Holiday Extension for ED VISA ?

[Kitsune]

Hello

My friend last year was a bit short of time to reapply for his student visa for a school, after one year study.

He told me, he was advised to apply for a "holiday extension" (not sure of the term) of 30 days that can be granted for a year study, so it would give him time for his new application to be processed.

Also that way, he did not have to loose his ED visa or pay overstay 500B/day.

Is this still valid now ?

What's the proper name for it / to apply, and which form to ask for ?

What time of documents do I need to ask my school (they are clueless about it) ?

Thank you

K

[lopburi3]

Have never heard of any such thing - the only extension for non immigrant visas/extensions without valid reason (not holiday) is 7 days not approved period to get out of Thailand.

[Kitsune]

Have never heard of any such thing - the only extension for non immigrant visas/extensions without valid reason (not holiday) is 7 days not approved period to get out of Thailand.

Here is a picture of his passport page (minus the passport number)

He was between 2 ED visa extension after completing a 9 months course

The dates - from the 7th to the 29th - show an extension of 22 days granted

He told me they say it was a prorate of 30 days per year, as he only did 9 months, he got 22 days extension.

So he definitely got an extension of 22 days.

I am not sure as to what the proper name is but it does exists ...

Anyone knows how it's called ?

[lopburi3]

He received a 30 day extension but 8 day were overstay with a 4,000 baht fine so was deducted from the total?

[lopburi3]

The extension was to complete study so was issued for the time remaking. Extension can be up to one year for education but can be any amount if education ends on a specific date.

[thaiexpat21]

He received a 30 day extension but 8 day were overstay with a 4,000 baht fine so was deducted from the total?

But why and on what basis was the extension granted ?

Edit

Lop

Thanks ........we must have posted at about the same time !

Edited October 18, 2013 by thaiexpat21

[MeowBundit]

He have extension until the date MOE approved him to study, I think.

There is no "holidays" "Christmas" "New Years" and other extensions. The time bomb ticks without clues of holidays.

[Kitsune]

He was fined 1000B for 2 days

He applied for a 22 days extension (instead of 30), granted on the fact he had studied 9 months and not 12

Does anyone has the proper name for it? and which form to ask for ?

Thanks

K

[Kitsune]

Anyone ??

[lopburi3]

All extensions of stay use TM.7 form. And the extension would be for study if ED related and his paperwork must have indicated 22 more days remaining of study. Education extensions are issued "up to one year" at a time - they can be for less if paperwork does not indicate a longer period being allowed.

[Kitsune]

All extensions of stay use TM.7 form. And the extension would be for study if ED related and his paperwork must have indicated 22 more days remaining of study. Education extensions are issued "up to one year" at a time - they can be for less if paperwork does not indicate a longer period being allowed.

As said previously, regarding my friend :He did not pay 4000B but 1000B overstay,

he did not have any remaining time left to study

and the extension was not to study, but granted on "holidays time" granted one month per year studied.

Thank you for your help Lopburi but as you admitted yourself (before I posted the photo), you never heard of this particular extension

Is there anyone that can help ?

[ubonjoe]

At first glance at overstay stamp it appears to be a 4 but is a 1 so it was a 1000 baht fine.

You look the rules for extensions in police order 777/2551 to see if you can find a holiday extension listed. Perhaps it was something the university did on their own by supplying documents to get the additional time by extending the length of his studies.

[Kitsune]

At first glance at overstay stamp it appears to be a 4 but is a 1 so it was a 1000 baht fine.

You look the rules for extensions in police order 777/2551 to see if you can find a holiday extension listed. Perhaps it was something the university did on their own by supplying documents to get the additional time by extending the length of his studies.

Yes my school said they could provide me with papers explaining my application is being processed, but I just need to know what to ask, since they never heard of it ... Also they are so picky at immigration ... You use the wrong wording to an officer in a bad mood and you're in for trouble.

Thank you for the rules of extension, although I could not see anything that describes it.

I tried to call Walen (The school that did it for my friend, no one can answer before Monday)

I lost time since I have been messed around by a previous scam school and lost time renewing my EDvisa (see other post about school extortion for MOE letter ) ...I just don't want to pay overstay ...

I tried to contact other schools they don't seem to know either ...

[onthemoon]

The first stamp is for a fine of THB 1,000 for a two-day overstay.

The second stamp, issued on the same day, is an extension of stay for 22 days. It does not give a reason.

I have never heard of a holiday extension either, at least not in the past 20 years. Would be interesting to see the letter your friend got from the school.

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[thaiexpat21]

I am not sure what the problem is here.

If the OP has an ED visa it can be extended with the correct paperwork supplied by the school.

If the school cannot/will not supply the paper work the options are limited to a 7 day extension , a boarder crossing to secure 15 days or obtaining a tourist visa from a nearby country.

There is no "holiday" extension that I know about.

[Kitsune]

I am not sure what the problem is here.

If the OP has an ED visa it can be extended with the correct paperwork supplied by the school.

If the school cannot/will not supply the paper work the options are limited to a 7 day extension , a boarder crossing to secure 15 days or obtaining a tourist visa from a nearby country.

There is no "holiday" extension that I know about.

Look at the photo I attached, my friend's passport shows he got 22 days extension at the end of his ED visa

[ubonjoe]

It has been established that there is no extension of stay called a holiday one.

I suspect that what happened was that your friend had paid for a years course of study but his extension came up short of that date so they were able to give him the documents required up to that date. There was a long weekend holiday last year at about that time so perhaps somebody at school said they were giving him a holiday extension.

[thaiexpat21]

As others have observed it is not possible from the attached photo to determine exactly why the extension was given.

Why not ask your friend ? You need to know what papers were given by the school and what justification was given for the extension.

"Holiday" would not be a valid reason and if such a reason was given I would expect immigration to grant a maximum of 7 days.

[onthemoon]

I am not sure what the problem is here.

If the OP has an ED visa it can be extended with the correct paperwork supplied by the school.

If the school cannot/will not supply the paper work the options are limited to a 7 day extension , a boarder crossing to secure 15 days or obtaining a tourist visa from a nearby country.

There is no "holiday" extension that I know about.

Look at the photo I attached, my friend's passport shows he got 22 days extension at the end of his ED visa

Right, but certainly not for a holiday.

[Kitsune]

I am not sure what the problem is here.

If the OP has an ED visa it can be extended with the correct paperwork supplied by the school.

If the school cannot/will not supply the paper work the options are limited to a 7 day extension , a boarder crossing to secure 15 days or obtaining a tourist visa from a nearby country.

There is no "holiday" extension that I know about.

Look at the photo I attached, my friend's passport shows he got 22 days extension at the end of his ED visa

Right, but certainly not for a holiday.

Well that's how my friend explained it to me ; For one full year study you are allowed 1 month holiday. He got 22 days because he only studied 9 months.

It sounds odd to me too ... That's why I wanted to check with you before asking for "holidays" at Immigration bureau

Edited October 20, 2013 by Kitsune

[thaiexpat21]

I think you should check with immigration because it would seem no one here has ever heard of this "holiday" extension.

[Kitsune]

I think you should check with immigration because it would seem no one here has ever heard of this "holiday" extension.

That's it: the "holiday" word does not rime with immigration, not on ED visa.

I am afraid the officer'd think I'm taking the piss ...

[Maestro]

The reason for the extension of stay is usually indicated in the passport and in this case it is stamped in Thai as follows:

นร.รร.สอนภาบา

สิริน สุขุมวิท

As near as I can figure this out, the extension is for language study at a school.

I have never seen it mentioned before, but the concept of an extension for "school vacation" – 30 days per year of study, proportionally less for a shorter study period – makes sense. It is not written into the set of rules we know as Police Order 777/2551 and Immigration Bureau Order 305/2551, and I wonder if it is perhaps in immigration's internal guidelines or whether in this case it was granted as an exception on a discretionary basis (eg school has a good reputation with the immigration office) to tide the student over between two study contracts.

Interesting to know that this has happened. Thank you, Kitsune, for posting it.

[onthemoon]

The reason for the extension of stay is usually indicated in the passport and in this case it is stamped in Thai as follows:

นร.รร.สอนภาบา

สิริน สุขุมวิท

As near as I can figure this out, the extension is for language study at a school.

I have never seen it mentioned before, but the concept of an extension for "school vacation" – 30 days per year of study, proportionally less for a shorter study period – makes sense. It is not written into the set of rules we know as Police Order 777/2551 and Immigration Bureau Order 305/2551, and I wonder if it is perhaps in immigration's internal guidelines or whether in this case it was granted as an exception on a discretionary basis (eg school has a good reputation with the immigration office) to tide the student over between two study contracts.

Interesting to know that this has happened. Thank you, Kitsune, for posting it.

You are right, I didn't see that on my cellphone but can confirm now on my PC that the reason for the extension (i.e. language student) is indeed stamped.

It's สอนภาษา though, not สอนภาบา.

Edited October 20, 2013 by onthemoon

[Maestro]

Thanks. I was hoping for somebody who reads Thai to to come and help out.

[onthemoon]

Thanks. I was hoping for somebody who reads Thai to to come and help out.

You're welcome.

[Kitsune]

The reason for the extension of stay is usually indicated in the passport and in this case it is stamped in Thai as follows:

นร.รร.สอนภาบา

สิริน สุขุมวิท

As near as I can figure this out, the extension is for language study at a school.

I have never seen it mentioned before, but the concept of an extension for "school vacation" – 30 days per year of study, proportionally less for a shorter study period – makes sense. It is not written into the set of rules we know as Police Order 777/2551 and Immigration Bureau Order 305/2551, and I wonder if it is perhaps in immigration's internal guidelines or whether in this case it was granted as an exception on a discretionary basis (eg school has a good reputation with the immigration office) to tide the student over between two study contracts.

Interesting to know that this has happened. Thank you, Kitsune, for posting it.

Thank you so much for paying attention and noticing the Thai writing !

I would have never thought of that !

Bless your cotton socks !

Yes the school was Walen (good rep) they escorted him to immigration and did everything for him. Walen has their own staff within immigration offices using immigration's computer and accessing their data... So yes, very much in good rep with immigration.

My school is not as good, but do you think ...

1/ I can pull it out on my own without a school helping

and 2/ should I bring/show this copy of my friend's passport to immigration just in case they offer me just 7 days (I need more time)?

Cheers !

K

Edited October 21, 2013 by Kitsune

[thaiexpat21]

"Yes the school was Walen (good rep) they escorted him to immigration and did everything for him. Walen has their own staff within immigration offices using immigration's computer and accessing their data... So yes, very much in good rep with immigration. "

Now that is news !

I am sure "Walen" will be delighted by this public exposure

[onthemoon]

You'll be fine getting an extension if your school supports you with the paperwork. That's all.

[Maestro]

...

My school is not as good, but do you think ...

1/ I can pull it out on my own without a school helping

and 2/ should I bring/show this copy of my friend's passport to immigration just in case they offer me just 7 days (I need more time)?

...

1. Absolutely impossible without the school's help.
2. Would be of no practical help because your friend's passport does not indicate specifically that it was a "vacation" extension.

If you are in the same situation as your friend was, ie in between two study courses and you have already signed up for the new course but the school needs more time to get the necessary documents together and your school has a good reputation with immigration, it is worth a try but as I said you can only do it with the school's help.

So, if you have already been learning Thai at a school and doing extensions every 90 days you know that you need some documents from the school. The Immigration Bureau Order 305/2551, to which I linked earlier in this topic says this about documents (highlighting in blue is mine):

2.9 In the case of enrollment in a private educational institution: Each permission shall be granted for a period certified by the educational institution, which shall not exceed one year.

1. Application form

2. Copy of applicant’s passport

3. Copy of evidence of permission to establish the educational institution issued by the relevant government agency

4. Letter of confirmation and request for a temporary stay, issued by the educational institution, which shows detailed information about the applicant’s years of education, level of curriculum, and educational achievement

5. Confirmation letter issued by a government agency at the departmental level or by the Provincial Governor in charge of that particular institution (except in the case of enrollment in an international school or in the case of higher education)

I have never seen these documents as I never needed a study extension but I am quite sure that not only the document under 2.9 and 4 have to come from your school but also the other three documents have to be requested and obtained by the school for your application or are copies of documents issued by government agencies to the school at earlier times. One document, though, the letter from the MOE, has to fresh for every application for extension.

For your friend's application for extension of stay, the request to grant a "vacation" extension will obviously have been included in the school's letter listed under No. 4. Here is where the school's reputation comes into play: if the school is known to issue positive attendance records to students who never or hardly ever attend classes it will obviously have a bad reputation and I would rate the chances of a student from such school of getting a "vacation" extension as slim to non-existent.