Australia Catches Another Boatload Of Asylum Seekers Off Its Coast

[Scott]

Information about the situation in the country of origin is also available. If the claim of persecution is reasonable, it can be checked out with the many NGO's, UN, and other agencies in the country. For example, if someone is a Christian or Bahai from Iran or Afghanistan, they may well have a claim.

Glad you mentioned Christian persecution , I wonder how many Afghan Christians are seeking "Asylum" in Australia after all they have a good case being that Afghanistan is #2 in the world (after North Korea) for the persecution of Christians ,personally at a rough guess I would say Zero ,for the simple reason the Boat trip with 50 or so Afghan Muslims would be quite risky not withstanding the leaking hulk they was travelling in .

The term I used was For example. By the way, I have met people from Afghanistan who were Christian. Let's expand it to say people who are non-Muslim. If you don't like that example, then let's try people who are gay, or believed to be gay.

[cdnvic]

Settle down please. Some inflamatory comments have been removed.

[Colin Yai]

Information about the situation in the country of origin is also available. If the claim of persecution is reasonable, it can be checked out with the many NGO's, UN, and other agencies in the country. For example, if someone is a Christian or Bahai from Iran or Afghanistan, they may well have a claim.

Glad you mentioned Christian persecution , I wonder how many Afghan Christians are seeking "Asylum" in Australia after all they have a good case being that Afghanistan is #2 in the world (after North Korea) for the persecution of Christians ,personally at a rough guess I would say Zero ,for the simple reason the Boat trip with 50 or so Afghan Muslims would be quite risky not withstanding the leaking hulk they was travelling in .

The term I used was For example. By the way, I have met people from Afghanistan who were Christian. Let's expand it to say people who are non-Muslim. If you don't like that example, then let's try people who are gay, or believed to be gay.

Quite True Scott ,I could not think of a better example than a persecuted Afghan Christian, being that of the 50 Countrys Listed that actively practice Christian persecution Afghanistan is #2 after North Korea .

[Crushdepth]

They will continue to flock in whilst the government is standing there with all the goodies, free housing, jobs, medical all the things that the Australians have to work for and most could only dream of. Everything thing is free for those that want to gatecrash and hey the aussie taxpayer will even pay for the phone call back home to all the mates to come over and live like parasites

Allan Jones tell you that did he?

Wh ois Allan Jones?

He's kind of like Jatuporn, except he works in radio.

[samran]

Ah, the anti-immigrant immigrants running for cover of their 'non-immigrant' visa title to prove that they aren't immigrants. Quite amusing. All the more so, given that you'd desperately love to actually have an 'immigrant' visa, though for the purposes of this thread, that is an inconvenient truth.

Face it fella's you move countries, you are an immigrant. Stop splitting hairs.

As for critiquing websites? My lordy, where do you start with a website called 'hot heads' which is purely an opinion site which shows no data to back up its own argument. Shall I just hand out the tin-foil hats now? Or should I ask for you to justify the claim that this is all a muslim conspiracy for starters?

Why not Produce some data to prove him wrong ?

Argue with an anti-muslim zealot? So many better uses of my time. But thanks for asking anyway.

If they had the internet 30 years ago, he would have written the same diatribe - about Asians. What is the point?

But if you want to hang out with the tinfoil hat brigage, that is your perogative.

Edited June 17, 2012 by samran

[samran]

Kath & Kim was far more crieditable.

For you, Kath and Kim probably was a true to life fly on the wall story of your life?

[Steely Dan]

Ah, the anti-immigrant immigrants running for cover of their 'non-immigrant' visa title to prove that they aren't immigrants. Quite amusing. All the more so, given that you'd desperately love to actually have an 'immigrant' visa, though for the purposes of this thread, that is an inconvenient truth.

Face it fella's you move countries, you are an immigrant. Stop splitting hairs.

As for critiquing websites? My lordy, where do you start with a website called 'hot heads' which is purely an opinion site which shows no data to back up its own argument. Shall I just hand out the tin-foil hats now? Or should I ask for you to justify the claim that this is all a muslim conspiracy for starters?

Why not Produce some data to prove him wrong ?

Argue with an anti-muslim zealot? So many better uses of my time. But thanks for asking anyway.

If they had the internet 30 years ago, he would have written the same diatribe - about Asians. What is the point?

But if you want to hang out with the tinfoil hat brigage, that is your perogative.

As usual some posters resort to ad-hominim attacks and source policing in lieu of any facts. Better to deny the existence of a problem and shoot the messenger then do something about it for fear of being oneself labelled a bigot, redneck, xenophobe, zealot etc etc. This is the squalid and disingenuous way the lib-left try to derail any discourse and champion an ideology which is anything but liberal.

[Colin Yai]

Ah, the anti-immigrant immigrants running for cover of their 'non-immigrant' visa title to prove that they aren't immigrants. Quite amusing. All the more so, given that you'd desperately love to actually have an 'immigrant' visa, though for the purposes of this thread, that is an inconvenient truth.

Face it fella's you move countries, you are an immigrant. Stop splitting hairs.

As for critiquing websites? My lordy, where do you start with a website called 'hot heads' which is purely an opinion site which shows no data to back up its own argument. Shall I just hand out the tin-foil hats now? Or should I ask for you to justify the claim that this is all a muslim conspiracy for starters?

Why not Produce some data to prove him wrong ?

Argue with an anti-muslim zealot? So many better uses of my time. But thanks for asking anyway.

If they had the internet 30 years ago, he would have written the same diatribe - about Asians. What is the point?

But if you want to hang out with the tinfoil hat brigage, that is your perogative.

Of course this is the usual ploy of the hard left (I am hard right and proud of it too) call every one an Anti Muslim Bigot when they disagree with your point of view ,when you cannot produce evidence to prove them wrong ,I reality all it is is a "cop out" when some one has you on "check mate" so you resort to personal name calling by trying to discredit them with insults, Pitiful really Edited June 17, 2012 by Colin Yai

[chooka]

Ah, the anti-immigrant immigrants running for cover of their 'non-immigrant' visa title to prove that they aren't immigrants. Quite amusing. All the more so, given that you'd desperately love to actually have an 'immigrant' visa, though for the purposes of this thread, that is an inconvenient truth.

Face it fella's you move countries, you are an immigrant. Stop splitting hairs.

As for critiquing websites? My lordy, where do you start with a website called 'hot heads' which is purely an opinion site which shows no data to back up its own argument. Shall I just hand out the tin-foil hats now? Or should I ask for you to justify the claim that this is all a muslim conspiracy for starters?

Why not Produce some data to prove him wrong ?

Argue with an anti-muslim zealot? So many better uses of my time. But thanks for asking anyway.

If they had the internet 30 years ago, he would have written the same diatribe - about Asians. What is the point?

But if you want to hang out with the tinfoil hat brigage, that is your perogative.

Personally I do not believe this has anything to do with race or religion. I couldn't care less if it was a boatload of Poms, Yanks, Kiwis, muslims, budhists, Christians or Jews it doesn't matter. My beef is the way people are gatecrashing Australian shores with a list of demands and the lies and deceit they use. If you want ot come to Australia go through the normal channels and wait inline with the other refugees who queued up before you. Most Australians are pro Multiculturalism but are anti boatpeople.

Edited June 17, 2012 by chooka

[simple1]

This conversation is going nowhere, Let's agree to disagree and move on unless anyone has a constructive response.

[chooka]

Kath & Kim was far more crieditable.

For you, Kath and Kim probably was a true to life fly on the wall story of your life?

Personal attacks definately do not strengthen your argument but a sign of defeat. No offence taken tho it shows I have made a point.

[Colin Yai]

Ah, the anti-immigrant immigrants running for cover of their 'non-immigrant' visa title to prove that they aren't immigrants. Quite amusing. All the more so, given that you'd desperately love to actually have an 'immigrant' visa, though for the purposes of this thread, that is an inconvenient truth.

Face it fella's you move countries, you are an immigrant. Stop splitting hairs.

As for critiquing websites? My lordy, where do you start with a website called 'hot heads' which is purely an opinion site which shows no data to back up its own argument. Shall I just hand out the tin-foil hats now? Or should I ask for you to justify the claim that this is all a muslim conspiracy for starters?

Why not Produce some data to prove him wrong ?

Argue with an anti-muslim zealot? So many better uses of my time. But thanks for asking anyway.

If they had the internet 30 years ago, he would have written the same diatribe - about Asians. What is the point?

But if you want to hang out with the tinfoil hat brigage, that is your perogative.

As usual some posters resort to ad-hominim attacks and source policing in lieu of any facts. Better to deny the existence of a problem and shoot the messenger then do something about it for fear of being oneself labelled a bigot, redneck, xenophobe, zealot etc etc. This is the squalid and disingenuous way the lib-left try to derail any discourse and champion an ideology which is anything but liberal.

The way I look at the situation is, the Left are being played like fiddles ,Just the same as Neville Chamberlain was just before WW 2 broke out and of course it took a hard right guy like Churchill to stop us being "enslaved" Edited June 17, 2012 by Colin Yai

[Scott]

There is more misinformation on this thread than there is correct information.

1. As has been said, people arriving and requesting asylum is within the law. They are not illegal until they are determined not to be a refugee.

2. No one has mentioned about how the boat people impact in the legal migration system. At least those that are allowed to remain without being refugees. In many western countries they are not counted against the official number of allowed immigrants, so they are not queue jumpers or gatecrashers.

3. The pivotal question is why, if they are determined not to be refugees, are they allowed to remain. Repatriating screened-out asylum seekers is not a nice thing, but it happens all the time. At that point, they are not legal in the country. That is an internal situation which Australia needs to deal with.

[Colin Yai]

This conversation is going nowhere, Let's agree to disagree and move on unless anyone has a constructive response.

Yeah its going no where or is it? I respectfully requested that Samran answer my question eluding to the link I posted in my post #46 and to produce Independent evidence to counteract it, so far all I have seen is blatant insults as to my thoughts (and others) on "race" which in truth carry as much water as a car park puddle

[edwinclapham]

I would recommend that all posters here watch the SBS series 'Go Back To Where You Came From'.

It does not provide answers to the situation but it does give another perspective to the situation.

You can call boat people illegal immigrants or Queue jumpers, or whatever term you want.

The fact is they are a minuscule proportion of the illegals who stay in Australia. Most illegals come on tourist or work visas and simply overstay.

Where as Australians has your sense of a fair go gone to, condemning people for simply wanting a better life for themselves?

Australia needs more people who want to come here. More than just skilled migrants and business migrants and those that can buy their way into Australia. We need a variety of people who want to work hard and want to make a better life for themselves. It is the way most of us or our forebears came here, through migration of some type.

So some people take a different route to get here than the official channels? More power to their courage and determination I say.

I fully applaud what you are saying in many respects .. I agree totally with the UN refugee convention...

but as a migrant to your shores along with thousands annually we have had to go through the hoops to get here and quite rightly so.

It can be a lengthy and expensive process, the actual visa, the numerous AFP and overseas police checks, medicals, references etc. Apart from Medicare we are not able to access any benefits other than child benefit for the first two years, in other words , we are not to be a drain on the Australian system and rightly so!

Obtaining PR and eventually citizenship still required further checks and to be frank it is pretty galling to see the likes of Captain Ahmed and his ilk descend on Australia and basically take the "michael" out of the system... In fact it makes me wonder what exactly ASIO are doing to protecting Australia's borders!

The very fact that that Four Corners were interviewing PR relatives on shore who were awaiting news of their nearest and dearest coming in through dubious channels would in my book place them into the conspiracy of "people smuggling"!

Yet again how has this situation managed to occur .. http://www.abc.net.a...12/s3501264.htm

Yes I do have a problem with economic migrants coming through, likewise with Vietnamese children being sent unaccompanied. The latter will have to safeguarded by the tax payer until they reach of age when a decision is made! Didnt the Vietnam war finish in 1975?

I enjoy and am very proud seeing the genuine cases arrive in Australia, the Black Hmongs, the Bhutanese etc etc who have integrated well into the various communities but I think every case has to be proven rather than a "given right"!

I still advocate for off shore processing with stringent controls on the conditions and processing times.

Edited June 17, 2012 by edwinclapham

[Colin Yai]

There is more misinformation on this thread than there is correct information.

1. As has been said, people arriving and requesting asylum is within the law. They are not illegal until they are determined not to be a refugee.

2. No one has mentioned about how the boat people impact in the legal migration system. At least those that are allowed to remain without being refugees. In many western countries they are not counted against the official number of allowed immigrants, so they are not queue jumpers or gatecrashers.

3. The pivotal question is why, if they are determined not to be refugees, are they allowed to remain. Repatriating screened-out asylum seekers is not a nice thing, but it happens all the time. At that point, they are not legal in the country. That is an internal situation which Australia needs to deal with.

May be you have not read in full the link in my post #46 ,if you have not I suggest you do so, having read it just what part of the legality or otherwise do you agree or not agree with ?

[Colin Yai]

http://thelastgringo...ions-of-europe/ Do you people out there not realize that the World due to Internet is a very small place ,having said that are the Aussies somehow "out of order " for showing genuine concern ,looking at what has undeniably happened in Europe and the US and rightfully want no part of it, this is not right wing anti Islamic "bigotrism" "racism" or whatever name you care to call it , but having viewed what is happening in far off shores want no part of it ,having seen that the "great experiment" has been a dismal failure , and of course any one who thinks it been a success , with my usual "respect" please produce a link which plainly says that there is not a huge problem with Immigration to a Country that has a different culture and religion . I await reply's Edited June 17, 2012 by Colin Yai

[Scott]

The link you provide, Colin, is to an extremist website and is not a credible source of information.

As I have said before, people who arrive and are not accorded refugee status after a screening process, and who do not meet some other reason to be resettled, should be returned to their country of origin. This is best for everyone. It protects the rights of refugees and it is best for non-refugees NOT to spend years in detention centers away from their homes and families.

[steven100]

The issue with the current government is there is a minority bunch of 'do gooders' in the country who oppose turning away refugees.

There agenda is purely political and if you told them that there will be a processing centre built in there street they would object. They are nothing more than morons and hypocrits !!

Why is it that Bangladesh can turn away a boat load of refugees but australia cannot ... ?

The Howard Government was the best government that Australia ever had in dealing with these boat people .. he inforced the policy that no boat people would make it into Australia and subsequently they would all be processed off shore on Christmas island and Nairu ...

Australia is now seen as a soft touch for these people smugglers and I hold absolutely NO pity for there stupidity and there do gooder policy ... !!!

I am absolutely sick and tired of governments who put rules and policies in place just so it won't go against some minority group or fraction of society.

Now the result is that tax payers have to fork out more to cover the cost of housing , food , education, etc .. ect ... etc ... to the tune of millions of dollars and the boat people smugglers are laughing all the way to the bank as well ... they get there dollars per refugee and while Australia is so stupid in letting boats arrive it will continue to happen.

You don't have to be Einstein to figure that out ... Australia made there bed then they can lay in it !

JMHO.

[Colin Yai]

The link you provide, Colin, is to an extremist website and is not a credible source of information.

As I have said before, people who arrive and are not accorded refugee status after a screening process, and who do not meet some other reason to be resettled, should be returned to their country of origin. This is best for everyone. It protects the rights of refugees and it is best for non-refugees NOT to spend years in detention centers away from their homes and families.

Yeah That,s fair comment Scott ,so if its not credible it should be quite easy to produce an independent link to discredit the Govt facts and figures that are displayed in the link then. Edited June 17, 2012 by Colin Yai

[samran]

You blokes sure have a love for the ominous turn of phrase! Bullet in the head (thanks for that Chooka - it was rolled gold that one) and 'check mate'.

As someone who works in oil and gas, I've been called a few things, but raving lefty is a new one. Had a great chuckle at that. Might print it out and stick it up in the pool room.

Colin - given my suggestion at watching that SBS doco has been pooh poohed, it isn't going to do me much use in giving you other sources of info is it?

Anyhoo, I must be off. Jumping on a 20hr flight to Texas in a little bit. Amongst other things while there, having dinner with one of the Bush clan, you know THOSE Bush's, a political family hardly known for their lefty views.

While I am away I'm sure you fellas will keep the home fire's burning, keeping Australian shores safe from the marauding hordes from the North.

Raving lefty - funny.

[samran]

http://thelastgringo...ions-of-europe/ Do you people out there not realize that the World due to Internet is a very small place ,having said that are the Aussies somehow "out of order " for showing genuine concern ,looking at what has undeniably happened in Europe and the US and rightfully want no part of it, this is not right wing anti Islamic "bigotrism" "racism" or whatever name you care to call it , but having viewed what is happening in far off shores want no part of it ,having seen that the "great experiment" has been a dismal failure , and of course any one who thinks it been a success , with my usual "respect" please produce a link which plainly says that there is not a huge problem with Immigration to a Country that has a different culture and religion . I await reply's

You with your decade in Thailand would be one example I guess. But then again, you say despite a decade living in Thailand, you aren't an immigrant, so I guess you don't count as a success story then do you?

[Colin Yai]

http://thelastgringo...ions-of-europe/ Do you people out there not realize that the World due to Internet is a very small place ,having said that are the Aussies somehow "out of order " for showing genuine concern ,looking at what has undeniably happened in Europe and the US and rightfully want no part of it, this is not right wing anti Islamic "bigotrism" "racism" or whatever name you care to call it , but having viewed what is happening in far off shores want no part of it ,having seen that the "great experiment" has been a dismal failure , and of course any one who thinks it been a success , with my usual "respect" please produce a link which plainly says that there is not a huge problem with Immigration to a Country that has a different culture and religion . I await reply's

You with your decade in Thailand would be one example I guess. But then again, you say despite a decade living in Thailand, you aren't an immigrant, so I guess you don't count as a success story then do you?

The Official title bestowed on me by the Thai Government is that I am an "ALIEN" this is plainly printed on the top of the form for my 90 day report when I report that I'm still living at the same address for another 90 days ,so I abide by the "rules" as its my choice to live here ,as to you asking personal questions to whether my life here is a success or not, with respect I will reply quite simply , <deleted> Has it do do with you?

[samran]

http://thelastgringo...ions-of-europe/ Do you people out there not realize that the World due to Internet is a very small place ,having said that are the Aussies somehow "out of order " for showing genuine concern ,looking at what has undeniably happened in Europe and the US and rightfully want no part of it, this is not right wing anti Islamic "bigotrism" "racism" or whatever name you care to call it , but having viewed what is happening in far off shores want no part of it ,having seen that the "great experiment" has been a dismal failure , and of course any one who thinks it been a success , with my usual "respect" please produce a link which plainly says that there is not a huge problem with Immigration to a Country that has a different culture and religion . I await reply's

You with your decade in Thailand would be one example I guess. But then again, you say despite a decade living in Thailand, you aren't an immigrant, so I guess you don't count as a success story then do you?

The Official title bestowed on me by the Thai Government is that I am an "ALIEN" this is plainly printed on the top of the form for my 90 day report when I report that I'm still living at the same address for another 90 days ,so I abide by the "rules" as its my choice to live here ,as to you asking personal questions to whether my life here is a success or not, with respect I will reply quite simply , <deleted> Has it do do with you?

I guess if you say "I am not an immigrant" enough times, then you can make yourself believe anything. Lordy knows you'd want to classed the same as the hoarding masses that you so like to vilify.

But if it walks like one, talks like one then.....

[samran]

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As for multiculturalism - well there is a big island a bit to the south of you. It is called Australia. Multiculturalism has worked pretty well there over the past 60 years or so. But seeing you are a paid up member of the tin-foil hat brigade where your day isn't complete without a good conspiracy theory, I guess we will have to disagree on that one.

Rather funny and ironic that you are slavishly holding onto the legal wording of your visa. But given that legal wording is what you find acceptable to rely on - from governments no less - lets look at what the Australian governments legal obligations are in this case:

Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as amended by its 1967 Protocol (the Refugee Convention), a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:

• race
  
• religion
  
• nationality
  
• membership of a particular social group or
  
• political opinion.
  

Refugee Convention, Australia has agreed to ensure that people who meet the United Nations definition of refugee are not sent back to a country where their life or freedom would be threatened. This is known as the principle of non-refoulement.

Australia also has obligations not to return people who face a real risk of violation of certain human rights under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Convention Against Torture and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.These obligations also apply to people who have not been found to be refugees.

In addition, while asylum seekers and refugees are in Australian territory (or otherwise subject to Australian law), the Australian Government has obligations under various international treaties to ensure that their human rights are respected and protected. These treaties include the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Convention Against Torture and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. These rights include the right not to be arbitrarily detained.

http://www.hreoc.gov...um_seekers.html

No doubt, you will have issues with this.

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[edwinclapham]

It all boils down to identification of the refugee does it not. Hence the "non refoulement" principle is hard to determine initially is it not?

Do you think that off shore processing in say Malaysia could be more of a deterrent to destroying your ID?.. in terms of the length of stay within a detention centre?

[samran]

It all boils down to identification of the refugee does it not. Hence the "non refoulement" principle is hard to determine initially is it not?

Do you think that off shore processing in say Malaysia could be more of a deterrent to destroying your ID?.. in terms of the length of stay within a detention centre?

That is the problem though isn't it? None of this is simple, and it certainly isn't as clear cut as the tin-foil hatters seem to think.

My family helped employ loads of VN and Cambodian refugee's through the 80's. None of them arrived with any papers. Refugees don't simply have a passport and are ready to go. That isn't to say they weren't genuine refugees.

In the case of the current lot, it is pretty common knowledge that given they don't have the correct papers from their government (I mean they ARE being persecuted by them) they do get false documents to make it into Indo or Malaysia. Indo and Malaysia's interest is simply to have these people pass through as quickly as possible. Though they can claim asylum in these countries, they have no access to work rights, so there is little wonder they don't want to hang around there.

If there was a government somewhere between Australia and the source of the refugees that did offer work rights, you'd want to assume that the more genuine of the refugees stopped there. But there isn't, so they won't. (Though if you again believe the tin-foil hatters, they are all one caliphite so they'd be happy as in those places given they are all the same...towel heads you know.....)

On the way to OZ, they are pretty much advised by the smugglers to destroy their documents. It isn't as if they are getting offical advice from an Dept of Immigration person are they?

I'd much prefer Australia bite the bullet and say 'look we are a sucessful country, we are a safe country and people are going to want to come here over nearly all other places'. And set up, in say Malaysia and Indo offshore processing, so you can actually establish a 'queue' which so many people get their panties wet over. It would stop people risking the boat ride, but would open it up to the conservative side of politics making scare campaigns of laying out a welcome mat. Also, you might find Indo and Malaysia have problems with setting up these camps on their territories...a fact convientely overlooked by most.

At the end of the day, I am pragmatic. I don't choose to go through life where my default position is to treat someone like a prick, especially if prima face, they are in need. Added to this pragmatism is that places like Australia are crying out for labour, so why not get these people out in the community as quickly as possible to pay their way?

If these guys truely are economic refugees, then logic would dictate that if the economy goes belly up, then the flow of boat people and refugees would stop. According to the doomsayers, that will happen next month when the mining tax and the carbon price kick in.

Edited June 17, 2012 by samran

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed or edited.

[Colin Yai]

It all boils down to identification of the refugee does it not. Hence the "non refoulement" principle is hard to determine initially is it not?

Do you think that off shore processing in say Malaysia could be more of a deterrent to destroying your ID?.. in terms of the length of stay within a detention centre?

That is the problem though isn't it? None of this is simple, and it certainly isn't as clear cut as the tin-foil hatters seem to think.

My family helped employ loads of VN and Cambodian refugee's through the 80's. None of them arrived with any papers. Refugees don't simply have a passport and are ready to go. That isn't to say they weren't genuine refugees.

In the case of the current lot, it is pretty common knowledge that given they don't have the correct papers from their government (I mean they ARE being persecuted by them) they do get false documents to make it into Indo or Malaysia. Indo and Malaysia's interest is simply to have these people pass through as quickly as possible. Though they can claim asylum in these countries, they have no access to work rights, so there is little wonder they don't want to hang around there.

If there was a government somewhere between Australia and the source of the refugees that did offer work rights, you'd want to assume that the more genuine of the refugees stopped there. But there isn't, so they won't. (Though if you again believe the tin-foil hatters, they are all one caliphite so they'd be happy as in those places given they are all the same...towel heads you know.....)

On the way to OZ, they are pretty much advised by the smugglers to destroy their documents. It isn't as if they are getting offical advice from an Dept of Immigration person are they?

I'd much prefer Australia bite the bullet and say 'look we are a sucessful country, we are a safe country and people are going to want to come here over nearly all other places'. And set up, in say Malaysia and Indo offshore processing, so you can actually establish a 'queue' which so many people get their panties wet over. It would stop people risking the boat ride, but would open it up to the conservative side of politics making scare campaigns of laying out a welcome mat. Also, you might find Indo and Malaysia have problems with setting up these camps on their territories...a fact convientely overlooked by most.

At the end of the day, I am pragmatic. I don't choose to go through life where my default position is to treat someone like a prick, especially if prima face, they are in need. Added to this pragmatism is that places like Australia are crying out for labour, so why not get these people out in the community as quickly as possible to pay their way?

If these guys truely are economic refugees, then logic would dictate that if the economy goes belly up, then the flow of boat people and refugees would stop. According to the doomsayers, that will happen next month when the mining tax and the carbon price kick in.

You don't really believe they flock to OZZ to work do you? ,in the UK its called DHSS in OZZ its known as "Centerlink"

[samran]

You don't really believe they flock to OZZ to work do you? ,in the UK its called DHSS in OZZ its known as "Centerlink"

You seem to believe that they are destinted to be dole bludging islamites out to convert a nation while at the same time not fitting in. All hard to acheive if you are a social outcast with limted means I would have thought.

My experience of people who escape persection, is that they are hungry and want to work. And most of the time they'll do anything.

Do I begrudge them welfare? No.

As said, my default position in life isn't to be Chief Prick no. 1. That role has sufficently been filled by others.

Edited June 17, 2012 by samran