Embattled Thai Pm Offers Talks With Thaksin

[Pierrot]

From Channelnewsasia :

Thailand's government offered Wednesday to hold talks with former premier Thaksin Shinawatra in a bid to defuse week-long protests that have reignited the kingdom's political chaos.

"The government is ready to hold talks with Thaksin wherever to make our country peaceful," Suthep Thaugsuban, the deputy prime minister in charge of security, told reporters.

"I will wait for his reaction this evening," Suthep said.

But Thaksin's supporters quickly rejected the olive branch offered by Suthep, saying that they would instead step up their campaign to topple the government by holding a mass rally in Bangkok on April 8.

"The situation now is beyond negotiation," protest leader Jatuporn Prompan said. "Since we want to topple the government how can we talk with them? It's too late and useless."

There was no immediate reaction from Thaksin himself.

For the complete story :

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/419337/1/.html

[samran]

"embattled"....

love it! Gotta go overboard to get the attention!

Save the word up for a few months, then use it. Otherwise the story comes of as a beat up, much ado about nothing....which it is.

[trogers]

But Thaksin's supporters quickly rejected the olive branch offered by Suthep, saying that they would instead step up their campaign to topple the government by holding a mass rally in Bangkok on April 8.

They will campaign until the funds run dry...then fly overseas to get some more...

A protest based on principles...or employment?

Edited April 1, 2009 by trogers

[Pierrot]

"embattled"....

love it! Gotta go overboard to get the attention!

Save the word up for a few months, then use it. Otherwise the story comes of as a beat up, much ado about nothing....which it is.

You're right, "desperate" is more accurate.

"I am ready to talk with Thaksin both in Thailand and overseas. I can fly to meet with him wherever he is, in order to bring peace back (to the country)," the website by Thai-language newspaper Thai Rath quoted Suthep as saying after chairing the special cabinet meeting. From Xinhua

Edited April 1, 2009 by Pierrot

[GuestHouse]

Or is this a Thaksin generated bit of spin - Government ready to give in but Thaksin hanging out for more?

The allegations Thaksin has made this week have been attacks on the very core of Thai society (or just off the very core) - I doubt very very much that anyone is in a mood for compromise with Thaksin right now.

He meanwhile has stated he wants this to come to a head before Songkhran - well time is getting short and the PM is in London right now, so perhaps Thaksin feels a bit of misinformation won't hurt.

So in short.. Nah... I'm not having it.

[TonySoprano]

the plan is for it to sizzle out by songkran. its all simply posturing. i will bet money that the reds walk away willingly before songkran.

they have done the required damage. more and more, its all coming out into the open. he is continuing to apply the pressure. what is his endgame, i am not sure.

Edited April 1, 2009 by TonySoprano

[LooseCannon]

From the channelnewsasia report:

"The government obtained a court injunction late Tuesday ordering the protesters not to obstruct access to Government House, but around 2,000 Thaksin supporters remained camped outside the building the next morning."

This seems a pathetically small number, maybe when it increases to 20,000 & they remain for an extended period of time the govt. should start to get worried. Currently just an irritant.

From most reports the demonstrations countrywide seem to have a fairly piss-poor attendance.

Disclaimer: I do not support PAD/Democrats/Thaksin/Red Shirts or any other Thai political organization.

[bartender100]

Any idea when the airport might be closed, i need another extend trip

[neverdie]

This is alot like 'Groundhog Day'

[somluck]

A good start will be to return Thaksin his money

[neverdie]

A good start will be to return Thaksin his money

Now thats bound to raise some attention .....I guess they should also return his 'rank' to the thai police....afterall thats where alot 'thugs' originate or fester from.

[somluck]

A good start will be to return Thaksin his money

Now thats bound to raise some attention .....I guess they should also return his 'rank' to the thai police....afterall thats where alot 'thugs' originate or fester from.

Thy should also overturn all the dubious court convictions, not asking for a pardon but to quash all the charges and convictions. That would be a step in the right direction

[neverdie]

^ yes I forgot hes done nothing wrong, terrible what they've done to him

[Artisi]

A good start will be to return Thaksin his money

Now thats bound to raise some attention .....I guess they should also return his 'rank' to the thai police....afterall thats where alot 'thugs' originate or fester from.

Thy should also overturn all the dubious court convictions, not asking for a pardon but to quash all the charges and convictions. That would be a step in the right direction

and rush him back to Thailand so as to get the country out of trouble and back on its feet once again - and at the same time get the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas to make early appearences this year.

[Pierrot]

Now thats bound to raise some attention .....I guess they should also return his 'rank' to the thai police....afterall thats where alot 'thugs' originate or fester from.

and rush him back to Thailand so as to get the country out of trouble and back on its feet once again - and at the same time get the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas to make early appearences this year.

It has become pointless to have a rational dialog on TV it becomes blatantly obvious that a lower life form has invaded TV. Oddly enough some of the moderators seem to condone this new breed of TV members.

I stopped posting after realizing that I was becoming angry too often while participating in threads. Apparently I lack the capacity to communicate with wack jobs. The trolls have won the battle and I really don't care enough to fight back, considering that TV supports them.

I understand and empathize. I've had very similar thoughts and feelings.

So agree with you SJ !!!!

[somluck]

^ yes I forgot hes done nothing wrong, terrible what they've done to him

Thailand will never move forward as long as both camps are at loggerheads. National reconciliation will never happen if they persist in persecuting Thaksin on trumped up charges.

Give the man back his money, drop all charges against him, let him return home and if he is still interested in politics then he maybe he can lead the opposition. Come election time and let the Thai people decide.

[daveb1]

I am not taking any sides here, but it does seem to me that its a strange type of democracy that when ever you don’t agree with the results of an election you try and bring down the elected government!

[somluck]

I am not taking any sides here, but it does seem to me that its a strange type of democracy that when ever you don't agree with the results of an election you try and bring down the elected government!

Welcome to Thailand! To sum it up...

The PAD brought down successive elected government and even insisted on their choice of PM. The courts then disbanded the party in power and convicted most of its MPs banning them from politics. They then change the constitution to give an unfair advantage to the other side. The military then pressured MPs to switch side so that the side supported by them can form a coalition and be the govenment.

[neverdie]

So agree with you SJ !!!!

I bet you think your clever, obtaining quotes from other threads & moving them to this topic.

Priceless that YOU of all people actually make this comment.

[Koo82]

"The situation now is beyond negotiation," protest leader Jatuporn Prompan said. "Since we want to topple the government how can we talk with them? It's too late and useless."

If Khun Thaksin tells us to stop, we won't listen to him. We must fight with Abhisit and those behind his back. They are not the party having most voices. Peua Thai is still the biggest party chosen by us. We did not vote for Democrat Party.

Abhisit feels no shame really. Not a nice move to become PM with help from visible and invisible hands for

- Knocking a democratically elected party by a coup or because PM cooked on tv.

- Making retroactive laws to punish things happened in the past, dissolve TRT Party, ban 111 members, dissolve again People Power Party and ban more.

- Army people at top instructed politicians to switch votes in Parliament House to Abhisit.

[Koo82]

I am not taking any sides here, but it does seem to me that its a strange type of democracy that when ever you don't agree with the results of an election you try and bring down the elected government!

The PAD brought down successive elected government and even insisted on their choice of PM.

PAD did not bring down any party like they think.

They protested since Khun Thaksin was PM and finally got help from invisible hands to use violence in Bangkok for 3 months.

Parties of the poor were down because of a coup and a coup in disguise.

Sondhi in early March made me laugh on floor when he said on AStv that Democrat Party considers PAD secret wife .

[Koo82]

We have supports from many police and soldiers, their wives and families, college students, Thais overseas, workers, farmers, company employees, lawyers, teachers and even night club dancers. We will not listen to Khun Thaksin if he tells us to stop.

Edited April 2, 2009 by Koo82

[Pierrot]

So agree with you SJ !!!!

I bet you think your clever, obtaining quotes from other threads & moving them to this topic.

Priceless that YOU of all people actually make this comment.

I believe those quotes to be relevant to this thread, what's wrong with that ?

[Pierrot]

We have supports from many police and soldiers, their wives and families, college students, Thais overseas, workers, farmers, company employees, lawyers, teachers and even night club dancers. We will not listen to Khun Thaksin if he tells us to stop.

Who is "We" ?

I understand the police can’t forget the humiliation they suffered from the "yellows" but, beside Thaksin, who support them ?

Edited April 2, 2009 by Pierrot

[ernest1966]

I have no idea about current or previous politics in Thailand, and to be honest I don't care as I will never be able to vote, so why worry ?

All I do know is I saw the current PM on Aljazeera and I took an instant dislike to him. He had the same smug, self satisified smirk on his face throughout the whole interview as that other f***head Tony Blair.

Some people you just want to pound into the ground till your fists bleed. I don't trust the current PM, he is just a toad.

Anyway, politics. They're all b"st"rds, same as estate agents, bankers and solicitors.

Ernest

[scorecard]

The Abhisit government is not illegal!

If you wanna discuss illegal governments then lets talk about the two times Taxsin won landslide vistories through massive vote buying. And there's plenty of evidence of this, including numerous comments on this webboard.

The opening comment of this subject says 'embattled' pm. Rubbish, he's not embattled at all, this is not a correct comment.

Will the red shirts win next week and overthrow the government. No chance in hel_l. Do you really think the anti-taxsin masses won't react if the red shirts have many more paid and unaware followers next week? Just wait and see.

And, Taxsin has recently made lots of comments about illegal coups / the military illegally getting involved in politics in 2006, then this week he has tried to instigate a coup to overthrow the Abhisit government. No credibility or constistence in anything this fugitive criminal says.

[jbowman1993]

It's illegal. - Cite your legal evidence, with the appropriate laws that support your claim

You can frame it any way you want to. It's shit, and Taksin should be allowed to take his proper post back, or at least let the Thais vote him back in again for the hundreth time. I've never seen such jealousy of a man. Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy.Jeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz. - Yes, I am incredibly jealous of the convicted fugitive from justice.

Go ahead and tell me you're not jealous, jealous mf's. - Not Jealous

Go ahead and tell me how stupid you think my post is you jealous mf's. - Its quite stupid, you're absolutely correct.

Tell me how childlike it is you jealous mf's. - You are doing that job well enough, no reason for me to state the obvious.

They pulled the stupid coup while he was away making Thailand a better trading partner and trying to bring in more jobs here for fcuks sakes. - Lets totally ignore the fact that he was planning a violent crackdown of protestors the following day, as an excuse to assume absolute control. It's easier that way.

Yes, I've been here over a decade and have Thai friends, - well, they are some lucky folks, to be sure.

and the few that don't like Taksin (spell his name right at least, spanky) are the ones that are rich hi-so's that are jealous of him too, and angry because they can't get their hands in his pie because he keeps giving money to poor people !!!! shit, what's he thinking ???? helping out the poor people???? they might actually advance a little and then be a threat to the Bkk thai who are in their penthouses. - LOL, if you can name one rich hi-so that would have anything to do with your stunted intellect, drop his name so we can verify.

Vote buying???? not that shit again. Yes, he's helped alot of people, but guess what smart ass, you can't find not even ONE FKING PERSON who has recieved money from Taksin for a vote. - I can name several. PM me and Ill provide you with their contact details. Including several members of my immediate family. On second thought, I don't think think I'd like having them talk with a crazy person, forget I mentioned it.

Yes, he backed OTOP, yes he made provincial loans available to farmers, yes he has given away everything from pigs to fire extinguishers away in villages. SO F'ING WHAT???? - Exactly, so f'ing what. That is never a criticism leveled against him. It was the corruption he built into those programs, and the fact that he and his friends made those programs virtually worthless, by stealing most of the money. Its not the idea of helping people that most have a problem with, it was the fact that he said he helped people, but stole like crazy while no one was looking.

Nuf' said. - You are absolutely right. Its time to stop talking.

Edited April 3, 2009 by jbowman1993

[slapout]

With the number of new member over the past few weeks who seem to have such a high regard for tackey and his past political/business escapades, it brings to mind people who hire PR firms to further their own agenda. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but when you attempt to sway other people/groups and or debate with others, homework needs to be done, thus presenting true, rational facts. Otherwise some of the people may consider it propaganda, brainwashing or just plane bull sh.t.

[Pierrot]

With the number of new member over the past few weeks who seem to have such a high regard for tackey and his past political/business escapades, it brings to mind people who hire PR firms to further their own agenda. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but when you attempt to sway other people/groups and or debate with others, homework needs to be done, thus presenting true, rational facts. Otherwise some of the people may consider it propaganda, brainwashing or just plane bull sh.t.

Your point being ?

Your own words : " homework needs to be done, thus presenting true, rational facts. Otherwise some of the people may consider it propaganda, brainwashing or just plane bull sh.t."

[Pierrot]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said he and his government are ready to hold talks in order to ease political tension caused by ongoing red shirt protests and series of phon-ins by ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/03...cs_30099587.php

Abhisit said Friday that however the move would base mainly on the national interest. (From the Nation ... )

Edited April 3, 2009 by Pierrot