A father has told a court he was only doing his duty as a Muslim by handing out leaflets calling for gay people to be executed.

Kabir Ahmed, 28, said he handed a leaflet called Death Penalty? to a policeman and stuffed them through letterboxes across Derby because he was spreading the word of God as taught by Islam.

He said: 'My intention was to do my duty as a Muslim, to inform people of God’s word and to give the message on what God says about homosexuality.'

Accused: Kabir Ahmed, left, and Umar Javed, right, are on trial along with three other men accused of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation

Married Ahmed, who has a nine-month-old daughter, is on trial with four other men at Derby Crown Court charged with inciting hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation, the first prosecution of its kind since legislation came into force in March 2010.

At the opening of the trial last week jurors were shown the Death Penalty? leaflet, which shows an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose and says that homosexuality is punishable by the death penalty under Islam.

The leaflet states: 'The death sentence is the only way this immoral crime can be erased from corrupting society and act as a deterrent for any other ill person who is remotely inclined in this bent way.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1jeSntseQ

• Kabir Ahmed, 28, tells court he couldn't 'just stand by and watch somebody commit a sin'
  
• Five men face first prosecution for inciting hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation since law came into force
  
• Leaflet called Death Penalty? said: 'The death sentence is the only way this immoral crime can be erased from corrupting society'
  

Morons. Dangerous morons.

And they live about 10 miles away from me...

Send them to Iran where they'll feel at home.

Unusual for the Mail to print a story like this....

This obsession with taking a shot at the Daily Mail in each topic when it is linked is just silly. Most of you Brits don't like it, we get it already. However, they supply some good fodder for OTB.

As far as this particular story goes, as a non-Brit, am I to believe that the Guardian, Independent, or Telegraph wouldn't print a story about a group of people passing out leaflets calling for the execution of gays because they people doing it happen to be Muslim? Somehow only the DM would print such a story - because they are racist or something? Shouldn't they also be homophobic as well and therefore approve of the message? Or maybe the DM just made the whole thing up?

As far as this particular story goes, as a non-Brit, am I to believe that the Guardian, Independent, or Telegraph wouldn't print a story about a group of people passing out leaflets calling for the execution of gays because they people doing it happen to be Muslim? Somehow only the DM would print such a story - because they are racist or something? Shouldn't they also be homophobic as well and therefore approve of the message? Or maybe the DM just made the whole thing up?

Guardian: http://www.guardian....e?newsfeed=true

Independent: http://www.independe...ed-6290701.html

Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...rn-or-burn.html

The Times printed it too but it's behind a paywall so you can't read it without a sub.

And they live about 10 miles away from me...

Knock on their door and run away.

FAST!

The Daily Mail can be relentless on some subjects however the content can be excellent too. I stopped buying it though as every other headline was a stupid pejorative question such as " Are we all going to die of bird flue? ".

On the pther hand they do have a point, the introduction of Sharia Law tribunals is and was a disgrace, ( on a side note, the Jewish faith also has a similar tribunal system in place in the UK ).

I thought the point of the Magna Carta and the thousand year struggle for the Rule of Law was to ensure that we all live under one law??

These exceptions based upon " religious sensitivities " will come back and haunt the UK.

The Daily Mail can be relentless on some subjects however the content can be excellent too. I stopped buying it though as every other headline was a stupid pejorative question such as " Are we all going to die of bird flue? ".

On the pther hand they do have a point, the introduction of Sharia Law tribunals is and was a disgrace, ( on a side note, the Jewish faith also has a similar tribunal system in place in the UK ).

I thought the point of the Magna Carta and the thousand year struggle for the Rule of Law was to ensure that we all live under one law??

These exceptions based upon " religious sensitivities " will come back and haunt the UK.

I don't think that adherence to the Shariah law exempts you from the criminal law. However, some people apparently prefer to live according to their own cultural norms rather than those of their host nation. For example, while living in a muslim country, I continued to have only one wife, and to drink alcohol. The Muslim country, like the UK, was a tolerant place where diversity was supported. I never had any civil disputes that required arbitration, though I am sure that if could settle the disputes amicably, without resort to the local courts, I could have resorted to whatever arbiter was acceptable to both parties.

I don't think that Shariah law encourages, or even allows you to preach hatred against your neighbour, regardless of who he may be, but in any case the men in question fell foul of the UK criminal law and were rightly prosecuted. I don't really see it as any different from the prosecution of neo-nazi hatemongers, but I sometimes worry that simpletons reading that newspaper may accept statements by nutters as an accurate summary of the teachings of Islam

SC

As far as this particular story goes, as a non-Brit, am I to believe that the Guardian, Independent, or Telegraph wouldn't print a story about a group of people passing out leaflets calling for the execution of gays because they people doing it happen to be Muslim? Somehow only the DM would print such a story - because they are racist or something? Shouldn't they also be homophobic as well and therefore approve of the message? Or maybe the DM just made the whole thing up?

Guardian: http://www.guardian....e?newsfeed=true

Independent: http://www.independe...ed-6290701.html

Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...rn-or-burn.html

Thank you.

The Daily Mail can be relentless on some subjects however the content can be excellent too. I stopped buying it though as every other headline was a stupid pejorative question such as " Are we all going to die of bird flue? ".

On the pther hand they do have a point, the introduction of Sharia Law tribunals is and was a disgrace, ( on a side note, the Jewish faith also has a similar tribunal system in place in the UK ).

I thought the point of the Magna Carta and the thousand year struggle for the Rule of Law was to ensure that we all live under one law??

These exceptions based upon " religious sensitivities " will come back and haunt the UK.

I don't think that adherence to the Shariah law exempts you from the criminal law. However, some people apparently prefer to live according to their own cultural norms rather than those of their host nation. For example, while living in a muslim country, I continued to have only one wife, and to drink alcohol. The Muslim country, like the UK, was a tolerant place where diversity was supported. I never had any civil disputes that required arbitration, though I am sure that if could settle the disputes amicably, without resort to the local courts, I could have resorted to whatever arbiter was acceptable to both parties.

I don't think that Shariah law encourages, or even allows you to preach hatred against your neighbour, regardless of who he may be, but in any case the men in question fell foul of the UK criminal law and were rightly prosecuted. I don't really see it as any different from the prosecution of neo-nazi hatemongers, but I sometimes worry that simpletons reading that newspaper may accept statements by nutters as an accurate summary of the teachings of Islam

SC

In general, religion wouldn't be a bad thing if the extremist followers (not just the one in the OP) could exchange the whole "kill thy neighbor" for "live and let live". I'm agnostic but still believe that faith is a powerful thing that can really help people get through trying times. "Faith" in this context does not necessarily mean believing in "God". Why some have to use faith to go kill others is something I don't get. Isn't God supposed to be the final judge? Leave it up to him.

The guy was doing nothing wrong - in his view and the view of a couple of hundred million others.

The Koran, like the Christian bible, states that homosexuality is a crime against God.

This guy was just disseminating knowledge.

The Koran, and therefore Sharia law, condemn this act (homosexuality) as a serious crime punishable by death. The guy in the OP was just making people aware of that fact.

How can the truth of a statement be contested. How can the dissemination of that truth be contested?

The guy was doing nothing wrong - in his view and the view of a couple of hundred million others.

The Koran, like the Christian bible, states that homosexuality is a crime against God.

This guy was just disseminating knowledge.

The Koran, and therefore Sharia law, condemn this act (homosexuality) as a serious crime punishable by death. The guy in the OP was just making people aware of that fact.

How can the truth of a statement be contested. How can the dissemination of that truth be contested?

Whether he was doing something "wrong" or not depends on the view point of the individual listener. The truth is that the Koran (like the Bible) "says" that homosexuality is wrong. It does not mean that it is a truth that homosexuality is wrong.

He did not disseminate the truth, he disseminated an opinion. Whether or not this opinion is backed up by one religion or another is irrelevant, as the legal system supersedes religious law in secular country like the UK.

The guy was doing nothing wrong - in his view and the view of a couple of hundred million others.

The Koran, like the Christian bible, states that homosexuality is a crime against God.

This guy was just disseminating knowledge.

The Koran, and therefore Sharia law, condemn this act (homosexuality) as a serious crime punishable by death. The guy in the OP was just making people aware of that fact.

How can the truth of a statement be contested. How can the dissemination of that truth be contested?

Whether he was doing something "wrong" or not depends on the view point of the individual listener. The truth is that the Koran (like the Bible) "says" that homosexuality is wrong. It does not mean that it is a truth that homosexuality is wrong.

He did not disseminate the truth, he disseminated an opinion. Whether or not this opinion is backed up by one religion or another is irrelevant, as the legal system supersedes religious law in secular country like the UK.

I had assumed Humphrey was being sarcastic.

Of course, he could be a trouble-making stirrer...

SC

The guy was doing nothing wrong - in his view and the view of a couple of hundred million others.

The Koran, like the Christian bible, states that homosexuality is a crime against God.

This guy was just disseminating knowledge.

The Koran, and therefore Sharia law, condemn this act (homosexuality) as a serious crime punishable by death. The guy in the OP was just making people aware of that fact.

How can the truth of a statement be contested. How can the dissemination of that truth be contested?

Whether he was doing something "wrong" or not depends on the view point of the individual listener. The truth is that the Koran (like the Bible) "says" that homosexuality is wrong. It does not mean that it is a truth that homosexuality is wrong.

He did not disseminate the truth, he disseminated an opinion. Whether or not this opinion is backed up by one religion or another is irrelevant, as the legal system supersedes religious law in secular country like the UK.

I had assumed Humphrey was being sarcastic.

Of course, he could be a trouble-making stirrer...

SC

I don't know... The internet (not just ThaiVisa) lacks a "sarcasm" emoticon. I'm sure Humphrey will clarify.

The guy was doing nothing wrong - in his view and the view of a couple of hundred million others.

The Koran, like the Christian bible, states that homosexuality is a crime against God.

This guy was just disseminating knowledge.

The Koran, and therefore Sharia law, condemn this act (homosexuality) as a serious crime punishable by death. The guy in the OP was just making people aware of that fact.

How can the truth of a statement be contested. How can the dissemination of that truth be contested?

Whether he was doing something "wrong" or not depends on the view point of the individual listener. The truth is that the Koran (like the Bible) "says" that homosexuality is wrong. It does not mean that it is a truth that homosexuality is wrong.

He did not disseminate the truth, he disseminated an opinion. Whether or not this opinion is backed up by one religion or another is irrelevant, as the legal system supersedes religious law in secular country like the UK.

I had assumed Humphrey was being sarcastic.

Of course, he could be a trouble-making stirrer...

SC

Humph has made his feelings on homosexuality quite clear in Bedlam before. I think you can assume that he wasn't being sarcastic.

The guy was doing nothing wrong - in his view and the view of a couple of hundred million others.

The Koran, like the Christian bible, states that homosexuality is a crime against God.

This guy was just disseminating knowledge.

The Koran, and therefore Sharia law, condemn this act (homosexuality) as a serious crime punishable by death. The guy in the OP was just making people aware of that fact.

How can the truth of a statement be contested. How can the dissemination of that truth be contested?

Whether he was doing something "wrong" or not depends on the view point of the individual listener. The truth is that the Koran (like the Bible) "says" that homosexuality is wrong. It does not mean that it is a truth that homosexuality is wrong.

He did not disseminate the truth, he disseminated an opinion. Whether or not this opinion is backed up by one religion or another is irrelevant, as the legal system supersedes religious law in secular country like the UK.

I had assumed Humphrey was being sarcastic.

Of course, he could be a trouble-making stirrer...

SC

Humph has made his feelings on homosexuality quite clear in Bedlam before. I think you can assume that he wasn't being sarcastic.

That would be even funnier, if he did not walk amongst us; and if it were not for the risk of simpletons reading his comments and believing in them

SC

Send them to Iran where they'll feel at home.

...or Arkansas.

No homosexual has done me any harm or as far as I know, wished me any harm unlike religious zealots. I know who I would rather be around.

Homosexual religious zealots need not apply, mind you.

Have they stopped with stoning?

Have they stopped with stoning?

Apparently stoning is for adulterous women. If you're gay they push a wall on you and crush you to death.

No homosexual has done me any harm or as far as I know, wished me any harm unlike religious zealots. I know who I would rather be around.

Homosexual religious zealots need not apply, mind you.

plus 1

Have they stopped with stoning?

Apparently stoning is for adulterous women. If you're gay they push a wall on you and crush you to death.

what would happen if you are an adulterous lesbian !

Have they stopped with stoning?

Apparently stoning is for adulterous women. If you're gay they push a wall on you and crush you to death.

Never head that before! Leviticus?

Have they stopped with stoning?

Apparently stoning is for adulterous women. If you're gay they push a wall on you and crush you to death.

Never head that before! Leviticus?

No, Ridiculous.

I guess the idea behind it is that one stone at a time wasn't good enough?

Have they stopped with stoning?

Apparently stoning is for adulterous women. If you're gay they push a wall on you and crush you to death.

what would happen if you are an adulterous lesbian !

I'm not quite sure about their policy on lesbians. If they've got any sense they'll leave them alone. It's not wise to <deleted> with a lesbian...

Have they stopped with stoning?

Apparently stoning is for adulterous women. If you're gay they push a wall on you and crush you to death.

Both are similar - stoning a woman in Saudi is usually done by backing a large dump-truck filled with rocks to the execution spot and then off-loading (quickly or sloly according to the driver's whim). In Afghanistan it is still done the old way by tossing rocks at here - participation sport rather than passive viewing.

Yes, Endure - you are correct. The guy was disseminating what he believed to be the word of God, a fundamental truth - in his opinion.