ManU In Decline?

[ffaarraanngg]

Evertons success this season is down to the good job he done there.

Give him 200 million and he will be a good manager again.

[Chicog]

He won as a visiting manager to Old Trafford which is more than Moyesie ever managed

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[nev]

I think Martinez has proven himself already in the Premiership myself. Smart move by Everton. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I don't think whether or not he has proven himself in the Premiership was the question. The question was, has he proven himself at Everton? I don't think he has... yet. A great start but what will a great start mean if in the second half of the season they drop away. Not a great deal. For what it's worth, i hope that doesn't happen.

The loan players are keeping Everton up there with Martinez, they move on Everton don't have the funds to replace them. lets face it Lukaku should be back at Chelsea he is one of the best strikers in the league.

[BangrakBob]

I think Martinez has proven himself already in the Premiership myself. Smart move by Everton. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I don't think whether or not he has proven himself in the Premiership was the question. The question was, has he proven himself at Everton? I don't think he has... yet. A great start but what will a great start mean if in the second half of the season they drop away. Not a great deal. For what it's worth, i hope that doesn't happen.

The loan players are keeping Everton up there with Martinez, they move on Everton don't have the funds to replace them. lets face it Lukaku should be back at Chelsea he is one of the best strikers in the league.

Dunno Nev they've got some good young players, the likes of Coleman and Barkley.

Admittedly that Spanish lad on loan might be missed, but Lukaku is a bit hot and cold really.

Edited January 8, 2014 by BangrakBob

[BangrakBob]

Thoughts from Andeh an OT steward…

[StevieH]

I think Martinez has proven himself already in the Premiership myself. Smart move by Everton. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I don't think whether or not he has proven himself in the Premiership was the question. The question was, has he proven himself at Everton? I don't think he has... yet. A great start but what will a great start mean if in the second half of the season they drop away. Not a great deal. For what it's worth, i hope that doesn't happen.

The loan players are keeping Everton up there with Martinez, they move on Everton don't have the funds to replace them. lets face it Lukaku should be back at Chelsea he is one of the best strikers in the league.

Dunno Nev they've got some good young players, the likes of Coleman and Barkley.

Admittedly that Spanish lad on loan might be missed, but Lukaku is a bit hot and cold really.

martinez is getting more out of players than moyes did. barkley's the prime example, who moyes refused to play apparently. moyes is utterly unproven whichever way you look at it. the best he was is steady. it was never a safe pair of hands.

[redrus]

Moyes is in no way responsible for the midfield, that was Fergies issue and one he should have rectified 5/6 years ago.

He's inherited a team of old timers, young hopefuls and a few bloody idiots that Fergie should have got rid of instead of persisting with time and time again......

Moyes was always gonna find it tough, I'll be here with my open mind though, you lads carry on....

redrus

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[mrtoad]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

[carmine]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

Heres another United fan that seems to be seeing things very clearly.

Next game is massive for Moysie. Don't think its helping him much having Ferguson watching over in the stands but there you go......

[smokie36]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

Heres another United fan that seems to be seeing things very clearly.

Next game is massive for Moysie. Don't think its helping him much having Ferguson watching over in the stands but there you go......

Fergie will be back in the dugout by February.

[StevieH]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

[carmine]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

Tend to agree with you. How can they sack him? This situation could have a real knock on effect with regards the length of contracts offered to managers in the future.

What on earth were the Glaziers doing offering a six year contract in this instance?

[StevieH]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

Tend to agree with you. How can they sack him? This situation could have a real knock on effect with regards the length of contracts offered to managers in the future.

What on earth were the Glaziers doing offering a six year contract in this instance?

trusting ferguson i guess. must have been a weird conversation though, as he set out to persuade them that a manager who had never won anything at all and never managed in the champions league was a safer pair of hands than a mourinho or a klopp or an ancelotti or whoever.

[carmine]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

Tend to agree with you. How can they sack him? This situation could have a real knock on effect with regards the length of contracts offered to managers in the future.

What on earth were the Glaziers doing offering a six year contract in this instance?

trusting ferguson i guess. must have been a weird conversation though, as he set out to persuade them that a manager who had never won anything at all and never managed in the champions league was a safer pair of hands than a mourinho or a klopp or an ancelotti or whoever.

You are making the assumption the the Glaziers had even heard of those managers!!

[alfieconn]

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

Tend to agree with you. How can they sack him? This situation could have a real knock on effect with regards the length of contracts offered to managers in the future.

What on earth were the Glaziers doing offering a six year contract in this instance?

trusting ferguson i guess. must have been a weird conversation though, as he set out to persuade them that a manager who had never won anything at all and never managed in the champions league was a safer pair of hands than a mourinho or a klopp or an ancelotti or whoever.

You are making the assumption the the Glaziers had even heard of those managers!!

It does make you wonder exactly how much these foreign owners actually know about football !

Edited January 9, 2014 by alfieconn

[smokie36]

Come on Nads....you must be finished with the redecorating by now!

[rixalex]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

Tend to agree with you. How can they sack him? This situation could have a real knock on effect with regards the length of contracts offered to managers in the future.

What on earth were the Glaziers doing offering a six year contract in this instance?

trusting ferguson i guess. must have been a weird conversation though, as he set out to persuade them that a manager who had never won anything at all and never managed in the champions league was a safer pair of hands than a mourinho or a klopp or an ancelotti or whoever.

A lot was made of Moyes' lack of experience in the Champion's League, but not sure what more another manager would have done than top the group. A long way to go of course but can only judge him for the job done so far right.

FA Cup was a failure. It's a competition however that we for some reason have tended to struggle in for some time now. Going out as early as we did was bad though.

Premier League hasn't been good, but teams are still quite tightly bunched. String a few victories together and it's feasible to climb quite a bit.

League Cup, for what it's worth, a home victory away from getting to Wembley.

Don't get me wrong, things do look a bit bleak at the moment, but of course they would do on the back of three defeats, however there is still stuff to salvage from this season and if Moyes manages to, I think it can still turn into an acceptable first post Fergie season. People just have to start lowering their expectations a bit.. something I believe they would have had to have also done were Mourinho, Klopp or Ancelotti in charge.

[carmine]

Come on Nads....you must be finished with the redecorating by now!

Last we'll see of that dude mate....the pennies finally dropped. They finally get it...Dave's totally and utterly out of his depth. He's a slightly better version of Sam Alladyce and i don't feel remotely sorry for him baring in mind the contract he has in his lawyers safe. He'll make millions out of total failure and thats nice work if you can get it.

[smokie36]

Come on Nads....you must be finished with the redecorating by now!

Last we'll see of that dude mate....the pennies finally dropped. They finally get it...Dave's totally and utterly out of his depth. He's a slightly better version of Sam Alladyce and i don't feel remotely sorry for him baring in mind the contract he has in his lawyers safe. He'll make millions out of total failure and thats nice work if you can get it.

Nah he'll be back as soon as they win a game....or by the end of March....whichever comes first.

[nev]

Come on give Mr red a break, he is in bangkok leading the red shirts and cannot access the internet

[jellydog]

All the above being said and I agree with nearly all of it, United would be in a much less embarrassing position if RVP had been available. You could make an argument that SAF might have been only slightly further up the table last year if he had lost RVP for an extended period. Outside of on again off again Rooney, United's striker force without RVP is just not the quality you need. Welbeck and Chicharito just aren't the players a club needs to challenge for the title. Add in the woeful midfield which is worse than last year with Giggs having finally fallen off the cliff. Then the very inconsistent back four, Ferdinand nearly done and Vidic on his way out. Smalling, a model of inconsistency.

Add in the mistakes Moyes has made on and off the pitch and United is right where they ought to be.

[rixalex]

All the above being said and I agree with nearly all of it, United would be in a much less embarrassing position if RVP had been available. You could make an argument that SAF might have been only slightly further up the table last year if he had lost RVP for an extended period. Outside of on again off again Rooney, United's striker force without RVP is just not the quality you need. Welbeck and Chicharito just aren't the players a club needs to challenge for the title. Add in the woeful midfield which is worse than last year with Giggs having finally fallen off the cliff. Then the very inconsistent back four, Ferdinand nearly done and Vidic on his way out. Smalling, a model of inconsistency.

Add in the mistakes Moyes has made on and off the pitch and United is right where they ought to be.

Generally agree with that. RVP gained us a lot of points last season. Without them things would have been different for sure. This season he started off slower and then he got injured. Add to that, Welbeck and Chico have lacked sharpness. Chico especially.

I'll accept that the manager's mistakes have accounted for some of the lost points, but not a lot. Don't think our current position would be an awful lot different whoever was in charge.

[rott]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

"Eighth best team"?? Shome mistake shurely H.

No doubt you can explain.

[StevieH]

I agree with what redrus said, the midfield has been an issue for sometime prior to Moyes arriving. However, there does appear to be unhappiness in the camp, and a number of players look like they are on the way out. Certainly Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani will not be missed. I'm not necessarily sure about letting Evra and Vidic go at this point, but can understand why they may want to move on.

I haven't been impressed with the way United have set themselves up in games, and some of the selcetions are crazy. The backroom staff IMO is out of its depth as well, and thats Moyes fault. There also seems to be a raft of injuries, and there are whisperings of complaints about Moyes and his training methods. Throw in the transfer circus of the summer, and so far his musings over the last week, and I am far from impressed.

I still don't think he has as long as he thinks to get this sorted.

i still really don't see how they sack him this season. 6-year deal, massive payoff, huge upheaval again, not to mention the sheer quantity of egg on the faces of ferguson and the glazers. he does look simply catastrophically out of his depth though, and that's ferguson's fault without question. if moyes were italian or spanish or french and the manager of the eighth best team in any of those countries' leagues there is no way on earth he would have got the man united job. ferguson seems to have picked him simply because he's scottish, not because of any actual ability or experience. but it would be a monumental climbdown to admit failure and sack him within his first season.

"Eighth best team"?? Shome mistake shurely H.

No doubt you can explain.

over the moyes tenure at everton they were probably about the eighth best team in england overall. not that complicated was it?

[carmine]

Apparently Bergerac has been sent out to look for Mr Ed

Watch this space for updates on his whereabouts......

[StevieH]

David Moyes nominated for Premier League manager of month

Manchester United boss David Moyes is among the nominees for the Barclays Premier League manager of the month award for December.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25670678

[DMC1]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Robbie Savage on who should go from the squad. A total of 12 players & you have to say he's not far off the mark!

[mrbojangles]

David Moyes nominated for Premier League manager of month

Manchester United boss David Moyes is among the nominees for the Barclays Premier League manager of the month award for December.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25670678

He's definitely manager of the month for me. Apart from City, nobody has given me more enjoyment this season, than Moyes and the excellent job he's doing at United. Particularly this last month

[nev]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Robbie Savage on who should go from the squad. A total of 12 players & you have to say he's not far off the mark!

I have to agree with savage he has it pretty well spot on, hope moyes see's the same and ships out a few and gets some new faces in.

[rixalex]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Robbie Savage on who should go from the squad. A total of 12 players & you have to say he's not far off the mark!

I have to agree with savage he has it pretty well spot on, hope moyes see's the same and ships out a few and gets some new faces in.

Surprised about Buttner. He looks good to me. I'd keep Valencia for sure as well - his ability to move back into defensive winger makes him useful - and possibly keep Young too. Would like to see what he can do without injury and with a run in the side. On the proviso he cuts out the diving! Probably keep Smalling too. Prone to mistake recently but I think he's shown enough quality. The rest, fair enough. Surprised about keeping Evra. Think we should probably get rid before his career really tails away.

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