Take your argument to the slaughter houses. It is they who choose how they slaughter the animals.; and they make the decision on commercial grounds, not PC ones.

His meat? Sexist.

Getting really desperate here, aren't you.

Standard English usage; I'd have thought that as you are so anti PC that you would approve of that!

You only mention Halal, why not Kosher as well?

When living in what is known as The Islamic Republic of Dewsbury (yes it really is) I never heard of Kosher butchers. A few examples of animals being slaughtered in streets of Saviletown in the local paper though. I saw a post where you clain they essentially the same. I doubt followers of either side would agree. The Rabbi only needs to have a natter with the blade once a day.

They are the same in as much as the animal must be conscious when slaughtered.

Difference Between Kosher and Halal

First of all lets see the difference in slaughtering of animals in kosher and halal. Though the slaughtering is the same, Jews, who follow kosher, do not pronounce the name of God on each animal they slaughter. They think that it is wasteful to utter the name of god out of context. They only perform prayers on the first and last animal that they slaughter. Muslims who follow halal rituals always pronounce the name of God on each animal that is slaughtered.

(My Emphasis)

So, do you object to Kosher meat as much as you object to Halal?

To be consistent, you must; and your statement

How about non muslim countries slaughter the meat the old fashioned way. Stun the animal senseless, and if your friends want halal, they pay extra

should include "non Jewish countries" and "Kosher" as well.

BTW, the "old fashioned way" did not include stunning the animal first; that's a fairly recent innovation and was introduced to protect abattoir personnel from the death throes of the animal rather than any consideration for the animal itself!

They may not have any Kosher butchers in Dewsbury, but there are plenty in North West London.

Obviously, anyone slaughtering an animal in the street in the UK would be breaking the law and liable to prosecution under the appropriate law.

Police won't act in Dewsbury, don't want to create a "fuss"

That I don't believe; provided it was reported to the police, of course.

Have you a link to the incident(s)? I can't find anything about it in the Dewsbury Reporter.

What about your views on Kosher?

I recall that when I was working in Iran (Shiraz) my six-year-old daughter came running in one evening to tell me that some of her friends had a new pet, a sheep.

We lived in a small kouchie in Shiraz, and all her friends were Irani children from the adjoining kouchies (small streets). It was easy to find her - one bright blond head among twenty-plus black-haired kids.

Anyway, she used to pop in and out of all the houses round about, but for the next week or so after finding this sheep that was the popular house. Then came Hadj (Eid al Adha) and she came rushing in one day just as excited as the first time - 'Daddy, Mummy, Mr xxxx has just killed the sheep! He hung it up in the car-port by it's back legs and cut it's throat!' No tears, no regrets, just another lesson learnt. Within a day or two the incident was forgotten, or rather filed in the subconcious. No problems.

I recall that when I was working in Iran (Shiraz) my six-year-old daughter came running in one evening to tell me that some of her friends had a new pet, a sheep.

We lived in a small kouchie in Shiraz, and all her friends were Irani children from the adjoining kouchies (small streets). It was easy to find her - one bright blond head among twenty-plus black-haired kids.

Anyway, she used to pop in and out of all the houses round about, but for the next week or so after finding this sheep that was the popular house. Then came Hadj (Eid al Adha) and she came rushing in one day just as excited as the first time - 'Daddy, Mummy, Mr xxxx has just killed the sheep! He hung it up in the car-port by it's back legs and cut it's throat!' No tears, no regrets, just another lesson learnt. Within a day or two the incident was forgotten, or rather filed in the subconcious. No problems.

Substitute 'person with black skin' for 'sheep'. Or Jew or homosexual or someone believed to be a witch. No problem?

When I was a lot younger I built a new laboratory for one of the main poultry breeders in the UK.

They took me round the complex to (proudly) show me their whole process. The sequence of preparing the birds for slaughter and packing went in roughly this sequence

1. Hang the bird up by it's neck
2. Spray with a caustic wash
3. Steam the bird clean
4. Mechanically pluck the bird
5. Kill the bird
6. Take it down, gut it and behead it.

The reason for processing the bird live was that it was easier to pluck it live, after steaming, than dead.

That is absolutely horrific. We must have around one hundred chickens, belonging to over a dozen breeds in order to sell the hatching eggs to collectors. There are always surplus males, but if you watch the things hatch out and grow up I defy anyone to kill a bird, even if not wanted for the business. I think if there were no abattoirs then the majority of people would be vegetarians, I'm not even sure I could kill a fish let alone something with warm blood.

When I was a lot younger I built a new laboratory for one of the main poultry breeders in the UK.

They took me round the complex to (proudly) show me their whole process. The sequence of preparing the birds for slaughter and packing went in roughly this sequence

• Hang the bird up by it's neck
• Spray with a caustic wash
• Steam the bird clean
• Mechanically pluck the bird
• Kill the bird
• Take it down, gut it and behead it.

The reason for processing the bird live was that it was easier to pluck it live, after steaming, than dead.

That is absolutely horrific. We must have around one hundred chickens, belonging to over a dozen breeds in order to sell the hatching eggs to collectors. There are always surplus males, but if you watch the things hatch out and grow up I defy anyone to kill a bird, even if not wanted for the business. I think if there were no abattoirs then the majority of people would be vegetarians, I'm not even sure I could kill a fish let alone something with warm blood.

I tend to go via reason myself. Each to their own.

I recall that when I was working in Iran (Shiraz) my six-year-old daughter came running in one evening to tell me that some of her friends had a new pet, a sheep.

We lived in a small kouchie in Shiraz, and all her friends were Irani children from the adjoining kouchies (small streets). It was easy to find her - one bright blond head among twenty-plus black-haired kids.

Anyway, she used to pop in and out of all the houses round about, but for the next week or so after finding this sheep that was the popular house. Then came Hadj (Eid al Adha) and she came rushing in one day just as excited as the first time - 'Daddy, Mummy, Mr xxxx has just killed the sheep! He hung it up in the car-port by it's back legs and cut it's throat!' No tears, no regrets, just another lesson learnt. Within a day or two the incident was forgotten, or rather filed in the subconcious. No problems.

Substitute 'person with black skin' for 'sheep'. Or Jew or homosexual or someone believed to be a witch. No problem?

You obviously have difficulties in differentiating between killing an animal for food and murdering another human being.

That may be your belief, you are presumably a vegan, but most people can tell the difference.

As someone said before, we are omnivores and our bodies are designed to eat and digest meat as well as vegetables; what do you think those sharp teeth are for!

As a character in one of Larry Niven's Ringworld novels said; "How much intelligence does it take to sneak up on a leaf!"

our bodies are designed to eat and digest meat as well as vegetables; what do you think those sharp teeth are for!

Designed? Would you be ever so kind as to expand on that?

I believe designed by evolution and natural selection; other's may believe differently.

I believe designed by evolution and natural selection; other's may believe differently.

Design <> natural selection.