Tiger Boxer

[thaicbr]

Dave some of the police have them in nakhom pathom as well. i have heard that the police guys can buy the 200 for as little as 44thou which is a bit of a bargain.

i followed a 200 the other day from pinklau to near ko sahn and the low down torque did seem better than the cbr. i was changing gear loads more than he was.

still i'm going to stick with my CBR'S for the time being. one for low cost traveling(150) and one for being a looney(250).

[dave_boo]

Dave some of the police have them in nakhom pathom as well. i have heard that the police guys can buy the 200 for as little as 44thou which is a bit of a bargain.

i followed a 200 the other day from pinklau to near ko sahn and the low down torque did seem better than the cbr. i was changing gear loads more than he was.

still i'm going to stick with my CBR'S for the time being. one for low cost traveling(150) and one for being a looney(250).

I've seen a handful in my travels throughout the country (there's a couple of really old natty looking ones in Nakhon Sawan), but the only place you'll really see them is in Bangkok. And the fact that they're sold so cheap to the five-oh is another reason that I think there was some deal that went on; it's not the departments selecting the best vehicle for the job.

[jdinasia]

Perhaps you are correct dave-boo ... then again perhaps you are just assuming that a company that got a contract for anything bust have been involved in payola .....

But I have seen them in more places than just BKK. Though the BMA did contract for them in large numbers.

[dave_boo]

Perhaps you are correct dave-boo ... then again perhaps you are just assuming that a company that got a contract for anything bust have been involved in payola .....

But I have seen them in more places than just BKK. Though the BMA did contract for them in large numbers.

I could be wrong, but Fox Moulder is my hero. They could have won the contract based on their merit; I doubt that considering the general disdain that most Thais I have known have displayed toward the marquee. I don't have anything against it; but those that claim it was purchase en masse due to it being head and shoulders above the competition seem naieve. Remember that the majority of police in LOS have to purchase their own vehicles; so while a cheap Tiger may seem apealing for those officers you still don't see that many of them. I wonder what the ratio of Boxer 2*0 to CBR 150s is for the police force is.

[jdinasia]

ummm it was a BMA contract Supposition is very close to suppository in the dictionary

[Richard-BKK]

Not only BMA, much more government organizations use the Tiger Boxer 200. And the under the table money, is a absolute no-no, I'm sure that other parties with huge marketing and knowledge would blow it wide open. Honda was hoping to get it's Phantom into the BMW deal, but service records of the Express Way Police department blow that...

The Honda CBR-150R is no match for the Tiger Boxer 200, riding position and overall performance is for the all-round use just not equal, the Honda CBR-150R did not make the performance set by BMA. The Honda Phantom also failed the first test, but Honda was willing to beef up the Phantom.

At the time the Tiger Boxer 200 was in a class of its own, this again says nothing about other motorcycles being bad, but a 200cc motorcycle which can perform and be capable of doing all-round riding it was one choice only the Tiger Boxer 200. Be honest do you see 2 boys in Brown on a CBR-150 flat on the tanks and not thinking pink ribbon...

On the engine performance of the 200cc boxer, end performance of the Tiger Boxer and the Honda CBR-150 is close, it is the time to get to this max performance and the rpm and flat on the tank to get there that counts. The Honda CBR-150R was not a match for the Italian build Cagiva F4 150, which is also a 150cc, built 20 years ago.

[dave_boo]

ummm it was a BMA contract

And we all know that large government contracts have absolutely no kickbacks. Well with the exception of this case(BMA firetruck fiasco). Or perhaps this one(BMA drainage tunnel corruption)? I'm sure there's more but I don't want a whole post filled with similar crap.

Supposition is very close to suppository in the dictionary

See above links. And remember what grandpa said, "The first time the ass kicks you it's the asses fault. The second time it's yours." And for those that like to play dictionary games simpleton is very close to shrewd.

On the engine performance of the 200cc boxer, end performance of the Tiger Boxer and the Honda CBR-150 is close, it is the time to get to this max performance and the rpm and flat on the tank to get there that counts. The Honda CBR-150R was not a match for the Italian build Cagiva F4 150, which is also a 150cc, built 20 years ago.

I'll agree with you that a Boxer would be much more comfortable in the long haul that a policeman would be required to use it for. Does it have more performance? I don't know. Bringing up an older bike and comparing it to a current model to try and bolster your argument that a third bike, having recieved styling cues (and possibly a general engine design) from the older bike's company is a bit disingenious.

But, had my wife not bought that Ninja, there was a good chance I would have dropped the money on the Boxer. As I keep repeating, it's a fantastic deal and probably much better suited for the style of riding I do: long trips that would keep me from getting numb nuts.

[PeaceBlondie]

I just realized what a lot of Chiang Mai cops ride, tho I am not sure the model name: it is a Kawasaki with a big tank, high frame, sport style. So it is not unheard of for the boys in brown to ride sport bikes. But I see no attempt by Tiger to advertise their range, let alone the Boxer 200 or 250. The brand name is nonexistent up here, except as a Joke. I mean, Joker.

[jdinasia]

Speaking of which ... I really should get rid of my Joker before parts become an issue (the plastic .. not the engine)

[tonybroster]

Perhaps you are correct dave-boo ... then again perhaps you are just assuming that a company that got a contract for anything bust have been involved in payola .....

But I have seen them in more places than just BKK. Though the BMA did contract for them in large numbers.

I could be wrong, but Fox Moulder is my hero. They could have won the contract based on their merit; I doubt that considering the general disdain that most Thais I have known have displayed toward the marquee. I don't have anything against it; but those that claim it was purchase en masse due to it being head and shoulders above the competition seem naieve. Remember that the majority of police in LOS have to purchase their own vehicles; so while a cheap Tiger may seem apealing for those officers you still don't see that many of them. I wonder what the ratio of Boxer 2*0 to CBR 150s is for the police force is.

Cant help with the ratio of Cbr150s to Tiger Boxers but since I started to recently show interest in the brand I have seen a number of all white ones in & around the airport plus a reasonable of them suddenly being used by the Pattaya police force.

Spoke to a cop with a 200 Boxer outside Pattaya city hall yesterday & asked him are they ok? or are they a problem ?

He said that with the exception of water getting in his ignition switch twice when parked in heavy rain which stopped the sparks he had experienced no other problems at all.

The local dealer said 1/2 hour later when we visited him for the 2nd time that on new delivery bikes a better switch has now been fitted.

Far as I can see there is no good reason why Thailand cant build a value for money half decent motorcycle,

They have taken & developed the sexy Go Go bar concept to a worlds number 1, can quickly turn their sons into beautiful daughters with the snip of a clever surgeons scalpel so why shouldent they build an ok bike ?

I got to say having sized up possible alternatives to the Boxer 250, read & absorbed all the interesting stuff you smart people have been saying Im getting a lot lot closer to dropping the dime on a new one.

If so I do promise to give you an honest 60 year olds opinion ( no cracks please ) of what they are like.

Tony B.

[tonybroster]

I don't want to start a discussion here .But i rode the bike and im sure that a CBR 150 cc wont follow the boxer .That's maybe the main reason that the brown boys are using the boxer

Hi kano85, Question please,

Is the reason a Cbr150 wont follow a Tiger Boxer because the Cbr riders have to keep ducking out of the way of the parts that fall off the Boxer ?

Sorry kano I couldent resist your comment, Im just joking thats all,

Tony B

[BigBikeBKK]

Far as I can see there is no good reason why Thailand cant build a value for money half decent motorcycle.

Thailand builds the best selling 250cc sport bike on the planet:

Boxer 250 and CBR125 are good value for money, but they'll never keep up with the Ninja 250R

Happy Trails

[Richard-BKK]

For this I fully agree with BigBikeBKK, for now the Kawasaki Ninja 250R is in a class by its own....

[tonybroster]

Far as I can see there is no good reason why Thailand cant build a value for money half decent motorcycle.

Thailand builds the best selling 250cc sport bike on the planet:

If I hit a nerve it was not intended- honest

I totally agree with your Ninja comment, ( I have a new black one ) fantastic machine.

What I should have said is there is no reason why Thailand cant build another upright value for money half decent motorcycle for old crocks with bad backs like me ( I will be carefull to get the wording right next time- promise )

Tony B.

Boxer 250 and CBR125 are good value for money, but they'll never keep up with the Ninja 250R

Happy Trails

[tonybroster]

Good for Tiger Boxer. As for durability, I would expect every new bike to run well for well over 50,000 km, although my first CBR had carb problems after 35K.

Hi Blondie,

on the subject of durability have a laugh on me please, we bought a new Suzuki Step 125 2 years back for easy day to day Pattaya trips shopping & vital go go bar visits etc,

it has slowly developed a buzzy vibration thats got worse recently & thats at only 14,000 ks so off we go to the Suzuki main dealers,

Bless him the resident well experienced techie instantly diagnosed drive belts want changing, I explained ok change the belts but it still vibrates when stood stationery & its getting worse weekly !

Yes, but for sure its a drive belt problem says the techie , ok please replace them, ( why argue with a Suzuki expert )

Next day with new Suzuki belts fitted guess what ? of course we have exactly the same vibration,

ahhh says techie I know problem, its carburetta idle speed, its too fast, so he tweaks carburetta until it almost stalls, Im glazing over at this point, the 2 words stupid & prat coming to mind.

The vibration obviously is still there at all speeds just like a gasoline powered 125cc vibrator,

Ok says I desperately looking to just spend some Baht, cure the buzzing & go home, could it possibly be the rubber engine mountings want attention or a loose baffle in the exhaust ?

No says the expert techie knowingly problem is your bike now very old,

Very Old ! it a 14,000 k 2 year old machine, fully serviced & oil/ filters changed every 2500 ks, & my local small motorcycle service shop loves me !

So if your only Honda Cbr problem was a carb glitch at 35,000 ks your doing a lot better than I am with my 125 cc Suzuki Stink Wheel at 14,000ks,

Currently I still suspect engine mounts, exhaust baffles or if Im real lucky& god truly hates me its rumbling main crank bearings in the bottom of the engine !

Happy days Blondie,

Im still smiling, but seriously looking for a good mechanic in Pattaya, any ideas anyone ?

Tony B.

[PeaceBlondie]

For this I fully agree with BigBikeBKK, for now the Kawasaki Ninja 250R is in a class by its own....

Exactly. A price class of its own. Same as the best, most expensive Ducati is separately in a class of its own..

[dave_boo]

For this I fully agree with BigBikeBKK, for now the Kawasaki Ninja 250R is in a class by its own....

Exactly. A price class of its own. Same as the best, most expensive Ducati is separately in a class of its own..

Without the cachet of ownership (well, in the civilised world) or superior engineering that goes along with a Ducati......I can't talk too badly since I own one of the aforementioned bikes though.

[BigBikeBKK]

For this I fully agree with BigBikeBKK, for now the Kawasaki Ninja 250R is in a class by its own....

Exactly. A price class of its own. Same as the best, most expensive Ducati is separately in a class of its own..

Sorry- I know this is off topic, but why do people think the Ninja 250R is expensive? At current exchange rates the Fuel Injected Thai Ninja 250R is an incredible value at only 139,900 Thai Baht. The carburated version sells for $3499 in the US and the price there will go up $500 in 2009. Comparing a Tiger Boxer 250 vs the Kawasaki Ninja 250R I'd have to say that you get what you pay for. The only thing the two bikes have in common is engine size. Happy Trails!

[PeaceBlondie]

The price of any bike elsewhere is off topic within Thailand, although we all do it. Any price between 139K and 149K out the door is far more than 65K or 77K. Roughly double, thus in a price category of its own, with no competition. Nice bike, though. And the Boxer 250 may be very much worth 77K.

[kano85]

To whom it may concern.

I'm interested to buy a Boxer 250 RS.i contacted tiger Via E-mail and two days later i received the following reply

Dear Sir

I understand that you are interested in the Boxer 250 Rs model. Unfortunately, we do not have a dealer in Suphanburi at the moment. My suggestion is that if you have time, please come to visit our office in Bangkok. We have the test-ride units here where you can see and test the bike.

The address is:

1865 Phahon Yothin rd. Ladyao Chatuchak Bangkok (see the map attached). Open 9.00-5.30 Mon-Fri

We are making a new website, which should be up and running by the end of next month.

If there is any more questions, please lets me know.

Best Regards,

Pariya

With the following pictures included. After i tested the bike Tiger contacted me as agreed The salesrep spoke perfect English which is very rare in Thailand And today i received in proper English a full detailed quotation from Tiger .

And indeed the boxer is available with side and rear top cases

Congratulations to Tiger welldone for your perusal GSM sales 0892018147

I dont think tiger will be out of business soon.The test ride with the 250 RS was simply marvelous and their service so far were excellent.I never experienced equal services from a Thai company.

I will order my boxer very soon after all my docs with immigration are cleared

[kano85]

The tiger with 2 side and rear top case

[dave_boo]

For this I fully agree with BigBikeBKK, for now the Kawasaki Ninja 250R is in a class by its own....

Exactly. A price class of its own. Same as the best, most expensive Ducati is separately in a class of its own..

Sorry- I know this is off topic, but why do people think the Ninja 250R is expensive? At current exchange rates the Fuel Injected Thai Ninja 250R is an incredible value at only 139,900 Thai Baht. The carburated version sells for $3499 in the US and the price there will go up $500 in 2009. Comparing a Tiger Boxer 250 vs the Kawasaki Ninja 250R I'd have to say that you get what you pay for. The only thing the two bikes have in common is engine size. Happy Trails!

You comparing the price of commodities in the real world versus that in Thailand is a bit disingenious. For instance, what's the going rate of an average escort? 2000 THB? What's the going price of the top of the line one? 10 000 THB? From a western point of view, the top 'o line one is a fantastic deal; however, it's almost two months of an average Somchai's salary.

Thus the complaints that the Ninja is overpriced.

[Richard-BKK]

It is clear that the Tiger Boxer 250RS is more in the line of a Honda CBR-150R or Honda Phantom 200. The Kawasaki Ninja 250R would face more competition from it own family the D-Tracker and the Honda VTR-250 (if this Honda is coming).

[BigBikeBKK]

You comparing the price of commodities in the real world versus that in Thailand is a bit disingenious. For instance, what's the going rate of an average escort? 2000 THB? What's the going price of the top of the line one? 10 000 THB? From a western point of view, the top 'o line one is a fantastic deal; however, it's almost two months of an average Somchai's salary.

Thus the complaints that the Ninja is overpriced.

Heh heh- Dave, since when are you such the expert on escort prices?

And an escort is a SERVICE, while a motorcycle is a COMMODITY, and we all know that service in Thailand is incredibly cheap while commodities are not.

Anyway bro- enjoy your new 'overpriced' Ninja!

Peace Up and Party On!

[BigBikeBKK]

The tiger with 2 side and rear top case

Thanks for the info Kano- it actually isn't an ugly bike (though that top case has got to go- it's HUGE!)

It seems a good value for the price they are asking- I may have to run over to Phahon Yothin and take one for a spin.

Happy Trails!

[dave_boo]

Heh heh- Dave, since when are you such the expert on escort prices?

And an escort is a SERVICE, while a motorcycle is a COMMODITY, and we all know that service in Thailand is incredibly cheap while commodities are not.

Anyway bro- enjoy your new 'overpriced' Ninja!

Peace Up and Party On!

Ummh.....I live vicariously through the Pattaya sub-forum?

I guess I should have compared a commodity to a commodity; there's numerous examples of items manufactured in Thailand that are much cheaper than in the West. I can think of food off the top of my head.

It is clear that the Tiger Boxer 250RS is more in the line of a Honda CBR-150R or Honda Phantom 200. The Kawasaki Ninja 250R would face more competition from it own family the D-Tracker and the Honda VTR-250 (if this Honda is coming).

Any idea of the projected price of that VTR? I would probably put the VTR in a different class of bike then the Ninja (more in the class of the Boxer); much the same way that a Ducati Monster is in a different class than say the 848.

[dave_boo]

To whom it may concern.

I'm interested to buy a Boxer 250 RS.i contacted tiger Via E-mail and two days later i received the following reply

Dear Sir

I understand that you are interested in the Boxer 250 Rs model. Unfortunately, we do not have a dealer in Suphanburi at the moment. My suggestion is that if you have time, please come to visit our office in Bangkok. We have the test-ride units here where you can see and test the bike.

The address is:

1865 Phahon Yothin rd. Ladyao Chatuchak Bangkok (see the map attached). Open 9.00-5.30 Mon-Fri

We are making a new website, which should be up and running by the end of next month.

If there is any more questions, please lets me know.

Best Regards,

Pariya

With the following pictures included. After i tested the bike Tiger contacted me as agreed The salesrep spoke perfect English which is very rare in Thailand And today i received in proper English a full detailed quotation from Tiger .

And indeed the boxer is available with side and rear top cases

Congratulations to Tiger welldone for your perusal GSM sales 0892018147

I dont think tiger will be out of business soon.The test ride with the 250 RS was simply marvelous and their service so far were excellent.I never experienced equal services from a Thai company.

I will order my boxer very soon after all my docs with immigration are cleared

I've repeated that the Tiger is a really good deal, in fact with the lowish compression ratio there's a good chance its motor will out last that of the CBR 150R (can't believe I just said that!).

Interesting that the sales rep spoke perfect english; a refreshing change. At all the dealerships I've been to from the bigger players in Thai motor-cyc sales it seems that requiring their management to speak an international language isn't a priority.

It is funny though that at the top of your first scan it says "Tigar"

[thaicbr]

Dave i saw that as well. just thinking it might have something to do with the problems they had before so hence change of owner an company name(rather than product name).

but then at my motorsi service shop he has a tiger compresser (thai brand) that uses a cheetah on the logo. eg spots not stripes. hehehehehe

[kano85]

The picture I received from tiger The boxer with top and side cases.

Thx again to Tiger for the prompt replies

[kano85]

The tiger with 2 side and rear top case

Thanks for the info Kano- it actually isn't an ugly bike (though that top case has got to go- it's HUGE!)

It seems a good value for the price they are asking- I may have to run over to Phahon Yothin and take one for a spin.

Happy Trails!

Yes I totally agree the top case is huge i just put it up for any ones perusal.Still can order the holders and buy the cases at Saphan Kwai

many choise over there