6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

OK let's play.......

I could keep going but no need.

To make matters worse, they all proposed sending masked goon squads into Republican controlled states in hugely disproportionate numbers.

On 1/28/2026 at 4:16 PM, Harry Vibhavadi said:

No, I believe my own eyes. And listen to my brains: 10 shots, TEN shots fired in that body. Even execution mostly works with only ONE shot.... Only in criminal Trump country this is possible. (and some others like North Korea, Putin-country, Iran )

You've clearly never shot an animal or even seen it in person, you should stick to things you understand. This isn't one of them. lol

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

To make matters worse, they all proposed sending masked goon squads into Republican controlled states in hugely disproportionate numbers.

Oh you mean sanctuary states.

20 hours ago, transam said:

So what, and if you had to escape to Thailand, then you must not have been to happy there, eh.......? 🤫

Nobody escaped, we live in a Free Country and have the right to come and go as we please.
I've been to every part of America, more than once. Thailand is just one of many stops in my life. Unlike you, I can afford to live in my home Country but choose not to for the moment.
Thats very different from leaving because I can't afford to live there, that must really suck for you.

On 1/27/2026 at 1:46 PM, Yagoda said:

The organized Left works for martyrdom, agitation and the protection of child sexual predators and criminalss.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr

"Based on a digital analysis of scores of rapid-response messages following the killing on Saturday, a hub of communist and socialist nonprofit organizations emerged as key organizers of the protests. Many of them are funded by American-born billionaire Neville Roy Singham, a self-declared Marxist-Leninist living in Shanghai. Some are also offshoots of the People’s Forum Inc., a nonprofit hub Singham has funded in New York City since 2017 as an "incubator" for socialist and communist groups. The People's Forum declined requests for comment."

The media is complicit

"Another CNN segment from Minneapolis interviewed Chris Gray, describing him only as Pretti’s "next-door neighbor." Gray spoke about Pretti while delivering a well-scripted appeal for a general strike to dismantle the "Trump regime" and promote "non-violent resistance." The segment did not disclose that Gray is a member of Socialist Alternative, the U.S. affiliate of the International Socialist Alternative, a "global fighting organization of workers, young people, and all those oppressed by capitalism and imperialism," seeking to create a "socialist world.""

Damnit! There's that constitutionally enshrined right to free speech nonsense coming back to bite your arse once again.

What ever happened to land of the free and the home of the brave?

4 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Oh you mean sanctuary states.

And that is relevant how? ICE devotes a hugely disproportionate number of agents where the pickings are slimmer. Is the goal is to remove illegal immigrant or not?

9 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

You've clearly never shot an animal or even seen it in person, you should stick to things you understand. This isn't one of them. lol

Correct, the initial DHS findings indicate that only two of the ICE men pumped ten bullets into a dead body.

Woohoo! Happy huntin'. Shoot them animals.

19 minutes ago, blaze master said:

OK let's play.......

I could keep going but no need.

Once they figured out how many more house seats they would get with 10-20M illegal aliens they changed that tune big-quick.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And that is relevant how? ICE devotes a hugely disproportionate number of agents where the pickings are slimmer. Is the goal is to remove illegal immigrant or not?

Yes. Next stupid question ?

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And that is relevant how? ICE devotes a hugely disproportionate number of agents where the pickings are slimmer. Is the goal is to remove illegal immigrant or not?

What do you think the goal is?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

What do you think the goal is?

Oh uh cue stupid question reply. You done done it now.

5 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Yes. Next stupid question ?

Given that resources are being disproportionately directed at states that didn't vote for Trump, I'd say the stupid question is coming from you. All you have is an insult but no reasoned analysis to reply with.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

Given that resources are being disproportionately directed at states that didn't vote for Trump, I'd say the stupid question is coming from you. All you have is an insult but no reasoned analysis to reply with.

Thats your opinion. Noted.

why do they need that many shots to kill a person, surely one to the head would suffice.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What do you think the goal is?

To punish blue states.

From AI:

2. Grievances Over Past Elections

Trump has explicitly linked the federal "occupation" of the Twin Cities to his personal belief that he was cheated out of electoral victories in the state.

• The "No Credit" Quote: In January 2026, when asked about the deployment, Trump stated:

  “I won Minnesota three times and I didn’t get credit for it. That’s a crooked state. California’s a crooked state. We have many crooked states.”

• The Context: Critics argue this confirms that the "Metro Surge" is less about immigration and more about punishing states that did not vote for him.

4 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Thats your opinion. Noted.

And that's your non answer answer.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And that's your non answer answer.

Again your opinion is noted.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

To punish blue states.

From AI:

2. Grievances Over Past Elections

Trump has explicitly linked the federal "occupation" of the Twin Cities to his personal belief that he was cheated out of electoral victories in the state.

• The "No Credit" Quote: In January 2026, when asked about the deployment, Trump stated:

• The Context: Critics argue this confirms that the "Metro Surge" is less about immigration and more about punishing states that did not vote for him.

So blue states are being punished by removing apprehending illegal aliens?

Do you have anything that supports your claim that there are a disproportionate number of ICE agents being deployed in blue states?

But for the protests, the citizenry would not know that ICE was there. Virtually all the mayhem is related to people interfering with federal law enforcement.

16 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Thats your opinion. Noted.

It's also bleeding obvious.

Seconded.

On 1/27/2026 at 8:46 PM, candide said:

During this operation, an individual approached U.S. Border Patrol agents with a nine-millimeter semi-automatic handgun. The agents attempted to disarm the individual, but he violently resisted. Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, a Border Patrol agent fired defensive shots

There is a rumour flying around (all right, all right, I started it) that he (Bovino) had to leave to refresh his wardrobe - all his available trousers caught on fire!

10 hours ago, JAG said:

1 hour ago, Slowhand225 said:

You've clearly never shot an animal or even seen it in person, you should stick to things you understand. This isn't one of them. lol

That doesn’t make any sense. And then a lol?

So, in 2020 the left stokes up a lot of violence to hurt the Trump Administration prior to the election, and at that time, the police were all fascists and needed to be defunded.

Now, in 2026, the left stokes up a lot of violence to hurt the Trump Administration prior to the midterms, and now ICE are all fascists and need to be defunded.

Hmmmm

Minnesota's open carry laws allows open carry of long rifles. In the incident that lead to Pretti's death, federal agents crossed the road, and one pushed down a woman; she was not an immigrant. She might have been shouting at them from across the road, but that doesn't seem to be stopping them doing their job. Pretti stepped in to intervene. He had a pistol in a holster, under his jacket, ie concealed carry. The Agents only realised he was armed during the subsequent scuffle.

If he had been carrying a long rifle, as the militias in the state often do at rallies and protests, would the agents have crossed the road to push down a woman yelling at them?

The Black Panthers think they have it worked out.

Robert Peel developed the modern concept of a police force/service, and established the Peelian Principles of Policing, among which is the importance of policing by consent. Re-establishing that was vital to ending the troubles in Northern Ireland. The police could not impose themselves on a local population that didn't want them, eg West Belfast, (London)derry.

1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.

2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.

3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.

4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.

5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.

6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.

7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.

9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

On 1/27/2026 at 1:32 PM, TorquayFan said:

IMO there should be no debate about what happened - the video has been available from the very start and most of us have seen it several times on different sources.

These ICE agents have been selected in a rush and sent into action without adequate training - the whole shebang is a Trumpian catastrophic and murderous mess !

So sad to see these two fine Folks losing their lives in the mess that Trump makes. Murder - no doubt !

How anyone cannot see clearly exactly what happened is beyond belief . . . nothing to discuss for the sane among us.

Trump has done a wonderful job of convincing his maga morons that what he says over and over that is recorded on HD video and audio that he never said it. He has convinced millions that what they saw on Jan 6 was just another day at the capitol. He has convinced millions to send him $ to buy chinese bibles, superhero mem coins, bitcoin cons, dodgy watches, $499 cell phones that they never receive.

Now he and his minions are at it again convincing the cult that shooting a man 9 or 10 times as he was lying on the ground after being tackled by six or so armed agents having never "brandished" or even touched his legally carried gun, after they had pepper sprayed him tackled him and removed his gun but decided to fill him full of lead.......nothing to see here...if you are totally blinded by the kool aide.

It takes a special kind of stupid to keep falling for the con/grift over and over and over.

Trust your own eyes and your own ears and use your head for something besides a hat rack and put down the cult kool aide.

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

why do they need that many shots to kill a person, surely one to the head would suffice.

Panic. Most lack police training. Some might have a military background, but don't let that fool you. The majority who have served have never fired a shot in anger before. In Iraq, the majority of deployed troops were logistics and support, people like JD Vance, who only shot photos. ICE feels the need to offer $50,000 signing on bonuses (with no upper age bar), suggesting they are forced to recruit individuals who are motivated more by monetary gain, than a sense of public service (the latter is what we all want in a law enforcement officer, or whatever branch). Struggling to meet recruitment targets, little evidence they are successful in enticing serving police officers to join:

https://www.ms.now/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ice-hiring-standards-dhs-immigration-police-rcna239656

ICE training:

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2026/ice-47-days-training-reduced-trump/

Used to be 5 months training, now its basically 48 days, which is significantly less than the training carried out in police departments, which varies between 12 to 27 weeks (a lot less than in Europe, Australia)

Having said that, I recall, as a young undergrad, at UT-Knoxville, of the University Police Chief boasting his officers were the most highly trained in the city, because there was a basic requirement for a Hight School Graduation Certificate. That did leave me worried. Now, many American police officers are highly professional, very capable. But it only seems to be in America, at least in the free world, where police officer go really bad, like the officers in New Orleans committing armed robbery, in uniform (WTF).

Its fair to say why they might brandish Police-emblazoned stab vests, they possess, in general, nowhere near the competancies of what you expect from serving police officers.

1 minute ago, Roadsternut said:

Panic. Most lack police training. Some might have a military background, but don't let that fool you. The majority who have served have never fired a shot in anger before. In Iraq, the majority of deployed troops were logistics and support, people like JD Vance, who only shot photos. ICE feels the need to offer $50,000 signing on bonuses (with no upper age bar), suggesting they are forced to recruit individuals who are motivated more by monetary gain, than a sense of public service (the latter is what we all want in a law enforcement officer, or whatever branch). Struggling to meet recruitment targets, little evidence they are successful in enticing serving police officers to join:

https://www.ms.now/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ice-hiring-standards-dhs-immigration-police-rcna239656

ICE training:

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2026/ice-47-days-training-reduced-trump/

Used to be 5 months training, now its basically 48 days, which is significantly less than the training carried out in police departments, which varies between 12 to 27 weeks (a lot less than in Europe, Australia)

Having said that, I recall, as a young undergrad, at UT-Knoxville, of the University Police Chief boasting his officers were the most highly trained in the city, because there was a basic requirement for a Hight School Graduation Certificate. That did leave me worried. Now, many American police officers are highly professional, very capable. But it only seems to be in America, at least in the free world, where police officer go really bad, like the officers in New Orleans committing armed robbery, in uniform (WTF).

Its fair to say why they might brandish Police-emblazoned stab vests, they possess, in general, nowhere near the competancies of what you expect from serving police officers.

Gender Studies major?

6 hours ago, ericthai said:

Ok....I got it now, I understand why you think it's ok. These people aren't US citizens, they are people that are illegally in the country and ICE is trying to remove them.

Just like Thai immigration does, and maybe the UK, as I'm not sure about UK immigration anymore!

I think "what" is OK.............?

Forget the illegals, my post was talking about actual Americans................🙄

3 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

that could have been prevented had they not been where they didn't belong.

They got what they had coming.

On a street............🤣

3 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Nobody escaped, we live in a Free Country and have the right to come and go as we please.
I've been to every part of America, more than once. Thailand is just one of many stops in my life. Unlike you, I can afford to live in my home Country but choose not to for the moment.
Thats very different from leaving because I can't afford to live there, that must really suck for you.

🤣................OK, looks like I hit a nerve..........................

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