, what could happen if countries started doing business in other currencies? Why not ask Saddam, Gaddafi, or any other upstarts that thought they would side-step the petrodollar even the dollar itself, if they thought it was a good idea?

Who actually is the driving force behind it all. The west's banks and the state within a country, City of London.

It can also make profits from other currencies. For example, the euro represents 31% of Forex trades in the City of London.

Actually, the City's profits would likely increase if a higher variety of currencies were used for global transactions (but risk would also be raised).

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